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I find it bizarre to see people saying that Jamie Clarke is as good and in some cases better then coc. Sure Clarke is a good forward but he has not proven himself comparable to some of the top class footballers mentioned here, i would suggest that if Clarke was from another club in Armagh then cross no one would be on here saying he is better then coc. It is true that there are a number of players who if the were with a better county the would have more championships games and more chance to shine for example Sweeney with tipp and Mulligan with Leitrim but Armagh played more championship games then any other county last season Clarke averaged less then 3 points per game, when it came to the business end of the championship he only scored a point against Meath and nothing against Donegal. Coc is 3 years younger then Clarke and in his first championship season he virtually single handily won the Connacht final for them and has lead them ever since. Only three players scored more from play last season in the chamionship ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 10/02/2015 19:51:34 1692251 Link 0 |
being a Cross man has raised Clarkes prfoile but he is a good forward no doubt. I think o connor is better and with McGeeney saying hell be deploying Clarke in defensive positions I dont see Clarke being a marquee forward this year. joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 10/02/2015 20:44:51 1692271 Link 0 |
Cillian O'Connor Championship Games Played : 21 Scored 12-95(131) Average Point per Game : 6.24 Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 11/02/2015 09:12:25 1692326 Link 0 |
I know the rules pretty well, think this is what I meant, this means that the Goal was a good goal. youngfella27 (Armagh) - Posts: 110 - 11/02/2015 09:30:52 1692334 Link 0 |
Interesting point re Clarke and cross Ros1. I was surprised that he only managed 3 points a game last year on that run through the qualifiers. When you consider the exploits of someone like Emlyn Mulligan in Leitrim, it makes you wonder. TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 11/02/2015 09:58:29 1692345 Link 0 |
Regarding those stats for clarke v o'connor, take away the frees and a whole different picture is painted. geoff (Tyrone) - Posts: 377 - 11/02/2015 10:13:42 1692355 Link 0 |
He is only as good as his next game..Lets wait and see. Top_Synopsis (Mayo) - Posts: 98 - 11/02/2015 10:33:06 1692362 Link 0 |
youngfella-you clearly don't know the rules pretty well. TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts: 529 - 11/02/2015 10:38:51 1692363 Link 0 |
11/02/2015 10:13:42 Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 11/02/2015 10:43:17 1692368 Link 0 |
I thought Cillian O'Connor was brilliant last year. People keep going on about Mayo not having a top class forward but it is not his fault they let in goals in big games. Ok he is not pacy and doesn't get involved in the build up play but he has some scoring record - from frees and play. Definitely in the top 5 forwards in the country at the moment and it won't be his fault if Mayo don't win Sam soon. JimTheLegend (Donegal) - Posts: 247 - 11/02/2015 13:24:11 1692451 Link 0 |
I might be totally wrong but, I dont get the hype about Cillian O'Connor. He never seems to contribute much from play and I'd nearly wager 75% of his scores are from placed balls. aido_d2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 1 - 11/02/2015 13:39:29 1692462 Link 0 |
What makes me so certain that o connor will become one of the greats is his attitude. He's like the frank Lampard of the GAA. Practices longer and harder than the vast majority of intercounty players, and has a phenomenal attitude and appetite to keep improving. Some guys have a great season or two early in the careers, then rest on their laurels and never improve. O connor is the opposite. Within club circles in mayo, its widely known that he has put so much work into freetaking with his left foot that they expect him to be kicking them off left and right for mayo in the next year or two. Mayostar (Mayo) - Posts: 40 - 11/02/2015 13:43:32 1692467 Link 0 |
The master, Paraic Joyce record shows that he is/ was a better player than O connor. 2 All Ireland Medals alone but won before age 24 says a lot.. His perforamnce alone in the final of 01 shows that.. And Joyce never had discipline issues unlike O Connor.. If Joyce in his prime had come on at that stage O Connor did last Sun Mayo would have won the game. O Connor kicked bad wides at a crucial stage!! No comparison... Belclare1 (Galway) - Posts: 1626 - 11/02/2015 13:46:58 1692469 Link 0 |
As for those saying he is only 22 etc. Cooper was only 19 in his first final and 21 when he won the All Ireland in 04 where he was unplayable. I have yet to see a big championship game in Croke Park where O'Connor has been unmarkable. TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 11/02/2015 14:43:36 1692496 Link 0 |
Ah cop on, Tom Langan, now he is long gone!! Your waffling man... Look you have to go back to 1951 i go back to 1998 and 2001.. Joyce 10 points in an All Ireland final winning team.. i rest my case. And i assure you O connor has discipline issues and will see red again before the year is out... The great players no matter what events transpire against them would not be red carded in All Ireland semi finals!! Belclare1 (Galway) - Posts: 1626 - 11/02/2015 18:01:05 1692605 Link 0 |
single handedly won the connaught final?..he scored a few fairly simple frees..he plays in a much better all round side than clarke does..o connor is nothing special from play and would only be known as a good free taker and solid finisher if he were from a smaller county..he would barely be noticed..if you cant win your own ball at the top level then you are nothing special fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 11/02/2015 19:46:14 1692633 Link 0 |
hes part of a mayo side widely regarded to be lacking a class forward..that says it all fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 11/02/2015 19:46:57 1692634 Link 0 |
Jack Smith of DCU and All Ireland U-21 winner with Dublin made light work of O'Connor... jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 11/02/2015 20:18:12 1692643 Link 0 |
as much as we disagree jimbo i would have to agree with you there..might start as a useful free taker but would certainly be well down the list in terms of overall ability compared to the rest fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 11/02/2015 20:25:23 1692646 Link 0 |
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 11/02/2015 20:34:54 1692652 Link 0 |