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Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 03/08/2014 21:22:03    1630990

jonno
County: Kildare
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Its a bit boring at this stage. You have Cavan & Antrim supporters talking up ulster as if it somehow raises their own status. Well it dosent and its a disservice to the quality Ulster teams that are still in the championship. For an Antrim supporter to redicule Kildare defending is typical of the type of provincial biased rubbish that stirs response.
To the Cavan supporter I can't remember the last time Kildare were in Division 3, but they were in Division 1 when Mcgeeney took over and when he left so again its like saying we could never be in division one without an Ulster manager which is completely wrong. When were Cavan ever in Division ?

Hillarious because being from Antrim dilutes my right to support Ulster teams or be proud of Ulster teams achievements.

Hillarious because being from Antrim I should not be able to judge whether defending is good or bad.

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 03/08/2014 21:44:18    1631009

Ulster has Donegal, Armagh, Monaghan, 3 teams in the last 8, Donegal minors in the semi, Cavan in the junior semi, hopefully a cup, or two will come back to Ulster, in senior i would not write off Tyrone, Derry, Cavan, Down, in the future, yes Ulster is still as strong as ever.Dublin is the top senior team, and i would have Monaghan, Donegal up beside them.

mchugh11 (Donegal) - Posts: 242 - 04/08/2014 12:43:46    1631161

Jonno, I am not a trained chef studying under the Roux brothers but I still know what food I like and don't like and not being a top cook doesn't stop me expressing an opinion on food SO saying that Antrim people have no right to express an opinion or support others is quite ridiculous. You could also say what are Irish people doing wearing Man Utd/Liverpool tops and sitting in bars roaring at English football when they have no attachment to them. Swings and roundabouts my friend.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 04/08/2014 12:55:56    1631173

ulster rugby league is as bad as ever. all terrified of playing football

ball123boy (Mayo) - Posts: 13 - 04/08/2014 15:14:13    1631267

ulster rugby league is as bad as ever. all terrified of playing football

Yeah that Monaghan and Kildare match was terrible alright. Armagh only scored 16 points from play as well. Side note considering you're from Mayo, if Aidan O'Shea was from Tyrone he'd be crucified by Brolly for diving.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 04/08/2014 15:47:17    1631295

ulster rugby league is as bad as ever. all terrified of playing football

Was listening to the games yesterday on RTE radio as was travelling up from the Whest. At half time in the first game it was said that it was like "watching the death of Gaelic football" and in the second game they were saying that Cork were going with the 13 man defence again and it was uttered on a number of occassions that there was cynical play going on. Defensive play, cynical fouls and not an Ulster team in sight - surely not!

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 04/08/2014 15:49:40    1631297

Surely not Offside, you must have entered some parallel universe because that doesn't sound right to me.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 04/08/2014 16:24:41    1631315

ball123boy
County: Mayo
Posts: 7

1631267 ulster rugby league is as bad as ever. all terrified of playing football

I had to laugh at this posting and thought to myself is that the same county who when playing Down in 2012, pulled, dragged, blocked and fouled any attack or attacks we were mounting.

Down maybe guilty of many things but one thing we as a county have always done is try to play and win games and hopefully entertain supporters (naive I know) but since watching Mayo that day I couldnt care less about their curse or if they never win the all-ireland

Tim_Burr (Down) - Posts: 460 - 04/08/2014 16:51:45    1631331

I've never quite fully understood the pride of the province malark. If its based on anything it logically should be neighbourhood affiliation. But if that was so why would Antrim or Down people take pride in Donegal or Tyrone's achievements and vice versa? They are not neighbours. It would make more sense for Donegal people to take some pride in Leitrim or Sligo's achievements and Down in Louth's. Its more than odd.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1658 - 04/08/2014 17:36:47    1631363

Its more than odd.

It's not that odd, people from the other provinces have a tendency to refer to Ulster football as if it's a monolith as well. Obviously 'Ulster football' gets a lot of stick as well so maybe that makes people here a bit defensive. Not gonna get into politics but maybe the Northern Ireland stuff (badly put but you know what I mean) means there's a bit of a difference as well - newspapers up here will mainly focus on Ulster football etc.

Also I think most people like to see other Ulster counties do well, but it's nowhere near the same passion one would have for supporting your own county, and I think a lot of people from Derry and Armagh wouldn't exactly be Tyrone fans for example.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 04/08/2014 18:02:12    1631373

MichaelO
County: Tyrone
Posts: 719

I accept there is a stereotype at play in terms of how non Ulster GAA fans view Ulster but at the same time Ulster GAA fans are pretty good at living by those same standards when it suits them so i'm not sure which is stronger and what exactly is the main driver behind this siege like mentality. I do think its odd when someone from East Antrim tows in behind a side from the North West coast. I would find it odd if someone from Dublin would tow in behind Longford etc just because they happen to be from Leinster.

I'll put it this way, there will perhaps be 70k in Croker on Saturday. Hypothetically, 40k from Dublin and 30k from all Donegal, Monaghan and Armagh. If the Dublin-Monaghan game is close in the final quarter you could bet your house on the remaining Donegal/Armagh fans rowing in behind Monaghan. Even those, as you have said from counties with intense rivalries and they may not like each other, still row in behind their Ulster counterpart. Its transcends the underdog status and becomes something more, something i would label 'odd'.

