Dublin will beat Kerry in the final. In fact, Dublin would beat the pick of Mayo Kerry and Donegal. Donegal haven't a hope and Kerry will need another ref like they had today if they are to have a chance.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 30/08/2014 21:53:48    1644971

30/08/2014 20:46:12
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No mention of the appalling kick by Cillian o Connor on killian young

Exactly. Kerry did not adopt Mayo's tactic from the first game of roaring into the face of their opponent after scoring. Fionn Fitzgerald was shown a black card and we did not have any complaints. The black card is a bit harsh in a way that the player cannot comeback on for extra-time. If a man is sent off in normal time, you are back to 15 players for extra-time. I would have thought a black carded player would be allowed back on for extra-time. Seems like a double punishment in some respects. Even Mayo supporters at the game said the same.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7865 - 31/08/2014 09:15:57    1645018

Ah come off it Donie knows how to target the marquee players just like big Joe And Mickey did long time ago a great Norther Gael who rose to the higher echelons of the association was quoted as saying to win an All Ireland you need to be clinical and sometimes cynical maybe Kerry are entering that loop they have a penchant for adapting to the mores of the time,catch and kick ,hand pass
Footpads body check you name it they seem to master it they can throw off the blanket for the silk shirt all in a jiffy. Of bad refs they have had their share PJ Mc Grath S Bannon Joe Mc Quillan they shut up regroup and get on with it . I for one will not write them off a great team dies and from the ashes another is born. Look at the back room M Sheehy E Fitzmaurice D Murphy enough All Ireland medals to sink the Titanic. There will always be a Kerry the rest of us admire and imitate them.

aeroplane (Offaly) - Posts: 133 - 31/08/2014 10:00:22    1645032

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30/08/2014 20:46:12
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1644849
No mention of the appalling kick by Cillian o Connor on killian young

Exactly. Kerry did not adopt Mayo's tactic from the first game of roaring into the face of their opponent after scoring. Fionn Fitzgerald was shown a black card and we did not have any complaints. The black card is a bit harsh in a way that the player cannot comeback on for extra-time. If a man is sent off in normal time, you are back to 15 players for extra-time. I would have thought a black carded player would be allowed back on for extra-time. Seems like a double punishment in some respects. Even Mayo supporters at the game said the same.

O Connor's kick was dirty no doubt and deserved the red.
The exception to the roaring and mouthing on Kerry side is Donaghy who seems to spend a lot of time complaining to the ref or yapping to an opponent. Did well for ye yesterday but should just get on with the football.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 31/08/2014 10:18:39    1645038

Not pretty at the end by Kerry. We'll done to them....For years we've been too nice. Cork of the double team, Meath in 90s, Tyrone and Armagh and Donegal and to a lesser extent Dublin all mix it when needed. Why can't we?

aido_d (Kerry) - Posts: 16 - 31/08/2014 10:21:42    1645039

The tackling and physicality of Kerry was unreal .....but yea they had to adapt and nobody can take it from them that they have some class footballers too...suppose the GAA's dream is for the old romance to be rekindled and the Dubs to win today, heres hopn, felt sorry for Mayo, its cruel on them but well done to Kerry...

Mollymalone (Dublin) - Posts: 1137 - 31/08/2014 10:25:39    1645041

Someone needs to look at Donaghy from a broad perspective. Someone commented well around the '11 final, he just gets involved in silly stuff really. He doesn't show any sign of changing. From his basketball background he should know better and should get on with the game. It is silly stuff though as I say more than anything and nowhere near anything like roaring into an opponent when scoring. Donaghy did once though alright, not sure if it was against Armagh or someone but in fairness he did apologise after the game for it and accept that that carry on was not acceptable. It's not the Kerry way.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7865 - 31/08/2014 10:25:45    1645042

Rubbish comment. Kerry started the fight to slow down the game? Its simple to get around it... Just dont get involved and react if your anyway clever as a Mayo man and the red cards will start coming Kerrys way if that was the case. To be honest the fighting was more based around Mayos frustration at knowing all their hard work was going to fall just short, as well as being absolutely out on their feet in terms of fitness. As for people saying they were going down too easy, there was players dropping all over the field in extra time. Including 2 Mayo men with 20 minutes of added time already played out around the middle, when they needed a goal! Players aren't used to 90 minutes of hard intensity football and cant handle it. Especially after a 6 day turnaround for the older veterans like O' Mahony and O' Se...

Edmundomee (Kerry) - Posts: 6 - 31/08/2014 10:30:48    1645045

the fight near the end was nearly stopped before it got worse, till a mayo player ran a good bit to shoulder one of the kerry players in the back to start the fight all over again and mayo's sideline man had no business coming onto the field getting stuck into declan o sullivan,

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 31/08/2014 11:13:18    1645069

Billy Morgan was slated off a few years ago, 2007 i think for labelling Kerry a cynical team. Kerry have always been cynical. I remember Seamus Moynihan hanging off Colin Corkery all day in the 2002 all-ireland semi-final and it was corkery who was sent off that day.

Kerry teams are relentless at pulling jerseys and off the ball tactics. Its bred into them.

