i dont consider a large element of northern ireland as 1 which represents irish society no..they represent northern irish or british society in my opinion...the question was do the rugby team represent irish society as in the 32 counties..well the answer is no...most of the players are from backgrounds which are nothing to do with the vast majority of irish society

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/02/2015 21:20:40    1696548

TBH I dont know what youre on about talking about Nazis marlon.
If the GAA can reschedule these games they should do it. better for everyone. no downsides to it at all. (..............Nazis???)

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 24/02/2015 21:22:10    1696550

they dont have to reschedule the games..their entitled to do what they want..people can freely choose what they want to do..if they want to see both then make arrangements to ensure they can do so..you cant pander to everybody as you will always end up upsetting somebody especially nowadays

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/02/2015 21:24:34    1696554

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In Limerick anyway rugby is certainly not just people from privilaged backgrounds, its the opposite if anything.. Paul o connell went to ard scoil, a big hurling public school, and is from rural limerick. conor murray is from a massive hurling town, patrickswell and went to munchins, a public school, keith earls is from moyross, a council estate.. I could go on...

Infact all the major limerick rugby schools ie comp, munchins, ard scoil, castletroy are all public schools with prolific gaa teams aswell...
Members of the big clubs like shannon, garryowen young munsters etc are not in upper class areas!

Great and fair play to those working class heroes. Salt of the earth I'm sure ;)

Limerick is not the majority of Ireland though is it?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 24/02/2015 21:34:32    1696561

I never said they have to fabio. I merely said that they should.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 24/02/2015 21:37:35    1696563

some people(those from limerick) seem to think it is

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/02/2015 21:38:12    1696564

joncarter
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TBH I dont know what youre on about talking about Nazis marlon.
If the GAA can reschedule these games they should do it. better for everyone. no downsides to it at all. (..............Nazis???)

It was a clumsy reference to Sophie's choice, trying to distinguish between something you shouldn't have to choose between, and a situation where making a choice shouldn't be that much of an imposition. It was just a response to where you said 'its wrong to make them(people) choose' between the 2. I may have broken Godwins law (sorry internet).

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 24/02/2015 21:41:26    1696566

Its not the majority Mes no but I'm just speaking from what I see which is a diverse rugby playing pool where im from. also limerick is the biggest rugby county in the country..

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 24/02/2015 21:47:22    1696574

why should they?people who are interested in both can simply make arrangements to do so..its not too hard..are you effected by it personally?...it will be a very small minority affected...its unfortunate but these games have to be played and you cant suit everybody

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/02/2015 21:48:12    1696576

Ya I'd agree, Joncarter.. of course they don't have to.. It would just be good to see a bit of common sense. I dont know any type of arrangements that can be made to allow me to watch two matches at the same time fabio...

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 24/02/2015 21:49:20    1696577

is it?...do the numbers back that up?...would imagine dublin is on numbers alone..again i would love to see the irish 23 named for sunday and the schools they attended...the sean o briens of this world are very rare

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 24/02/2015 21:49:25    1696578

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I disagree hill16.
there are plenty of people who support both the GAA and rugby, and its wrong to make them choose.
I think that pride and obstinacy are the main reasons people dont want to move the games.

there are plenty of people who support gaa and liverpool is it wrong to make them choose on sunday too?
no because if you change a fixture you are disrupting a lot of peoples plans just to suit armchair supporters
what about tranpsort like a train for example could have been booked for supporter to make it to a ground for a 2pm throw in
changing a game the week of the match may cost them having already got the ticket.
the fact they are two different sporting bodies is the main reason they dont move games
just like munster didnt move their game that clashed with cork v kilkenny in cork

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/02/2015 21:59:42    1696584

Out of interest , would there be many away fans travelling to their counties games happy with the times being moved. Moving the times helps the armchair supporter watch both games in the comfort of their own home (fair enough their choice). But earlier times just disrupts the plans for any fans travelling on the day of the match.
I know a huge amount of Dubs travelling (myself included) will be leaving that morning and earlir kickoff would make it more awkward. I will still watch the Rugby later , But thats not my priority.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 25/02/2015 08:48:03    1696596

exactly athcliath if an earlier throw in for our game the week of it now was announced it
would leave all the people who booked the 10am train out of pocket

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/02/2015 10:07:44    1696625

A lot of Dubs booked in on the 10am train outta Heuston which gets them into Killarney just in time for throw in for example.

