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Gary, there is an awful antipathy towards Belfast from many Derry city people, bordering on manic at times. I know Derry got a raw deal from Stormont, old and new, but it's time to ditch the chip on both shoulders. In the place I work there is a real anti Belfast mindset when dealing with Derry city people. Snidey and cheeky remarks are often the order of the day. Derry people really need to get over themselves.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 05/06/2016 15:53:07    1861817

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Gary, there is an awful antipathy towards Belfast from many Derry city people, bordering on manic at times. I know Derry got a raw deal from Stormont, old and new, but it's time to ditch the chip on both shoulders. In the place I work there is a real anti Belfast mindset when dealing with Derry city people. Snidey and cheeky remarks are often the order of the day. Derry people really need to get over themselves."
Is OSO your alter-ego Ulsterman?

It's not something I have ever really encountered, nor is it something I practice myself.

In truth, I see and work with people from Donegal and Tyrone, as well as Cavan and maybe Sligo or Fermanagh. I never had a dislike to Belfast, or Belfast people for that matter. And I can't say I have seen a generalised dislike the way your posts suggest

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 05/06/2016 16:49:39    1861839

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "Is OSO your alter-ego Ulsterman?

It's not something I have ever really encountered, nor is it something I practice myself.

In truth, I see and work with people from Donegal and Tyrone, as well as Cavan and maybe Sligo or Fermanagh. I never had a dislike to Belfast, or Belfast people for that matter. And I can't say I have seen a generalised dislike the way your posts suggest"
Gary

You have wiped the floor with no one!

Your ideals are outdated and your arguements flawed and you contradict yourself. On one had you recognise the corporate aspect that all modern era stadia require for maintenance and to generate income and then you begin rambling about Slane Castle??? I noted that you only went once and never returned, was it having to slump it of the infrastructure? I think that what the majority want and what we deserve these days when go to games is a modern state of the art stadium with amenities inside but also out and around the stadium where we can meet up with people we haven't met prehaps in a while, HAVE THE OPTION of food and drinks if we choose in comfort and not have people like you dictate that we can't have that as you want a "greenfield site". Now you can big up Omagh all you want, but it's a traffic nightmare and unlike Nowlan park it is well isolated from higher population concentrations.
The national stadium is in Dublin and you don't here Kerry people moaning that it should be somewhere more central as they have had to travel to it more than most on all Ireland final day. Guess what? It's an occasion for some people Gary and they want to enjoy it in comfort and however else they please. Now if you just want to turn up and go home after fair play, go for it, you STILL HAVE THE OPTION in Belfast!! If you want to make a weekend of it and stay over in Omagh you're options are pretty limited. So let's give everyone THE OPTION how they want to enjoy their teams day in the sun!! Remember some of us, and your own county included, don't get very many!!

Why shouldn't the governement contribute the the development of the stadium, they have a duty to provide for their population. If you think that the Irish didn't cough up for croke and it was solely paid for by the GAA you are deluded!! And where does the money go? Into promoting games home and abroad, just watched on TV that they are giving New York 2 million to help develop Gaelic park and facilities. Move with the times man!
As for your trol comment, you ignoramus, read my previous posts and you will see I don't share the same views as Ulsterman.
I will not justify your broken record drivel with another response, you don't speak for the majority, you don't even take them into consideration, you do however belong in the ham sandwich brigade who don't put their hands in their pockets or generate any revenue on match day and want as cheap a day out as possible!!

oso (Antrim) - Posts: 168 - 05/06/2016 17:20:44    1861849

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Replying To oso:  "Gary

You have wiped the floor with no one!

Your ideals are outdated and your arguements flawed and you contradict yourself. On one had you recognise the corporate aspect that all modern era stadia require for maintenance and to generate income and then you begin rambling about Slane Castle??? I noted that you only went once and never returned, was it having to slump it of the infrastructure? I think that what the majority want and what we deserve these days when go to games is a modern state of the art stadium with amenities inside but also out and around the stadium where we can meet up with people we haven't met prehaps in a while, HAVE THE OPTION of food and drinks if we choose in comfort and not have people like you dictate that we can't have that as you want a "greenfield site". Now you can big up Omagh all you want, but it's a traffic nightmare and unlike Nowlan park it is well isolated from higher population concentrations.
The national stadium is in Dublin and you don't here Kerry people moaning that it should be somewhere more central as they have had to travel to it more than most on all Ireland final day. Guess what? It's an occasion for some people Gary and they want to enjoy it in comfort and however else they please. Now if you just want to turn up and go home after fair play, go for it, you STILL HAVE THE OPTION in Belfast!! If you want to make a weekend of it and stay over in Omagh you're options are pretty limited. So let's give everyone THE OPTION how they want to enjoy their teams day in the sun!! Remember some of us, and your own county included, don't get very many!!

