it happens every year htaem...its nothing out of the ordinary..its a standard match that happens every year..the gaa doesnt have to cater to a small minority of people who cant simply record or pause the match....what about all the other supporters?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 25/02/2015 13:30:23    1696698

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i agree mesamis...would only change things for major events which are rare like a major soccer tournament involving ireland or the rugby world cup or us in the olympic finals or whatever...the 6 nations is on every year

Yes and so are the Gaa championships but it doesn't reduce their importance, at least to me it doesn't.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 25/02/2015 13:31:19    1696699

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it happens every year htaem...its nothing out of the ordinary..its a standard match that happens every year..the gaa doesnt have to cater to a small minority of people who cant simply record or pause the match....what about all the other supporters?

Again the Gaa championships happen every year but that doesn't diminish it's importance but anyway that aside, I'm not interested in that argument.

I'd imagine it isn't just a small minority of Gaa people who will want to watch the Rugby live on Sunday, I mean the RTE viewing figures for Ireland's 6 nations games support the exact opposite of the 'small minority' idea. Anyway all I'm really is yes, the Gaa doesn't have to cater for people who also want to catch the Rugby but what harm if they do move certain games to be played 1 hour earlier?

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 25/02/2015 13:47:27    1696705

The only ones whinging about the clash as far as I can see are people who will not be at either game (I'm assuming now that Kerry/Dubs is on TG4), but will be sitting at home with a remote control, which takes all of .15 seconds to consummate the miraculous change from one game to the other. And maybe even catch some of the English racing in between times (YES! Shock horror, racing does not come to a standstill for the English rugby team!!!).

I will be at home, and will be mainly watching Dubs but will be checking on my wager on the Red Rose during breaks at the appropriate times :-)

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 25/02/2015 13:59:16    1696712

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MesAmis

Thing is though I get the impression that you don't like Rugby or at least you're pretty indifferent to it, which is fine, each to their own, but I think a lot of Gaa supporters will want to the the Rugby on Sunday so there's no harm in moving a few games if the county boards agree to it. Whether or not it's a rare and exceptional event doesn't matter to those who like both Gaa and Rugby as I and plenty of other people do.


but there is a harm htaem as changing a match time during the week of the game
causes transport disruption for people who are actually attending the game
and like the scenario this weekend would leave a lot of people who booked the 10am train out of pocket
and why would that be fair so as people who are staying at home can watch two sports from their armchair.
it would put supporters off travelling to away games in future which will lead to decrease in attendances

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/02/2015 14:04:21    1696717

htaem
I dont think fabio is saying because its on every year its not important to people who are interested in it
hes saying six nations clashes with national league for the last number of years since
the six nations became run by television companies and they spread it out over a weekend
liverpool are playing man city at 12 o clock on sunday
im sure theres a big number of gaa supporters country wide who want to watch that game on tv too
you cannot fix scheadules to please other sports events

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/02/2015 14:08:07    1696720

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Thing is though I get the impression that you don't like Rugby or at least you're pretty indifferent to it, which is fine, each to their own, but I think a lot of Gaa supporters will want to the the Rugby on Sunday so there's no harm in moving a few games if the county boards agree to it. Whether or not it's a rare and exceptional event doesn't matter to those who like both Gaa and Rugby as I and plenty of other people do.

I'm fairly indifferent to rugby in that I'm from a place where it doesn't really exist but this point is not really to do with rugby but rather the fact that this type of things always seems to come and people like to have a go at the GAA for it.

I agree that playing games the day Ireland are in the World Cup was ridiculous but I don't think this is comparable. I know you wanna watch the rugby but there will always be clashes with something. You make your choice and watch what you want.

I'm all for accommodating people as much as is possible but at the end of the day with the timing of these games is problematic and I don't think the GAA should be castigated for not switching these game times as I don't think there is a huge need to. Making games earlier on Sun could easily disrupt more people who would attend the game as well.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 25/02/2015 14:11:10    1696725

you are disrupting other people by changing the match..what about them?..my point is that its not a rare occurance like a world cup or whatever would be..it is a minority of people that will be affected..nothing to do with viewing figures..i also like the rugby myself....i am happy to make arrangements so i can watch it and go to my county game..you cant just go around rescheduling sports around other sports just so some people will be inconvenienced...the all ireland final is regularly up against a big soccer match in england...its up to people to make their own decision on what they prefer to do and work around this

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 25/02/2015 14:22:57    1696733

MesAmis

I agree that playing games the day Ireland are in the World Cup was ridiculous but I don't think this is comparable. I know you wanna watch the rugby but there will always be clashes with something. You make your choice and watch what you want.

