MuckrossHead
County: Donegal
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Not in so many words Mes Amis, but the sub text is there. Otherwise why mention it?

You're the one who mentioned it so you tell us?

Unless of course you are trying to suggest that stating that a lot of rugby players are from priveleged backgrounds equates to claiming the are not as Irish as others? No one has suggested that so I don't see why you've decided to bring it up.

Beating up a man made of straw doesn't make you a heavyweight champion.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 01/03/2015 16:57:57    1697983

There are good relations betweeen IRFU/GAA/and FAI. But given the constant publicity given to rugby there is a case to be made for GAA to investigate dropping out of Rugby world cup bid and doing a deal with Irish Soccer instead. Let see how the Media treat the GAA this year!

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2520 - 01/03/2015 19:14:16    1698051

well after all the talk of clashes hurting attendances
the kerry v dublin game was up 2thousand on the prvious clash in 2013

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 02/03/2015 14:19:48    1698332

because like everything in rugby where its overblown with positivity gaa is the opposite where even people involved and especially on here overblow everything negatively..im not suprised hil..kerry going well and a few players back..and good game on paper

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 02/03/2015 14:29:09    1698342

Watched the rest of the rugby after the Dubs match. Pretty tame and boring it has to be said. I enjoy watching rugby but it was a poor game. Hype accounts for a lot.

Not sure about the good relations with the FAI. At least the IRFU did not change the name of Hill 16 to the "North terrace"! And anyone who thinks that was not a calculated move on the part of the anti "gah2 bigots in FAI who seethe with resentment that the Dubs are bigger than their national team does not know them :-)

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 02/03/2015 14:35:25    1698350

i switched over to the chelsea match hurlingdub after the start of the second half..couldnt watch anymore..kick kick kick..when a fly half garryowens the ball in the opposition 22 then you know there is serious issues and lack of creativity

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 02/03/2015 14:54:15    1698360

On terrestrial TV, Friday night you had 3 rugby matches on live across 6 channels. RTE had Ireland U20s, BBC showed the Ulster game & TG4 showed Leinster.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 02/03/2015 15:24:22    1698373

That is an issue I have with it too Fabio, there is a real lack of invention in the game. Any sport where kicking the ball straight back to the opponent, whether that be over the sideline or as near as possible to their own scoring zone, is the over-riding tactic in the game - for both teams, is not something that is going to garner interest from neutral fans. The ethos there is 'let's hope they make a mistake near their own goal line'. Similarly, the idea of 'crash-ball', or in other words trying to bludgeon your opponents out of the way with big brutes over and over again rather than actually try to get around them, is not really something that I would find entertaining, personally. I actually think the pitch is too narrow. If it was a bit wider there would be more emphasis on guys who can run (and less on human wrecking balls). Maybe then we could see some invention.

Also, I disagree with idea that 'rugby is for all shapes and sizes'. You dont see too many 10 stone 5 9' men on the field, or in other words, the average guy.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 02/03/2015 15:26:05    1698375

the all shapes and sizes remark applies to those often lacking the athleticism to play gaelic or soccer..normally those in the front or second row.....i agree there is serious lack of creativity in the game outside of new zealand and the aussies sometimes....when centres who are often your most creative players are only there to tackle and crash into people then it shows just how dull the playing style is

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 02/03/2015 15:30:48    1698376

Ormond will be heavy on the black type when G & Ts wear off. We'll all be in for a paddling.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 02/03/2015 16:37:01    1698415

Just an observation but the most common method of scoring comes directly from the opposition fouling or conceding a penalty. In GAA we often refer to how much a team scored "from play".

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 02/03/2015 20:58:29    1698531

the relying on the other team making a mistake is even bigger in rugby though with the kicking the ball to the other team tactic which is essentially giving the ball away

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 02/03/2015 21:08:26    1698537

fabio there was nearly as many dubs as kerry there though

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 03/03/2015 09:15:51    1698572

02/03/2015 16:37:01
hurlingdub
County: Dublin
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Ormond will be heavy on the black type when G & Ts wear off. We'll all be in for a paddling.


pmsl :D

an tseabhac (Kerry) - Posts: 441 - 03/03/2015 12:52:54    1698676

TheMaster

You dont see too many 10 stone 5 9' men on the field, or in other words, the average guy.

10 stone!? Ah jaysus Master don't tell me the average fella is only 10 stone, I may hit the bloody treadmill fast!

