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Fabio to say that coc scored simple frees in the 2011 Connacht finals is rubbish, in a game in terrible conditions he kicked over high pressured kicks from every angle and a long distance. When Mayo have needed coc he has delivered granted not always but most of the time while you cannot say the same about Clarke who did not score against Donegal in 2014, Galway 2013 and the second half against Roscommon in 2012. All games which Armagh lost and got knocked out of the championship as a result. That Armagh got to the quarter final last year the are not a bad team. Only 3 players scored more then coc from play in 2014 and only 2 in 2013. I am sure if he was from Dublin he would be on the team. ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 11/02/2015 21:27:54 1692675 Link 0 |
ROS1 jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 11/02/2015 21:37:37 1692685 Link 0 |
most of those games were complete utter beatdowns and very one sided against very ordinary teams in connaught...he is very ordinary from play..explain his performances in numerous high profile games where he was poor?..why are mayo regarded as lacking a top class forward?..because he isnt 1...he scored frees in that final but the majority of them were fairly straight forward..being a good free taker doesnt make you a top forward..if you cant win your own ball consistently then you are not a top forward..he is a good player and good finisher but not top class and benefits greatly from being part of a good side..this year is the first time clarke has been part of a solid armagh team..they are still no great shakes...and mayo have been much superior for a number of years fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 11/02/2015 21:37:54 1692687 Link 0 |
delivered adding goals to beatdowns in connaught isnt exactly considered delivering..when has he delivered?..you do realise beating roscommon in a connacht final isnt exactly considered much for a mayo team? fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 11/02/2015 21:38:58 1692688 Link 0 |
you will notice i havent been bigging up clarke all that much although i do feel he is better than o connor as offers a lot more from play..his club displays have also been much better...nobody considers brosnan from wexford a top forward but i think he came top on scoring 1 time..those scoring stats largely favour good free takers fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 11/02/2015 21:41:18 1692689 Link 0 |
Jimbob i thing 2013 was more to do with Mayo poor management then anything O'Gara did. Eog is not in the same class as coc. Fabio cheap dig aside Mayo would not have won that final without him playing that day and Mayo had lost to Longford the previous year and got took to extra time against London that year the have improved since with the help of coc. Clarke was given a platform this year which he failed to take and when Armagh needed him over the last 3 years he has failed to show up. Many all Ireland's were won by having a better free taker then the opposition. ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 11/02/2015 22:02:34 1692708 Link 0 |
E'OG had a far bigger impact on that game than C'OC did... when he came on he completely turned the game on it's head and Dublin got on top jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 12/02/2015 09:02:56 1692716 Link 0 |
From play - championship football top scorer 2014 The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3762 - 12/02/2015 09:29:47 1692725 Link 0 |
Fabio, in fairness, he fairly stood up in the two Kerry games last year. He was the best forward on the field for much of the first game - a field he shared with JOD. He was doing damage in the second game too, until he had to go off. People seem to have forgotten about those games because mayo lost. TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 12/02/2015 09:49:00 1692731 Link 0 |
O'Connor is only 22 and will be the top forward in the country in the next few years. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 12/02/2015 09:56:54 1692733 Link 0 |
11/02/2015 13:39:29 HughHunt24 (Cork) - Posts: 841 - 12/02/2015 09:57:48 1692735 Link 0 |
themaster, sure all dublin had to do last year was turn up in croker, but they got their arses handed to them. saddam (Mayo) - Posts: 414 - 12/02/2015 09:58:43 1692737 Link 0 |
Mayo are lucky that the only defender in the country who can handle Cillian O'Connor is Keith Higgins. Miler (Mayo) - Posts: 1015 - 12/02/2015 10:22:48 1692751 Link 0 |
Jimbodub is eight about EOG...he was the game changer for Dublin in 2013 and the MVP (most valuable player) for that season, he won the A.I. for the Dubs. What is the point about this thread? Mayo would pick EOG ahead of COC ( an excellent player) for the last 30 minutes of any game, I know I would. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1672 - 12/02/2015 10:34:13 1692757 Link 0 |
All those players you mentioned are multiple All Ireland winners themaster.... jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 12/02/2015 10:41:57 1692762 Link 0 |
suckvalleypaddy jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 12/02/2015 10:51:38 1692768 Link 0 |
think hes excellent finisher master but he cant win his own ball and doesnt do enough from play..that would be my issue with him and why i dont think hes a top forward...good free taker and very good finisher..to be a top forward you should be cleaning whoever you are marking or a major threat the majority of the time...o connor is part of a poor mayo forward line in my own opinion. fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 12/02/2015 14:58:51 1692925 Link 0 |
this one is dragging on. O'Connor is very good. In the top 3 forwards in the country in terms of effectiveness in my view. The game's about getting scores and he's excellent at doing that. Plenty of so called "top forwards (next thing we'll be talking about top, top forwards!)" are easier on the eye than O'Connor but they don't score near as much as him. Look at the stats from the championship over the last 3 years. pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 12/02/2015 15:27:53 1692946 Link 0 |
Fabio, he won all his own ball against Kerry though. He won the penalty too. I don't get what you are trying to say, he wins his own ball every bit as much as the gooch for example. Maybe you should define what winning your own ball is for you, because to me, it seems you are saying that every forward has to be a target man. Im not saying he is the best forward in the country either, Im not making any claims about him to be honest. Im just showing how a lot of criticism he gets, isn't actually accurate. The reality is if he was the exact same player and was a few yards quicker - but scored the same, people would say he was a better player. TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 12/02/2015 15:37:50 1692954 Link 0 |
12/02/2015 14:58:51 HughHunt24 (Cork) - Posts: 841 - 12/02/2015 16:20:11 1692981 Link 0 |