09/02/2015 18:32:04 Dubh_linn As I already said ormond, I don't profess to have the ultimate solution just think something needs to be done. As for cost being a factor, I think the Gaa can we'll afford it. As I mentioned also, its about giving the players what they deserve. If you want to wheel out the cost argument nothing would be done you wouldn't even have hawkeye which has already proved the right thing to do as was evident in the hurling final. Wasn't the ref glad of that ! I don't think it should be looked at. Look at improving what you already have before doing something radical. The standard of officiating could be improved much more and much easier than introducing a technological aid. Let that be a last resort
So, by that logic I take it you wouldn't have introduced Hawkeye either as it is a technological aid which has proved a great aid to help take the onus off a ref to make that huge call.
Best way to help referees is to ban players talking to him bar the team captain. Captain can then get an explanation any decision the referee makes as per rugby. I would then allow the captain to force the referee consult his linesman/umpires on 3 specific decisions per half.
No need for cameras and can be done at all levels.
Good Point tirawleybaron. Saw bit of a fly on the wall documentary following David Coldrick, (One of if not the best football referees looked at over time). He was doing a Cork/ Dublin match and the aggressive low class foul language aimed at him by the players was a revelation to me.Looked like the purpose was that it could bully a lesser confident referee nervous on the big stage. Surely use of the black card for abusive language towards officials should be promoted, even by a linesman to take pressure off the referee in those situations.
Dubh_linn So, by that logic I take it you wouldn't have introduced Hawkeye either as it is a technological aid which has proved a great aid to help take the onus off a ref to make that huge call. Hawkeye is a different issue entirely. Umpires, linesmen and referees can all be Imporved upon before doing what you are suggesting 10/02/2015 09:07:52 tirawleybaron Best way to help referees is to ban players talking to him bar the team captain. Captain can then get an explanation any decision the referee makes as per rugby. I would then allow the captain to force the referee consult his linesman/umpires on 3 specific decisions per half. No need for cameras and can be done at all levels.How would that work in hurling/gaelic when you could have captain in full back line or goalie and incidents occur at other end of pitch. Rugby has offside line and players close by or relatively close by at all times. 10/02/2015 09:56:41 Ashrules Good Point tirawleybaron. Saw bit of a fly on the wall documentary following David Coldrick, (One of if not the best football referees looked at over time). He was doing a Cork/ Dublin match and the aggressive low class foul language aimed at him by the players was a revelation to me.Looked like the purpose was that it could bully a lesser confident referee nervous on the big stage. Surely use of the black card for abusive language towards officials should be promoted, even by a linesman to take pressure off the referee in those situations. But which officials would do it and risk the wrath of coaches criticising them in media, during game who didn't hear or apparently didn't hear any abusive language
Look it, the whole purpose of the thread was to get some suggestions and its good to get other views. I still think the video option should be a consideration but any improvement would be a step in the right direction. Bottom line is referees are only human and of course they will make mistakes so they do need help whatever form that comes in and this would improve things for the players ultimately.
Watched a program on Setanta last night, called 'men in black' it was a fly on the wall doc regarding Meath's David McGoldrick - it was a serious eye opener for me, David was Miked up so you got to see and hear the tone and mannerism of the ref as he interacts with both sets of teams and his own umpire and sideline colleagues... i'm telling you I see refs and their issues in a different light after it. and I have to tip my cap and say fair play to them as not one supporter or media journalist gives them a break..
No need for cameras and can be done at all levels.How would that work in hurling/gaelic when you could have captain in full back line or goalie and incidents occur at other end of pitch. Rugby has offside line and players close by or relatively close by at all times.
Not sure if you are watching much football at present but with the blanket defence 30 players move up and down the field almost as one (bit like U10's) so no real issue in football. As for hurling, aren't hurling folk constantly telling us their is nothing wrong with hurling!
1692283 Watched a program on Setanta last night, called 'men in black' it was a fly on the wall doc regarding Meath's David McGoldrick - it was a serious eye opener for me, David was Miked up so you got to see and hear the tone and mannerism of the ref as he interacts with both sets of teams and his own umpire and sideline colleagues... i'm telling you I see refs and their issues in a different light after it. and I have to tip my cap and say fair play to them as not one supporter or media journalist gives them a break..
yes seen that myself,and I think there are a couple of other versions Setanta have shown also for soccer and Rugby. Shows these guys are human and genuinely at this level I think they want to do the very best job they can.This is why in my opinion the video option would take huge pressure of them to make vital decisions. Yes,there is cost involved but a trial would be in order at least. Ok ,if you want to give more power and input to other officials but for sure they also are human and will not see every incident that happens and can also be under huge pressure from supporters to give a certain call.
What are the guys that review the refs performance saying in their reports? Is this being taken onboard. No I would say, because its happening again and again. Its a joke.