24/02/2015 15:36:01
tirawleybaron
County: Mayo
Posts: 303

1696372
Move all the matches to 1:00pm. Then the pubs closest to the stadium can be jammers for the Rugby. Otherwise you will have crowds heading off early if their team is getting well bet.

happens to me a lot.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 24/02/2015 16:01:06    1696381

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 12707

1696343
Yes you are on a soap box. And sorry, but your last post is complete conjecture. You don't know what time the games are at, you don't even know if there are club games being played. Even if there are, cant they be moved also? The fact is if people involved in club games on sunday morning and Dublin or mayo or whoever have a game in Kerry at any stage in the afternoon, 95% of them aren't going down anyway. You know that and so do I.


club games generally throw in at 11pm in most counties
now you also want the county boards to move all club fixtures
sorry but thats madness
people have lives outside of gaa and changing a club fixture list that was set out months ago the week of a game is totaly unfair
to suit the needs of people who wont choose a match to go to or watch unless it doesnt clash with another sport.
yes if involved in a club match on the sunday at 11pm your not going to make it to kerry from dublin
but if the throw in is 2pm you will have more people travel down than you will have at 1pm in throw in
as its harder to make it for 1pm than 2pm travelling that distance and that goes for all counties travelling a far distance.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/02/2015 16:07:28    1696383

Been a Meath man i will be at hyde then watching rugby.
Great to see our cb not as narrow minded as other counties and realize that their supporters might have a interest in other sports.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/02/2015 16:45:09    1696402

hill16no1man
club games generally throw in at 11pm in most counties

I don't think I've ever heard of a club game in mayo throwing in at 11, be it pm or am... So again, you don't have any details to back this up at all.


to suit the needs of people who wont choose a match to go to or watch unless it doesnt clash with another sport.

But they don't need to choose, if people aren't completely bull-headed about trying to include everyone...


yes if involved in a club match on the sunday at 11pm your not going to make it to kerry from dublin
but if the throw in is 2pm you will have more people travel down than you will have at 1pm in throw in

Sorry, but if you are at a game throwing in at 11, then the only guys going down to Kerry are travelling by helicopter to make a game at 2. However, moving the game includes for more people than those with access to a mode of travel that can go from Dublin to Kerry in less than 2 hours, so the lads in helicopters will just have to miss out, unfortunately.

To put it frankly, you are talking nonsense. Moving the game includes far more people, and Id argue it doesnt exclude anyone. The reality is the people who were going to the county game weren't going to club games at all, regardless of you trying to shoe-horn them in, and those same people can now watch the rugby afterwards instead of the two clashing. Makes perfect sense.

as its harder to make it for 1pm than 2pm travelling that distance and that goes for all counties travelling a far distance.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 24/02/2015 17:01:29    1696408

county man
County: Limerick

...The league attendances are relatively small anyways and the league isn't the be all and end all, so no big deal either way, but I remember the Ulster council refusing to move a Donegal vs Derry game I think in 2002 when Ireland were playing Spain in the World Cup. Now that was madness and only a few thousand showed up.

There was also a first round of the league a few years ago between Limerick and Tipperary that clashed with a Munster Heineken Cup game (a quarter final if memory serves). The GAA refused to change the throw in time to cater for this resulting in a crowd of only 1,500 turning up in the Gaelic Grounds - about 3% of capacity.

I remember it mostly for the tag line on the picture in the newspaper the following day showing a handful of people behind one of the goals stating "Limerick fans flock in their tens to watch the opening round of the league". I thought it was pretty witty.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 24/02/2015 17:08:30    1696412

county man
County: Limerick

...The league attendances are relatively small anyways and the league isn't the be all and end all, so no big deal either way, but I remember the Ulster council refusing to move a Donegal vs Derry game I think in 2002 when Ireland were playing Spain in the World Cup. Now that was madness and only a few thousand showed up.

There was also a first round of the league a few years ago between Limerick and Tipperary that clashed with a Munster Heineken Cup game (a quarter final if memory serves). The GAA refused to change the throw in time to cater for this resulting in a crowd of only 1,500 turning up in the Gaelic Grounds - about 3% of capacity.