Why shouldn't the governement contribute the the development of the stadium, they have a duty to provide for their population. If you think that the Irish didn't cough up for croke and it was solely paid for by the GAA you are deluded!! And where does the money go? Into promoting games home and abroad, just watched on TV that they are giving New York 2 million to help develop Gaelic park and facilities. Move with the times man!
As for your trol comment, you ignoramus, read my previous posts and you will see I don't share the same views as Ulsterman.
I will not justify your broken record drivel with another response, you don't speak for the majority, you don't even take them into consideration, you do however belong in the ham sandwich brigade who don't put their hands in their pockets or generate any revenue on match day and want as cheap a day out as possible!!"
Apologies for the frequent typos in my last post. I typed it on my iPhone while simultaneously trying to keep and eye on the kids. Anyway, you get the gist.

oso (Antrim) - Posts: 168 - 05/06/2016 19:11:17    1861892

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Oh no Gary I am very unique my friend. There is me and only me. The Mods would confirm that I post solely under Ulsterman and NO ONE else. I never could understand that multi names nonsense anyway.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 05/06/2016 20:49:03    1861966

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No I am Ulsterman..... :-)

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 05/06/2016 22:05:05    1862007

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If my points are so Irrelevant, why do you oppose them so strongly? Why do some Antrim posters use more than one Profile to get their point across.
EXAMPLE: Do you ever notice patterns in how some people word things, I noted recently a strong similarity between an Antrim poster here on this thread and another Infamous Antrim poster on a different main topic thread. Subtle things like spelling and order of wording give this away.

Perhaps if you review the 11 pages, you will note one common theme. Not one genuine or logical argument has been put forward in favour of Casement, which refutes the Anti-Belfast notion.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts:2378 - 05/01/2015 14:25:15

Gary I was just looking back over this thread and found your paranoid accusations of Antrim posters having multiple profiles then too. Ive never understood the need for more than one profile myself tbh, more hassle than its worth.
We all do love a good conspiracy theory though and surely there cant be any more than 2 or 3 gaels in antrim.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 06/06/2016 10:42:44    1862072

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Funny thing though bumper is that it should be easy enough for the Moderators to be able to identify if there is someone using multiple user names. I say to Gary to put up or shut up and say exactly who all you think is the one person rather than keep coming back to it but not saying who. Let's be having you.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 06/06/2016 11:14:49    1862089

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I agree - I don't know why anyone would be holed having more than one profile - it is just a debating forum and not a voting poll - but as Offside says put-up or shut-up - though to be honest I am just interested in who among us you see strong enough similarities to lead you to this conclusion. I hope it is not the like of myself and bumper or Ulsterman as I know they are both chip eating McCooeys while I am a big scallion eating Culchie bumpkin.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 06/06/2016 11:42:58    1862108

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I'm SaffronDon yes I'm the real Don all you other SaffDon's are just Immatating, so won't the real SaffDon please stand up, please stand up. grow up Gary! you've been spouting muck on here for ages and nothing you say is going to happen or make a difference anyway. you must be pretty tired of listening to yourself on this topic at this stage, I know I am.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 06/06/2016 15:08:44    1862274

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Gary
You have wiped the floor with no one!
oso (Antrim) - Posts:142 - 05/06/2016 17:20:44

I absolutely wiped the floor with you.

When lacking a strong counter argument, you resorted to personal attacks on me. The "Straw man" effect, where the person or persons with a weaker argument try and create sub-argument which they feel they can win or discredit their opponent.

Example: You focus on Derry people apparently all having anti-Belfast sentiments, you call me miserable and say my views are outdated etc. You stated nobody would travel to Omagh or somewhere more rural than Belfast for major concerts, I then highlighted Slane and Kilkenny as proof you were wrong. You then wonder why I'm going on about Slane, possibly ignorant to its relevance.

This is why you lost the argument, because you moved away from the key argument and made wild statements which I countered factually and you failed to address that, instead continuing to be insulting in the hope that would somehow discredit my argument on why Casement isn't ideal as Ulster's Provincial Stadium.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 06/06/2016 17:55:13    1862367

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Replying To bumpernut:  "If my points are so Irrelevant, why do you oppose them so strongly? Why do some Antrim posters use more than one Profile to get their point across.
EXAMPLE: Do you ever notice patterns in how some people word things, I noted recently a strong similarity between an Antrim poster here on this thread and another Infamous Antrim poster on a different main topic thread. Subtle things like spelling and order of wording give this away.