It isn't as simple as some have said on this thread that themes should be switched. I agree that if it makes sense then the GAA should be accommodating if there is something massive happening but a 6 nations rugby match that happens every year isn't one of those.

For the last couple of years people have been going on about this topic but the GAA attendances have held up very well even when they've clashed with the rugby. It'll be the same this weekend I'd imagine.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 25/02/2015 10:33:40    1696634

MesAmis

I agree that if it makes sense then the GAA should be accommodating if there is something massive happening but a 6 nations rugby match that happens every year isn't one of those.

In fairness that's from your point of view Mes, not everybody would agree with that, me included, I find every 6 nations game we're involved in massive once we're still in with a chance of winning the competition and we haven't lost yet. Plus we're playing England, if we were playing England in ping pong a lot of Irish people would consider that massive.

Granted though, I'd also imagine that most of the Dubs making that long trek down (although a lot of Dubs do live in the midlands now aswell so they won't have as far to go, if they're going) are the die hard ones who put Gaa well ahead of the rest and football is a religion in Kerry so I'd say the game will remain fixed for 2.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 25/02/2015 11:47:07    1696653

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I agree that if it makes sense then the GAA should be accommodating if there is something massive happening but a 6 nations rugby match that happens every year isn't one of those.

In fairness that's from your point of view Mes, not everybody would agree with that, me included, I find every 6 nations game we're involved in massive once we're still in with a chance of winning the competition and we haven't lost yet. Plus we're playing England, if we were playing England in ping pong a lot of Irish people would consider that massive.


The point is though that a Six Nations rugby match that happens every year isn't a country stopping event.

Ireland in the World Cup or Euros, some Irish athletes going for an Olympic gold, Irish rugby team in a World Cup Final maybe, they are country stopping events where the GAA should accommodate supporters as much as is feasible and time their games accordingly.

Those events are rare and exceptional. This weekends rugby match is not.

Earlier throw ins will suit some people but won't suit others and I doubt you'll increase or decrease attendance much by switching game times around. The League is always up against the 6 nations games and always will be and it does as well attendance wise when there is a clash as it does when there is not.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 25/02/2015 12:30:17    1696670

I wonder if the rugby forums are full of similar questions for those wanting to catch a National League game as well, somehow i doubt it.
Why is it always the GAA who should accommodate other sports?

Why do they even play rugby on a sunday now? It wasnt that long ago all the games were played at the same time on saturday afternoons.

The answer is because it is to accommodate Sky/BBC and whatever other media outlets cover rugby games who currently dictate the rugby schedule, similar to soccer.

So basically if we start accommodating rugby games then Sky/BBC will be dictating the gaa schedule as well, is that not the case?

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 25/02/2015 12:58:15    1696680

i agree mesamis...would only change things for major events which are rare like a major soccer tournament involving ireland or the rugby world cup or us in the olympic finals or whatever...the 6 nations is on every year

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 25/02/2015 13:15:39    1696687

MesAmis

Thing is though I get the impression that you don't like Rugby or at least you're pretty indifferent to it, which is fine, each to their own, but I think a lot of Gaa supporters will want to the the Rugby on Sunday so there's no harm in moving a few games if the county boards agree to it. Whether or not it's a rare and exceptional event doesn't matter to those who like both Gaa and Rugby as I and plenty of other people do.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 25/02/2015 13:22:43    1696695