Naysayer
County: Antrim
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Actually looking at Dublin playing in the qualifiers in 2001, 2003 and 2004 there was a good mix of home and away games (4 home, 3 away). It was only when you get to 2010 that all 3 qualifier games, against Tipperary, Armagh and Louth, were played in Croke Park.

Maybe peoples perception is more formed by recent memory.

dublin came out of the hat as the home team in 2010 for them matches
had they have been pulled out as the away team they would have played in the other county grounds.
going back to the 60tys dublin rarely lost a championship game outside of croke park

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/04/2014 21:47:27    1576591

http://www.independent.ie/tablet/sport/billy-keane-time-for-croke-park-to-take-a-hit-and-send-dubs-on-the-road-30199955.html

another whinging article
its amazing when we are winning its croke park is the reason
he failed to point out dublin had a better recored outside croke park
between 70tys and 2006 when we played plenty of games on the road
although that wouldnt suit his arguement no doubt

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/04/2014 10:13:51    1577451

JayP
County: Dublin
Posts: 700

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Latest version of a rehashed argument on here.

Dublin County Board do not control fixtures or the allocation of grounds. Wouldn't mind a trip away, sure look at the numbers up in Tyrone and in Mullingar this year in the league. Dublin fans will travel.

A double header in Croke Park early in the Championship where Kildare or Meath and Dublin are involved in ties brings a fairly decent crowd.

Unfortunately I disagree about Portlaoise etc being a capable venue for holding Dublin Football games. Access to Portlaoise, and parking are really bad around Portlaoise. And Dublin playing Laois away will bring a massive swell in numbers. The hurling match against Kilkenny caused significant problems and parking is inadequate around the stadium. Now you may say this is similar with Croke Park but the bus/train system around Croke Park is handy enough for getting in and around Croke Park.

If the Dublin football bandwagon was brought to Portlaoise things like parking/policing becomes an issue. I know people will say "hang on, Dublin used to play away" but the numbers travelling to games are bigger than ever. Traffic disruption, policing and parking are all issues.

And then comes finances, Dublin in Croke Park is a financial winner for the GAA, unfortunately that's just the way it is.

All in all, I'm all for a sunny day down in Thurles/Portlaoise/Navan....... Dublin don't become a poorer team by playing away. I understand the frustration of fans of other counties, but the Leinster Council decide the venues in consultation with Croke Park, so its a question for them to answer. Dublin fans are quite happy to travel.....but we don't mind playing in Croke Park either for obvious reasons!



What a load of crap. 44,000 supporters would go to Munster championship matches and no one complains about parking.Dublin do not bring 40,50 or 60 thousand to away games. The problem is that they are playing 2 many games in Croke Park and against teams who are of the same level it is a massive advantage to be playing at home. I know it is not Dublin supporters fault but something will have to be done about it.

rebeltrev (Cork) - Posts: 344 - 20/04/2014 11:29:54    1577518

rebeltrev
County: Cork
Posts: 318


What a load of crap. 44,000 supporters would go to Munster championship matches and no one complains about parking

What a load of crap indeed rebeltrev! Try and read Jayp's post again regarding parking.

He's only talking about in the case of Portlaoise. Last time I checked (now granted I am a Dub so my geography outside the M50 isn't great so hopefully you'll help me!) Portlaoise rarely, if ever, gets Munster Championship matches owing to the fact that it is in Leinster ;)

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13709 - 20/04/2014 11:36:51    1577530

20/04/2014 11:29:54
rebeltrev
County: Cork
Posts: 318



What a load of crap. 44,000 supporters would go to Munster championship matches and no one complains about parking.Dublin do not bring 40,50 or 60 thousand to away games. The problem is that they are playing 2 many games in Croke Park and against teams who are of the same level it is a massive advantage to be playing at home. I know it is not Dublin supporters fault but something will have to be done about it.

Sure Cork cant fill Pairc Ui Rinn for football league. and when Cork played Clare in Munster Football Final in Limerick in 2012 only 9,000 majority which was Clare fans.Cork football fans only travel for Kerry,All Ireland Semi Finals/Finals

Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 20/04/2014 11:41:26    1577539

MesAmis
County: Dublin
Posts: 7174

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rebeltrev
County: Cork
Posts: 318


What a load of crap. 44,000 supporters would go to Munster championship matches and no one complains about parking

What a load of crap indeed rebeltrev! Try and read Jayp's post again regarding parking.

