I'll be watching the rugby but in saying that, and I will be honest here, even if there was no rugby on I wouldn't be going to watch our footballers.

But if it clashed with one of our hurler's matches I'd be at the hurling.

mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 24/02/2015 13:33:15    1696300

A
even if it was a boland cup first round/ junior E hurling league and it clashed with "Ireland" playing the world cup foinal. And if our club chairman asked to change our match so as not to clash with those fat posh slobs Id kick his a**e up and down the pitch.

Theyre taking any seriousness out of the league with this carry on, next theyll be moving matches because they clash with eastenders

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 24/02/2015 13:33:21    1696302

Yew Tree, I will be watching the Dubs on TV, but keeping track of the rugger!

10/11 England is great bet by the way!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 24/02/2015 13:48:00    1696313

24/02/2015 08:36:18
roundball
You're very protective of the auld rugby Ormond!
Maybe at J2 level it still is a game for all shapes and sizes but at the elite end it's a different story. The physicality has increased massively, I blame the insidious influence of Ulster football personally!
Seriously though- Rugby is more of a threat to GAA viewing figures than our playing base. It's becoming like the NFL in the States which is a massive spectator and televisual event but is really the preserve of athletic monsters, gladiators. The NFL enjoys more than double the TV audience as the NBA but there are nearly 3x as many people playing Basketball as compared with American Football. With the concussion issue gathering real momentum how many parents are going to be encouraging their kids to take up rugby?Well when people are constantly trolling rugby why shouldnt I defend the sport. Pro level is very unique though. At amateur level it is a game for all shapes and sizes. Concussion issue is being worked on and if a concussion is seen in amateur rugby you cant come on field again and its reported by match officals and coaches and noted so the branches can stop players playing again before they are meant to
ormondbannerman
Rubbish. Rugby is a game for all. Where are people stopped from playing? Who stops anyone from playing rugby? Rugby is a game for all shapes and sizes and accommodates everyone
24/02/2015 09:44:11 MesAmis
It's not rubbish. A huge proportion of professional rugby players come from affluent backgrounds and went to fee paying schools which helped in their development as rugby players. The same is not true of a huge proportion of soccer and GAA players.
That creates an impression that rugby is for the elites like yourself.
Until we see a situation where 90+% of rugby players came from normal backgrounds then it will not be seen as a sport for all. Maybe the situation is changing but I don't see it yet. The majority of rugby players in Dublin, or even Leinster generally, are still coming from the same background. If it were a sport for all the majority would be coming from normal schools with a tiny minority coming from fee paying schools. At the moment it doesn't mirror society. All limerick players don't go to fee paying schools. More and more in Leinster are coming through outside of the fee paying schools. You know nothing of me so quit the assumptions
What is a normal background?

24/02/2015 09:45:49 Tir Conaill Abu
Why should we change times for this other sport. Supporters make decisions all the time in what they want to watch. If someone wants to watch the rugby then so be it, I know I'll be in Ballyshannon watching Donegal v Cork. Personally I can't see the attraction of rugby and I don't think we should be moving games to accommodate another sport. Rugby may have moved on in other parts of Ireland but ask most people in Donegal about rugby and you will find that the general feeling is that it is played by the more elite of society and financially backed by the business class. I also don't buy into the fact that it is a sport for everyone, although they might not exclude everyone, it certainly doesn't suit everyone. Most people use soccer, athletics, GAA, golf etc. at all ages and of all abilities as a form of exercise as well as competitively but that cannot be said for rugby. Because its a big game and allows supporters go to both. Do the provinces schedule pro12 games for the same time as big all Ireland finals? No they don't.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/02/2015 14:02:54    1696322

24/02/2015 09:52:48
hurlingdub
Ormond, rugby does have an appeal as a spectacle. I enjoy watching it myself. Mes Amis is however correct regarding its lack of penetration in Dublin at least. I honestly don't know anyone who plays club rugby but know hundreds who play or have played football, hurling, soccer, boxing.
Interesting point about NFL Roundball. There is indeed a school of thought in US that outside of the colleges and the pro ball circuit that it is no longer the sort of game someone would play on a Saturday morning. Basketball is much lower maintenance and safer and therefore does have far more people playing. Like soccer you can play basketball anywhere basically whereas a gridiron game requires huge organization even at basic level so people don't play it in the park, other than messing about.
NFL remains by far biggest TV and live spectator sport so perhaps that is the way of sport in the future. Still need to get players all the same. What exactly do you think is way of sport in the future?

NFL isn't the sport outside of schools, colleges, pros you play. Its too awkward to

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/02/2015 14:04:58    1696323

hurlingdub, England are evens on PP :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 24/02/2015 14:05:19    1696324

24/02/2015 09:56:56
hill16no1man
dont agree gaa should change times to benifit any other sport
for anything other than advice from the gardai maybe for traffic or general infrastucture reasons
but didnt ireland play england a few years back the same night dublin played kerry in the league in croker
in front of the largest spring series attendance of 46 thousand It wouldn't be to benefit another sport it would be a change for the benefit of all fans who would like to see both. How can you not see that?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/02/2015 14:06:00    1696325

24/02/2015 10:49:40 daytona11
Why don't the Rugby move their game so it doesn't clash with our native games? Rugby game has been set for this time for several years. Why did GAA fix games for same time of rugby when they knew it would affect attendances at their games?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/02/2015 14:07:27    1696326