Perhaps if you review the 11 pages, you will note one common theme. Not one genuine or logical argument has been put forward in favour of Casement, which refutes the Anti-Belfast notion.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts:2378 - 05/01/2015 14:25:15

Gary I was just looking back over this thread and found your paranoid accusations of Antrim posters having multiple profiles then too. Ive never understood the need for more than one profile myself tbh, more hassle than its worth.
We all do love a good conspiracy theory though and surely there cant be any more than 2 or 3 gaels in antrim."
Gary I was just looking back over this thread and found your paranoid accusations of Antrim posters having multiple profiles then too. Ive never understood the need for more than one profile myself tbh, more hassle than its worth.
We all do love a good conspiracy theory though and surely there cant be any more than 2 or 3 gaels in antrim.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts:1251 - 06/06/2016 10:42:44

It wasn't just the way things are written bumpernut, there were a couple of other things I noted last year that I maybe didn't mention such as the timing of posts, I noted some posters always posted within 30 minutes of each other and not in the evenings either. So you could get two or maybe 3 posts at 10am in the morning and then nothing for 8 hours.

Moderators can't tell who has multiple profiles, as that would only work if you use the same email address for each one. And while I suspect this, It's very hard to ever scientifically prove it without have software experts accessing each users computer or whatever.

I only mention it, as Antrim posters sneer about my single voice still banging on about this, its me versus their multiple voices. As if I am so outnumbered, that my argument can't possibly be valid. Yet the people from outside of Antrim that did comment on here mostly agreed that Casement is not ideal for a Provincial Stadium. In reality its me arguing against Antrim, no matter how many Antrim voices are on here. So numbers mean nothing in that regard.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 06/06/2016 18:05:50    1862374

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IP addresses Gary - can tell a lot about who is who.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 06/06/2016 19:57:31    1862431

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most of the other Antrim posters on here have been posting for a lot longer than this thread has existed and given the fact that I have shared many opinions on the Antrim forum as well as the main forum with these posters I would say that I am in a decent position to conclude that each are from different parts of our county, from different clubs and have many mixed views on issues across a wide range of debates. I don't always agree with some Antrim posters and we've had many back and forth's but I've never felt as though any of them are doing a double act to get one over me.

Your problem Gary, is that you are a one man band on this topic and are now playing the victim tune. I guess your last resort is to come off with something as daft and desperate as that, sad really. I see you have yet to name these suspicious posters, or did the admin find it as ridiculous as the rest of us did and blocked it?

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 06/06/2016 20:54:13    1862472

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "IP addresses Gary - can tell a lot about who is who."
How many Laptops and tablets do you have at home? There are 3 laptops and 1 tablet in our house, and not to mention using PC's at work and smartphones which I can log into HS with. You simply can't track users that easily unless they consistently use the one Laptop, desktop or whatever.

I didn't name posters who I thought were one and the same, as It would be hard to prove with actual hard data from their PC or Laptop etc. And you don't need to be a rocket scientist to see where that argument ends up, so I didn't name the posters at that time, but still suspect I am correct in suspecting this to be the case.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/06/2016 17:37:38    1863016

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "most of the other Antrim posters on here have been posting for a lot longer than this thread has existed and given the fact that I have shared many opinions on the Antrim forum as well as the main forum with these posters I would say that I am in a decent position to conclude that each are from different parts of our county, from different clubs and have many mixed views on issues across a wide range of debates. I don't always agree with some Antrim posters and we've had many back and forth's but I've never felt as though any of them are doing a double act to get one over me.

Your problem Gary, is that you are a one man band on this topic and are now playing the victim tune. I guess your last resort is to come off with something as daft and desperate as that, sad really. I see you have yet to name these suspicious posters, or did the admin find it as ridiculous as the rest of us did and blocked it?"
Your problem Gary, is that you are a one man band on this topic and are now playing the victim tune.

The above statement perfectly sums up why somebody might choose to create multiple profiles on here, essentially you are telling me that
"Your are one Gary, but we are many", suggesting you feel the number of different posters on this topic determines who is right/wrong.

I guess your last resort is to come off with something as daft and desperate as that, sad really.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:723 - 06/06/2016 20:54:13

You close with a personal attack, perhaps what I said hit a little bit too close to the nerve.