I know, I understand you have to make choices, the weekends are often jam packed with sport so that's only natural and I don't think the Gaa should be castigated for not moving fixtures, but equally I think don't they should be castigated for moving fixtures.

The Roscommon and Meath county boards decided to move the game 1 hour earlier which I'm personally delighted about and it shouldn't effect travel for us too much. Also I personally prefer earlier games on a sunday anyway because I can soak in more sport but I understand if you have a particularly long journey like many Dublin fans moving the game could be a pain, so we're not really worlds apart here.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 25/02/2015 14:29:14    1696737

hill

but there is a harm htaem as changing a match time during the week of the game
causes transport disruption for people who are actually attending the game
and like the scenario this weekend would leave a lot of people who booked the 10am train out of pocket

For some games it possibly would yes but our game was only moved an hour earlier and Roscommon isn't a million miles away from us and a lot of the journey will be done on the motorway so I can't see our game being moved as any real hassle. However I'm certainly not saying that all the games should be moved but if travel time isn't all that significant for either team then I can't see the harm in coming to a mutual agreement.

As for the Kerry v Dublin game, I'm not suggesting that should be moved an hour forward, but let's say for argument sake it it was, surely to jaysus Irish Rail would allow you to change your ticket or something to that effect? And how many Dublin fans would already have their tickets booked, would it be all that many?

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 25/02/2015 14:40:41    1696742

fabio8

you are disrupting other people by changing the match..what about them

I kinda dealt with this in responses to other posters but just to reiterate, I'm not saying that the county boards are obliged to change starting times or that it's practical or fair for every game. But if two county boards agree to play a game earlier and the journey isn't all that unreasonable for the away team then I don't think they should be criticized for that decision either.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 25/02/2015 14:48:00    1696746

seems like a lot of things would have to be done just so some people can watch a match in a different sport on tv live when they can simply record it...its a simple choice to make..people will honestly complain about the gaa over the littlest things..its like everything they do is magnified compared to anybody else..suppose its biggest so more uproar

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 25/02/2015 14:48:04    1696747

The most interesting cultural clash this weekend will not, unfortunately, be between people wanting to watch Dublin/Kerry and the other football on TG4, but between bar stool soccer and rugby supporters arguing over the screens in pubs the length and breadth of the country!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 25/02/2015 14:52:34    1696750

did i say they should be criticized?..all i said was its not the gaas job to schedule games to suit what some people want to watch on the tv when the fixture is on every single year

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 25/02/2015 14:58:44    1696757

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did i say they should be criticized?..all i said was its not the gaas job to schedule games to suit what some people want to watch on the tv when the fixture is on every single year

I agree with you that isn't their job but if 2 county boards agree to move a game do you think there's any harm in that either?

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 25/02/2015 15:07:08    1696761

if no supporters or players are inconvenienced due to the change then no not at all..why would i?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 25/02/2015 15:22:39    1696768

fabio8

if no supporters or players are inconvenienced due to the change then no not at all..why would i?

Well we're agreed so, good lad.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 25/02/2015 15:31:32    1696774

It is fabio. If you based it per capita it would be the biggest by a country mile.

But even with straight up numbers, even though Dublin is over six times the size of limerick, Limerick clubs have dominated the all ireland league and have produced more professional players than any other County in the last 20 years. In fact at the 2011 world Cup Limerick had more representatives than any other city in the world!

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 25/02/2015 15:36:29    1696778

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The only ones whinging about the clash as far as I can see are people who will not be at either game (I'm assuming now that Kerry/Dubs is on TG4), but will be sitting at home with a remote control, which takes all of .15 seconds to consummate the miraculous change from one game to the other. And maybe even catch some of the English racing in between times (YES! Shock horror, racing does not come to a standstill for the English rugby team!!!).

english racing my *** its diabolical stuff on a sunday over there
navan is on this sunday you should be watching that
maybe the meath venue will move their race meeting to monday to accomadate gaa supporters who want to see it?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/02/2015 17:01:24    1696822

htaem
As for the Kerry v Dublin game, I'm not suggesting that should be moved an hour forward, but let's say for argument sake it it was, surely to jaysus Irish Rail would allow you to change your ticket or something to that effect? And how many Dublin fans would already have their tickets booked, would it be all that many?


you must be joking haha
take it you dont use the owl train too often as iarnrod eireann wouldnt give you a cent back haha.
any dublin supporter travelling by train would be mad not to have booked their ticket over the last few days online
as you get it for half the price in advance
where as on the day its about 70 euro return to killarney
so id imagine anybody going by train has it booked already

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/02/2015 17:07:05    1696830