Simply, if the shoe was on the other foot, and Donegal was in with four Leinster sides i would be seriously surprised if the same level of enthusiasm was present for our so called neighbours against the Ulster side.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1658 - 04/08/2014 18:24:20    1631386

Mayo still bitter after so many final defeats , being so cynical hurts them !

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 04/08/2014 18:30:26    1631391

I was going to post something similar MichaelO. I think the provincial pride is in evidence more so in Ulster due to the criticism that arose about the style of 'Ulster' football, especially in the early noughties and the emergence of Armagh/Tyrone as AI winners.
Since then, it appears that gaels from all Ulster counties sometimes feel the need to defend the style & quality of any/all footballing teams from the province. And so, we have threads like this.
People are entitled to their opinion in my view. I've no problem with an Antrim poster talking up the football or defending the style of play of my county or another. I do have fun reading the heated responses though.

In terms of the provincial debate, if there needs to be one, I do think Ulster football teams have benefited in the AI series, since the introduction of the qualifiers, from the more competitive nature of the field year-on-year in the Ulster championship, but I don't think Ulster will ever have more than 1 or 2 genuine AI contenders in any given year which is all any other province has.

Back to season at hand, I do think Dublin will have too much for any team on that side of the draw, although I hope I'm proved wrong. I'd love to see Dublin lose to Donegal in the semi-final this year. I'd still take some joy in seeing them beaten by anyone else too. That is because, in my opinion and a lot of others, they're the best team in the country and it comes with the territory of being the best that some fans just enjoy seeing an upset or the favourite dumped out.

DeeJee (Donegal) - Posts: 4 - 04/08/2014 18:35:52    1631395

as much as I don't like to admit it I think Dublin beating monaghan and then Armagh/Donegal will be the best thing for direct football. the way Dublin play football is exciting to watch, and maybe if they win again other teams will realise the blanket defence is not the way to go.

meathalltheway (Meath) - Posts: 789 - 04/08/2014 18:41:36    1631399

as much as I don't like to admit it I think Dublin beating monaghan and then Armagh/Donegal will be the best thing for direct football. the way Dublin play football is exciting to watch, and maybe if they win again other teams will realise the blanket defence is not the way to go.

All teams play a form of a blanket defense, albeit to different degrees. If Dublin tried to play man to man against Monaghan they would lose.

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 04/08/2014 20:38:08    1631487

MichealO
Well I am in agreement with you and as I'm a long time on the road politics would or has entered my calculations when supporting other Ulster counties , especially the six countie teams. I remember growing up as a young fella and the hatred people around my area had for partition. So we had a lot of sympathy for the Northern GAELS /People.
Also the first teams I saw play was FermanaghDerry Down Armagh and Cavan so I had no bother supporting those counties playing against Southern Teams.
Plus Ulster had good Railway cup teams and Donegal players got a chance to play with Down men and Cavan men ( the sixties I'm talking about ) so I always supported any Ulster team in the AI semi/Final.
The more the Media/rte pundits critise Ulster football and critise JMcG the more I row in behind Ulster football/JMcG
As for the Dub post of course I will be supporting Monaghan Sat night.
As regards the Antrim post supporting the like of Donegal , we as a tourist County get a lot of people from Antrim and all over Ulster as visitors so he could have good friends in Donegal or he could be familiar with Donegal football. But I do hope we give him plenty to cheer about in the coming weeks and he would be welcome to meet SAM in the diamond in late September.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 04/08/2014 21:05:20    1631522

JP91
County: Armagh
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as much as I don't like to admit it I think Dublin beating monaghan and then Armagh/Donegal will be the best thing for direct football. the way Dublin play football is exciting to watch, and maybe if they win again other teams will realise the blanket defence is not the way to go.

All teams play a form of a blanket defense, albeit to different degrees. If Dublin tried to play man to man against Monaghan they would lose.


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Surely you don't believe that. If Monaghan go man to man with Dublin this game will be over at half time. Dublin know only one way and that is man to man and all out attack. The philosophy is simple, score more than the opposition. If Monaghan don't play a blanket and don't try to stifle Dublin then they will be in real trouble from the start as they won't live with Dublin's pace.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 04/08/2014 21:24:14    1631541

Spot on Sam; the abuse Donegal and Jimmy took 2 years ago from the Dublin media, GAA snobs and bigoted anti-Ulster elements was scandalous. I thought they were brilliant in their tactics and I really enjoyed watching the system Donegal used. It is all about geography; the Southern press and many GAA folk there just don't like anything to do with Ulster and the way our teams don't bow and lie down to Kerry and Dublin. It is prejudice and nothing else. Meath were battering teams all over the place in the 80's and 90's (just ask Peter Canavan) and there wasn't a tenth of criticism towards their tactics. I will always cheer on my fellow Ulstermen from whatever county against other sides because I know if they win it will annoy a hell of a lot of people outside our province. Our sides play with fire and fight in their bellies and a with a touch of stuff you attitude and long may that continue.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 04/08/2014 21:42:32    1631559

Ulsterman you d swear its the world against ulster every post you make your haven ago at some one from a different provinces.Your a bitter man.

Midlu1 (Louth) - Posts: 790 - 04/08/2014 22:02:07    1631575