Look this is a Straw man argument, which Antrim posters seem content to continue for obvious reasons, which is understandable considering none of you have provided a decent argument for the Provincial Stadium being located in Belfast.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/06/2016 17:54:13    1863034

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Just have a read of this Gary. Will save me a lot of technical jargon you make not be familiar with:

http://www.howtogeek.com/148664/how-and-why-all-devices-in-your-home-share-one-ip-address/

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 07/06/2016 18:55:12    1863075

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "Your problem Gary, is that you are a one man band on this topic and are now playing the victim tune.

The above statement perfectly sums up why somebody might choose to create multiple profiles on here, essentially you are telling me that
"Your are one Gary, but we are many", suggesting you feel the number of different posters on this topic determines who is right/wrong.

I guess your last resort is to come off with something as daft and desperate as that, sad really.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:723 - 06/06/2016 20:54:13

You close with a personal attack, perhaps what I said hit a little bit too close to the nerve.

Look this is a Straw man argument, which Antrim posters seem content to continue for obvious reasons, which is understandable considering none of you have provided a decent argument for the Provincial Stadium being located in Belfast."
so because I make a general summary of how this thread has been since day one I am obviously using multiple accounts to tackle you and your silly fantasy stadium posts? LOL get over yourself! if you want an honest answer, I refer to us vs you so much because it's indeniable that after three years of discussing this topic, nobody on here has thought it worthwhile to argue on the same side as yourself consistently. Why is that? I've had to step back because these arguments are going in circles but every now and then I see the casement park thread and I can do nothing but shake my head at the fact your still making the same points over and over again and none of them mean anything in the real world. what are you trying to achieve in all these posts? because your ideas, right or wrong, WILL NOT HAPPEN. now do we need another 50 pages of nonsense arguments or can we wrap this up?

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 08/06/2016 16:24:41    1863724

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "Just have a read of this Gary. Will save me a lot of technical jargon you make not be familiar with:

Was" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.howtogeek.com/148664/how-and-why-all-devices-in-your-home-share-one-ip-address/"
Was what I said incorrect?

Example:
- Does my work Desktop PC's share the same IP address as my Laptop at home? As I often log in to HS from both, and also from different work sites using two or three different Laptops.
- Can my IP address on my home Wi-Fi change?
- What if I connect to the Internet at home by tethering from my mobile phone data?

Look unless you use the same Laptop or device on the same network non-stop for years on end, your IP address will change. And even using the same device connected to the same router, it can still change.

My point stands, your probably still using a desktop in your Mums house, as otherwise you would have thought better of posting that. Just have a read of this Offside, a guide to moving out of your parents house, even in your 40's or 50's
http://www.burstingthebubble.com/leavehome.htm

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 08/06/2016 19:51:11    1863838

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so because I make a general summary of how this thread has been since day one I am obviously using multiple accounts to tackle you and your silly fantasy stadium posts? LOL get over yourself! if you want an honest answer, I refer to us vs you so much because it's indeniable that after three years of discussing this topic, nobody on here has thought it worthwhile to argue on the same side as yourself consistently.

Again you refer to my lacking support, ignoring that only a very small percentage of GAA people Nationally actually use forums or HS in particular. Yes in a insular world, I might think I am outnumbered or give up. But its clear outside of HS that people are opposed to this project for various different reasons, and in truth it is only Antrim posters on here supporting it.

Why is that? I've had to step back because these arguments are going in circles but every now and then I see the casement park thread and I can do nothing but shake my head at the fact your still making the same points over and over again and none of them mean anything in the real world.

I absolutely do make the same points over and over again, because my argument is actually quite strong and my specific points are valid and I fully expect Antrim posters will strongly oppose me, as they naturally stand to gain the most from this seriously flawed proposal. Whenever I go over the same thing again and again, the Antrim posters show again and again that a Provincial Stadium in Belfast serves nobody in Ulster apart from the IRFU, British Gov, Sinn Fein and Antrim GAA.

what are you trying to achieve in all these posts? because your ideas, right or wrong, WILL NOT HAPPEN. now do we need another 50 pages of nonsense arguments or can we wrap this up?
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:725 - 08/06/2016 16:24:41

I seem to recall some of you telling me that Ulster final 2016 will likely be held in Casement, yet it hasn't even started yet.
At a GAA meeting last night, quite a few people seemed unaware that a cheaper more logistical pleasing Provincial option was never even explored due to political powers pushing it through without debate. Don't confuse one poster on here, with a general disregard for where such a Stadium is located. Most people assumed all avenues are explored before big decisions are made, but clearly not in this case.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 08/06/2016 20:22:14    1863857

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