24/02/2015 13:33:21
flack
even if it was a boland cup first round/ junior E hurling league and it clashed with "Ireland" playing the world cup foinal. And if our club chairman asked to change our match so as not to clash with those fat posh slobs Id kick his a**e up and down the pitch.
Theyre taking any seriousness out of the league with this carry on, next theyll be moving matches because they clash with eastenders Rubbish post. Whats with Ireland in inverted commas. Sad that you are such a bitter individual using tired, false clichés about rugby

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/02/2015 14:08:47    1696328

themaster

They are doing it for their own benefit also. Plenty who wouldn't bother going to the match because they want to see the big rugby match, now have the option to go see it - and pay in to do so... It is also for the benefit of their own fans, who they acknowledge have an interest in other sports. Everybody wins here.
Get off your soap box.

hardly on a soap box and you must not be involved in clubs or travel to away matches
take the meath game now moved to what 1pm
this means anybody playing a club game or involved in meath club teams will probably not make 1pm throw in
also makes anybodys mind up who might be travelling from the opposition team as I know full well
if our match was switched to 1pm in killarney there would be a huge drop in travelling dublin supporters for the game
owing to not being able to make it on time if your involved in grass roots.
so while you may be allowing some people a handy sports sunday
your also making it impossible for people who are actively involved in playing or coaching the games the oppurtunity to attend
and lets face it most of whom would make up a far higher percentage of a county teams hardcore support.
so if anything you could loose numbers attending.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/02/2015 14:16:57    1696331

Missed that realdub!

Based on first two games, and England getting nearer back to full strength and doubts over some of the Irish players it is a good bet.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 24/02/2015 14:47:41    1696339

Yes you are on a soap box. And sorry, but your last post is complete conjecture. You don't know what time the games are at, you don't even know if there are club games being played. Even if there are, cant they be moved also? The fact is if people involved in club games on sunday morning and Dublin or mayo or whoever have a game in Kerry at any stage in the afternoon, 95% of them aren't going down anyway. You know that and so do I.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 24/02/2015 14:52:29    1696343

Sorry if I upset you Ormo, then again, everything upsets you

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 24/02/2015 14:54:00    1696346

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 9318


All limerick players don't go to fee paying schools. More and more in Leinster are coming through outside of the fee paying schools. You know nothing of me so quit the assumptions
What is a normal background?

Limerick is not the majority.

How many rugby clubs in Limerick city in anyways?

If rugby was a sport for all then it'd be a maybe once in a generation thing that only one player would have gone to a private school. Then it would truly mirror the society in Ireland. At the moment it comes nowhere near it as the majority of players in every Ireland squad come outta fee paying schools. That's not reflective of Ireland.

A normal background was a term I was using to denote the fact that the vast vast majority of people can't afford to part with a massive wedge of cash (some of the figures for a single year are truly disgusting imo!) every year to send their offspring to a school to do the same curriculum as every one else!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 24/02/2015 14:57:24    1696350

kikfada
County: Louth
Posts: 1549

1696216 Meaths game is switched to accomadate the large Royal Support for the Oval Ball game and to relive the great moments at Croke Park when Horgan and Sheridan scored those famous tries......

Good man Kikfada will you be in the Rats clubhouse before and after the louth match? Watch the second half and cheer on the two louth men and hopefully celebrate Louth and Irish victories.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 24/02/2015 15:08:46    1696358

B although like Mike from Limerick if the hurlers were playing it would have to be the hurling. At the end of day the day I have a huge gra for rugby, it is the one sport that we play together as one country, it is the one game where you can have 20,000 English men and women in Dublin for the weekend, freely mixing with Irish supporters, and not one arrest, and let's face it we're not too bad at the old rugger either.

gilly0512 (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 24/02/2015 15:19:09    1696361

gilly2308
County: Galway
Posts: 1013

1696361
B although like Mike from Limerick if the hurlers were playing it would have to be the hurling. At the end of day the day I have a huge gra for rugby, it is the one sport that we play together as one country, it is the one game where you can have 20,000 English men and women in Dublin for the weekend, freely mixing with Irish supporters, and not one arrest, and let's face it we're not too bad at the old rugger either.

There are numerous sports that are all-island.

In soccer any one from the island of Ireland can play for the Republic.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 24/02/2015 15:28:56    1696369

Move all the matches to 1:00pm. Then the pubs closest to the stadium can be jammers for the Rugby. Otherwise you will have crowds heading off early if their team is getting well bet.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1115 - 24/02/2015 15:36:01    1696372

tirawleybaron

Move all the matches to 1:00pm. Then the pubs closest to the stadium can be jammers for the Rugby. Otherwise you will have crowds heading off early if their team is getting well bet.

It would be more of a prudent move to have all the games on sunday at 1pm, plenty of Gaa fans will also want to see us take on 'the old enemy' at 3pm so I reckon the Gaa will get higher attendances with earlier kickoffs.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 24/02/2015 16:00:42    1696379

ormond
It wouldn't be to benefit another sport it would be a change for the benefit of all fans who would like to see both. How can you not see that?


becuase its not a benifit to anybody involved in club level actitivty on a sunday morning
it now makes it very hard for anybody in meath club games at 11pm on sunday to attend the match
and makes it virtualy impossible for the away team
do you think its fair to suit the few people who want to see another sport
at the dissapointment of people who are actualy playing and coaching the sport in those counties?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/02/2015 16:00:49    1696380