I remember it mostly for the tag line on the picture in the newspaper the following day showing a handful of people behind one of the goals stating "Limerick fans flock in their tens to watch the opening round of the league". I thought it was pretty witty.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 24/02/2015 17:12:14    1696413

24/02/2015 14:54:00
flack
Sorry if I upset you Ormo, then again, everything upsets you You didn't upset me. And that isn't my name

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/02/2015 17:26:09    1696419

ormond
All limerick players don't go to fee paying schools. More and more in Leinster are coming through outside of the fee paying schools. You know nothing of me so quit the assumptions
What is a normal background?
24/02/2015 14:57:24 MesAmis
Limerick is not the majority. How many rugby clubs in Limerick city in anyways?
If rugby was a sport for all then it'd be a maybe once in a generation thing that only one player would have gone to a private school. Then it would truly mirror the society in Ireland. At the moment it comes nowhere near it as the majority of players in every Ireland squad come outta fee paying schools. That's not reflective of Ireland. A normal background was a term I was using to denote the fact that the vast vast majority of people can't afford to part with a massive wedge of cash (some of the figures for a single year are truly disgusting imo!) every year to send their offspring to a school to do the same curriculum as every one else! You do realise the majority of schools in Ulster that play rugby aren't private. More and more making top level in Leinster have not attended a fee paying school and you are showing lack of basic knowledge about rugby if you actually believe once in a generation player not been to a "private school". The rugby side is reflective of Ireland,

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/02/2015 17:29:16    1696421

24/02/2015 15:19:09
gilly2308
although like Mike from Limerick if the hurlers were playing it would have to be the hurling. At the end of day the day I have a huge gra for rugby, it is the one sport that we play together as one country, it is the one game where you can have 20,000 English men and women in Dublin for the weekend, freely mixing with Irish supporters, and not one arrest, and let's face it we're not too bad at the old rugger either There is much more than rugby that the entire 32 counties play together internationally.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/02/2015 17:30:33    1696422

ormond
It wouldn't be to benefit another sport it would be a change for the benefit of all fans who would like to see both. How can you not see that?
24/02/2015 16:00:49 hill16no1man
becuase its not a benifit to anybody involved in club level actitivty on a sunday morning
it now makes it very hard for anybody in meath club games at 11pm on sunday to attend the match
and makes it virtualy impossible for the away team
do you think its fair to suit the few people who want to see another sport at the dissapointment of people who are actualy playing and coaching the sport in those counties How many clubs play games at adult level 11am sunday mornings? There is 000s who would watch both and it was stupid of GAA to make these games clash with the rugby when its been known for years that this game was set for a sunday

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/02/2015 17:32:27    1696425

24/02/2015 16:07:28 hill16no1man
club games generally throw in at 11pm in most counties
now you also want the county boards to move all club fixtures
sorry but thats madness
people have lives outside of gaa and changing a club fixture list that was set out months ago the week of a game is totaly unfair
to suit the needs of people who wont choose a match to go to or watch unless it doesnt clash with another sport.
yes if involved in a club match on the sunday at 11pm your not going to make it to kerry from dublin
but if the throw in is 2pm you will have more people travel down than you will have at 1pm in throw in
as its harder to make it for 1pm than 2pm travelling that distance and that goes for all counties travelling a far distance. How many counties have adult games regularly starting at 11am? How is it madness for games to be moved to accommodate players/supporters who may wish to see something they would miss by playing the game at a specific time. Who said change it the week of the game. Games shouldn't have been set for this time in first place as it would have been known there would be a clash

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/02/2015 17:34:54    1696427

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 9324

You do realise the majority of schools in Ulster that play rugby aren't private. More and more making top level in Leinster have not attended a fee paying school and you are showing lack of basic knowledge about rugby if you actually believe once in a generation player not been to a "private school". The rugby side is reflective of Ireland,

You've misread my post. I didn't say that there is a rugby player once in a generation who didn't go to private school. I didn't say that.

I said "If rugby was a sport for all then it'd be a maybe once in a generation thing that only one player would have gone to a private school."

In that if the Irish rugby team was reflective of Irish society it wouldn't have that many players ever coming from private schools becuase the vast majority of the country did not/does not go to private schools. I don't understand your problem with it.