The_Bull (Cork) - Posts: 248 - 31/08/2014 11:14:22    1645074

A lot of people seem to be using last nights match as a tool to justify their hatred of Kerry , I was at the game as a neutral and the only punch I saw in the match was done By cillian O Connor in the first half on Enright , the game could have went either way but as it happens Kerry won, move on , life is short

hurler32 (Limerick) - Posts: 867 - 31/08/2014 11:32:08    1645086

Shock horror, a team that won a hard close game had tactics, Tyrone Armagh Dublin,Cork, previous Kerry teams never had tactics to win Sams, guys get real on here.

kerryrowz (Kerry) - Posts: 833 - 31/08/2014 12:21:32    1645111

Kerry deserve credit for their massive cojones, well done.

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 31/08/2014 12:50:58    1645129

The rules are more at fault than Kerry. Good teams seek an edge and Kerry sought one yesterday.

The black card was brought in controversially but having seen it throughout the League I thought it was doing an alright job and as time went on, I thought it would improve the game. It hasn't though.

There is one problem with referees not giving blacks for black card offences then giving blacks for red card offences but we always feared at the end of the close match, the black card would be of no benefit and so it proved yesterday.

There was a time earlier this year when Eugene McGee wasn't off the radio. I would like to hear his thoughts on yesterday's cynicism and what he plans to do to eradicate that.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 31/08/2014 12:51:01    1645130

I also think Cillian O'Connor's red card highlights a major gap that exists in the rules. Mayo wanted to take a quick free and a Kerry man basically picked up the ball and ran away with it until he ran into O'Connor's trip. O'Connor was wrong to trip him but he reacted to blatant time wasting and cynicism by a Kerry player. There is absolutely nothing to discourage a player doing what the Kerry player did, in fact it's an incentive when you see the biggest loser was O'Connor. WOuld retrospective punishment for the Kerry player be inappropriate in this instance or what punishment do people think fits the Kerry player's crime?

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 31/08/2014 12:58:09    1645132

There have been a number of responses to this - thanks to everyone. We may not agree - and I may not be right - but I do think we should be discussing these matters. I will limit my remaining comments on this to the following:

Teams playing inter county football are desperate to progress. Kerry, understandably desperate to win this replay, were prepared to adopt a particular approach to close out the game. I consider that approach worthy of noting by starting this thread. Why ?

Because some (but not all) of the more high profile commentators and some (but again not all) of the more vocal posters have a "one gear" template which they use to explain why certain teams get certain results. If some teams adopt the "start a fight: win the game" tactic, it can get characterised as further evidence of a supposed time honoured truth. At the same time, when other teams do the same it gets brushed aside, and we're invited to wipe clean our memories. Sorry, but a one dimensional attitude isn't good enough.

Kerry, due of their record of success, remain the touchstone for many in the game. Rightly so.
But please, let's not regard games that had "everything" as equalling performances that were only positive.

Knoxboyo (Monaghan) - Posts: 170 - 31/08/2014 13:08:22    1645138

Total neutral here and firstly both teams have to be complemented on the game/entertainment provided to those at the game and us in TV land. However the last five minutes left a bitter taste in the mouth, the last couple of pull downs on the mayo players have to be punished through the rule book in someway. I do not blame the players involved in it as we would all wanna see our own club/county players do it in the the same situation. The obvious thing is a sin bin, black card has not worked and needs to be done away with, and most importantly the referees have to be encouraged to use it.

catchturnscore (Longford) - Posts: 149 - 31/08/2014 13:16:20    1645145

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1645132 I also think Cillian O'Connor's red card highlights a major gap that exists in the rules. Mayo wanted to take a quick free and a Kerry man basically picked up the ball and ran away with it until he ran into O'Connor's trip. O'Connor was wrong to trip him but he reacted to blatant time wasting and cynicism by a Kerry player. There is absolutely nothing to discourage a player doing what the Kerry player did, in fact it's an incentive when you see the biggest loser was O'Connor. WOuld retrospective punishment for the Kerry player be inappropriate in this instance or what punishment do people think fits the Kerry player's crime?[/i

Absolutely, the Kerry player, Killian Young I think, clearly tries to damage Cillian O'Connors boot/studs with his thigh when he is running out with the ball. The Mayo man was lucky to emerge with his boot intact.

The rules are more at fault than Kerry

I'd agree with that. It's almost impossible to get a goal in the last few minutes if you're a few points behind.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 31/08/2014 15:09:40    1645200

The schemozzle or whatever at the end came about when Donaghy was pinged for a free and just would not let go of the ball. A Mayo player, understandably, was trying to drag it off him. Then a Kerry man would come in to pull the Mayo man away, then a Mayo man would come in, and before you know it we have one of these unsightly WWF style royal rumbles which suited Kerry down to the ground at that stage of the match.

It seems to me that a lot of these mass-wrestling matches stem from a penalized player refusing to give the ball back to the freetaker. The ref will sometimes move the ball forward the token 10 yards but it's not much of a deterrent, the guilty team have disrupted the momentum of the other team and have got players back in position.

I watch a fair bit of Aussie Rules and if a penalized player refuses to give the ball back to the other team and retreat the appropriate distance IMMEDIATELY, and I do mean immediately, no remonstrating with refs, standing in front of the kicker etc., the ref moves the ball forward FIFTY METRES. None of this mickey mouse 10 yards nonsense. So any sort of acting the maggot by the penalized team and they're conceding a certain score.

I think something similar is badly needed in football. Perhaps make it more punitive, refusal to give the ball back for a free inside the 21 (such as what Donaghy did yesterday) and the free kick should become a 2-point score. Last night's carry-on at the end can't be allowed to continue.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 31/08/2014 16:00:27    1645209