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 03/03/2015 16:15:34    1698801

01/03/2015 19:14:16 galwayford
There are good relations betweeen IRFU/GAA/and FAI. But given the constant publicity given to rugby there is a case to be made for GAA to investigate dropping out of Rugby world cup bid and doing a deal with Irish Soccer instead. Let see how the Media treat the GAA this year! Why would GAA drop out and get the clear and obvious media backlash for "potentially losing the country, the people and the exchequer millions" What deal would GAA do with Irish Soccer? What would Irish Soccer get to host?
02/03/2015 14:29:09 fabio8
because like everything in rugby where its overblown with positivity gaa is the opposite where even people involved and especially on here overblow everything negatively..im not suprised hil..kerry going well and a few players back..and good game on paper And what's wrong with a positive glass half full approach?
02/03/2015 15:24:22 keeper7
On terrestrial TV, Friday night you had 3 rugby matches on live across 6 channels. RTE had Ireland U20s, BBC showed the Ulster game & TG4 showed Leinster.And your point is....
There was clearly interest in all 3.
02/03/2015 15:26:05 TheMaster
That is an issue I have with it too Fabio, there is a real lack of invention in the game. Any sport where kicking the ball straight back to the opponent, whether that be over the sideline or as near as possible to their own scoring zone, is the over-riding tactic in the game - for both teams, is not something that is going to garner interest from neutral fans. The ethos there is 'let's hope they make a mistake near their own goal line'. Similarly, the idea of 'crash-ball', or in other words trying to bludgeon your opponents out of the way with big brutes over and over again rather than actually try to get around them, is not really something that I would find entertaining, personally. I actually think the pitch is too narrow. If it was a bit wider there would be more emphasis on guys who can run (and less on human wrecking balls). Maybe then we could see some invention. Also, I disagree with idea that 'rugby is for all shapes and sizes'. You dont see too many 10 stone 5 9' men on the field, or in other words, the average guy. There isn't a lack of invention. Look at likes of Zebo, Sexton, Murray, Heaslip. Wouldn't be calling any of those guys as not being innovative etc. You don't watch rugby if you think the sentence about kicking the ball straight to opponent is an over riding tactic. Pressurising opposition into making a mistake is a key ploy in gaelic, hurling and multiple other sports as mmuch as in rugby. The pitches aren't too narrow and most aren't played to maximum width for good reason.
Rugby at amateur level is completely for all shapes and sizes and at the pro level it is still much more for all shapes and sizes in comparison to gaelic, hurling etc
02/03/2015 15:30:48 fabio8
the all shapes and sizes remark applies to those often lacking the athleticism to play gaelic or soccer..normally those in the front or second row.....i agree there is serious lack of creativity in the game outside of new zealand and the aussies sometimes....when centres who are often your most creative players are only there to tackle and crash into people then it shows just how dull the playing style is hahahahhahahahahahahahaha what rubbish in your first sentence. You do realise many who've played front row, second row have played a considerable bit of gaelic etc and to say they lack athleticism to play other sports that you mention is ignorance of the highest degree. You really don't watch much rugby if that's what you believe

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 03/03/2015 17:15:36    1698832

02/03/2015 16:37:01 hurlingdub
Ormond will be heavy on the black type when G & Ts wear off. We'll all be in for a paddling. How about actually commenting on the issues being discussed and by the way keep the personal attacks elsewhere. I embolden other peoples post to separate my own thoughts from others as this forum doesn't do that for you
02/03/2015 20:58:29 keeper7
Just an observation but the most common method of scoring comes directly from the opposition fouling or conceding a penalty. In GAA we often refer to how much a team scored "from play". There being an offside line in rugby etc makes scoring from play that bit more difficult in comparison to gaelic/hurling

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 03/03/2015 17:16:20    1698833

Ormond, I meant that as a light hearted commented, not a personal attack!

(That oul gin can make you fierce grumpy all the same :-)

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 03/03/2015 17:23:06    1698840

Like I said, just an observation. It's an unusual quirk of the sport. As for the U20s game on Friday night, I'm not sure there is a massive demand to see that. Also, the PRO12 doesn't particularly generate a lot of interest, especially on a Six Nations weekend.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 03/03/2015 17:45:50    1698850

hurlingdub
County: Dublin
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Ormond, I meant that as a light hearted commented, not a personal attack!

(That oul gin can make you fierce grumpy all the same :-)

Id say after one too many strawberry Daiquiris Ormand would take on anyone.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 03/03/2015 18:43:23    1698882