Maybe you think that having a squad full up with people from priveleged backgrounds is reflective of Irish society but it is not true. You're ignoring a hell of a lot of people if you think that a huge percentage of Irish people go to private school,because that is essentially what you are saying by claiming that rugby is reflective of society in that way.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 24/02/2015 18:05:21    1696443

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 9276

club games generally throw in at 11pm in most counties


maybe in northern Finland but not in Cavan.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 24/02/2015 18:14:25    1696447

ormondbannerman
You do realise the majority of schools in Ulster that play rugby aren't private. More and more making top level in Leinster have not attended a fee paying school and you are showing lack of basic knowledge about rugby if you actually believe once in a generation player not been to a "private school". The rugby side is reflective of Ireland,
24/02/2015 18:05:21 MesAmis
You've misread my post. I didn't say that there is a rugby player once in a generation who didn't go to private school. I didn't say that.
I said "If rugby was a sport for all then it'd be a maybe once in a generation thing that only one player would have gone to a private school." In that if the Irish rugby team was reflective of Irish society it wouldn't have that many players ever coming from private schools becuase the vast majority of the country did not/does not go to private schools. I don't understand your problem with it.
Maybe you think that having a squad full up with people from priveleged backgrounds is reflective of Irish society but it is not true. You're ignoring a hell of a lot of people if you think that a huge percentage of Irish people go to private school,because that is essentially what you are saying by claiming that rugby is reflective of society in that way.The irish rugby team is very much reflective of irish society. The private schools have so many playing pro level because they in general have more players training more, together etc. Blackrock are like a huge club. The school one attends is key as unlike GAA the schools and clubs seasons completely overlap and in many areas you either play clubs or schools. The irish side is reflective of irish society. I wont go to the bother of going through exactly where all go to school as whats the point. The squads aren't full of people from privileged(sic) backgrounds. Im not ignoring anybody actually

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/02/2015 18:27:55    1696452

No club games ever played at 11.00 in Donegal.

The sensible soloution is to play the games at 1.00 so that sports fans who enjoy both can watch both, to do otherwise smacks of bloody mindedness, will hurt gates & annoy people.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 24/02/2015 18:28:54    1696454

the master

Now your trying to make out I said something differant
I agreed with the point that if you have a match at 11am your not going to be travelling to killarney
the second point I made was in relation to the time of throw in that at 2pm more people will travel down
than 1pm throw in time thats in general.
how am i talking nonsense,I had a club match a couple of weeks ago at 11am and went to dublin v tipp at 2pm
if the match was moved to 1pm I wouldnt have made the dublin v tipp game
if theres matches sunday morning in other countys around 11am then for your sensitive feelings they are not going to make it if games
are switched to 1pm

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/02/2015 18:32:19    1696455

kurtangle

There was also a first round of the league a few years ago between Limerick and Tipperary that clashed with a Munster Heineken Cup game (a quarter final if memory serves). The GAA refused to change the throw in time to cater for this resulting in a crowd of only 1,500 turning up in the Gaelic Grounds - about 3% of capacity.
I remember it mostly for the tag line on the picture in the newspaper the following day showing a handful of people behind one of the goals stating "Limerick fans flock in their tens to watch the opening round of the league". I thought it was pretty witty.


thats all limerick get for league games reagrdless of what other sports are being played

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/02/2015 18:33:32    1696456

ormond
How many clubs play games at adult level 11am sunday mornings? There is 000s who would watch both and it was stupid of GAA to make these games clash with the rugby when its been known for years that this game was set for a sunday

who said it had to be adult level only?
juveniles go to league games too you do know that right?
aswell as that who do you think runs juvenile teams?
refs juvenile games?
most people wont care if they see the rugby or not
its just a hanfull whinging about it who lets face proabably the same people who think the league is meaningless anyway
so wouldnt be going if the weather is bad in the first place
the people who are going this weekend will be going regardless of rugby cricket or flies on a wall.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/02/2015 18:36:31    1696459

ormond
How many counties have adult games regularly starting at 11am? How is it madness for games to be moved to accommodate players/supporters who may wish to see something they would miss by playing the game at a specific time. Who said change it the week of the game. Games shouldn't have been set for this time in first place as it would have been known there would be a clash

why again those it need to be only adult games?
you want to move juveile matches then for your sensititvity
there is mini busses arranged kids familys may have plans.
why shouldnt games be set for this time because it clashes with a rugby game?
there two different sports run by two different sporting bodies
I dont see any other sport changing their matches when they clash with championship games
im sure theres rabo or league of ireland games clash with them
its life you make a decision

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/02/2015 18:39:42    1696460

MuckrossHead
County: Donegal
Posts: 3297

1696454
No club games ever played at 11.00 in Donegal.
The sensible soloution is to play the games at 1.00 so that sports fans who enjoy both can watch both, to do otherwise smacks of bloody mindedness, will hurt gates & annoy people.

what time do all the donegal county board games on a sunday morning take place?
this ias adult and underage we are talking about.
why is that the senisble choice
you reducing the number of people who will go by having it at 1pm than 2pm
all its doing will suit armchair supporters

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/02/2015 18:42:41    1696461