He's only talking about in the case of Portlaoise. Last time I checked (now granted I am a Dub so my geography outside the M50 isn't great so hopefully you'll help me!) Portlaoise rarely, if ever, gets Munster Championship matches owing to the fact that it is in Leinster ;)


My point is that stop complaining about parking. It is a pathetic excuse. Did you ever hear of the train....no?????????

rebeltrev (Cork) - Posts: 344 - 20/04/2014 11:42:27    1577540

i live quite close to O'Moore park and attended yesterdays matches, 6 counties played there yesterday and i am open to other peoples point of view but i saw no traffic problems yesterday everything running smooth plenty of stewarts pitch looked in great condition, train and moterway beside pitch i really can't see a reason to take Dublin out of Croke Park every now and again. Last point and i am open to correction the person i was sitting beside Dublin person had view that Bernard Brogan has never played a Senior Championship game for Dublin outside Croke Park as i said i'm not sure if this is correct could this be true.

Ger.say (Laois) - Posts: 130 - 20/04/2014 12:08:30    1577555

rebeltrev
County: Cork
Posts: 320


My point is that stop complaining about parking. It is a pathetic excuse. Did you ever hear of the train....no?????????

no your point was to stop complaining about parking in Portlaoise, which is terrible for anything over 10,000.

And how did you make this point? By referencing 40,000 people reguarlily go to matches in another place! C'mon man it was fairly funny!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13709 - 20/04/2014 12:14:50    1577560

rebeltrev

its not dublin complaining about parking it was the gaa
who stated portlaoise cannot cope with a full house of 25 thousand due to the twon centre,lack of parking and huge disturbance to the local area

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/04/2014 12:33:05    1577567

Ger.say
County: Laois
Posts: 104

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i live quite close to O'Moore park and attended yesterdays matches, 6 counties played there yesterday and i am open to other peoples point of view but i saw no traffic problems yesterday everything running smooth plenty of stewarts pitch looked in great condition, train and moterway beside pitch i really can't see a reason to take Dublin out of Croke Park every now and again. Last point and i am open to correction the person i was sitting beside Dublin person had view that Bernard Brogan has never played a Senior Championship game for Dublin outside Croke Park as i said i'm not sure if this is correct could this be true.


there was only 7 thousand people there over the course of the day.
thats abig differance to say 20-25 thousand capacity that the gaa are talking about in a full house scenario.
pitch to me looked in bits at one end could clearly see big patches with no grass.
stewards didnt do much of a job as the crowd were all on the pitch after the first matc and delayed second game trying to get them off
yes train and motorway is great but the twon seemingly cannot cope with a full house the gaa have stated.
I was there last year for the dublin vkilkenny match and 12 thousand people attended and it caused massive delays in the town after the match,I was getting a bus to limerick city and it took two hours to get from the shopping centre in the town
to the roundbaout that brings you to mountrath.
with double the amount expected for a dublin football match the town would be massively effected

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/04/2014 12:39:41    1577571

some valid point there and there has been plenty of days we have been in Croke Park and were sitting in traffic and had a long distance to walk after after finding parking, all i'm saying is there is some options that could that could be looked at, you don't seem to hear Tipp giving out if they have to go to Nolan park or Galway if they have to go to Castlebar for a match

Ger.say (Laois) - Posts: 130 - 20/04/2014 14:20:28    1577617

ger.say. Not only don't we complain about going to Castlebar, we love it. The thought of beating Mayo in their own back yard means we are like children at Christmas time. Not for the last few years mind but the thought of going there this year and ambushing them is salivating. 1998 (Galway v Mayo) was one of the best atmospheres I have been at in any sport. I started this thread and that is my point. The atmosphere at big matches in provincial towns and cities can be magical and everything does not have to be in Croke Park, a good as it is.

galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 20/04/2014 15:37:04    1577646

Ger.say
County: Laois
Posts: 105

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some valid point there and there has been plenty of days we have been in Croke Park and were sitting in traffic and had a long distance to walk after after finding parking, all i'm saying is there is some options that could that could be looked at, you don't seem to hear Tipp giving out if they have to go to Nolan park or Galway if they have to go to Castlebar for a match

im all for portlaoise myself
it has as you say a brilliant motorway and main train line from dublin to cork limerick and kerry as easy access.
a 40 thousand ground there would be ideal for a lot of competitions.
but the town centre is the main problem in portloaise and the position of the ground being so close must be the reason causes mayhem
for residents and people going to and from the match

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/04/2014 18:06:28    1577715

Ger.say
County: Laois
Posts: 105

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i live quite close to O'Moore park and attended yesterdays matches, 6 counties played there yesterday and i am open to other peoples point of view but i saw no traffic problems yesterday everything running smooth plenty of stewarts pitch looked in great condition, train and moterway beside pitch i really can't see a reason to take Dublin out of Croke Park every now and again. Last point and i am open to correction the person i was sitting beside Dublin person had view that Bernard Brogan has never played a Senior Championship game for Dublin outside Croke Park as i said i'm not sure if this is correct could this be true.

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I was there myself yesterday. I think the official attendance was called at 7000 although looked like more to me. But with 7000, cars were parked all the way down to the M7. I can imagine the problems with a full house. All went off smoothly though apart from the pitch invasion debacle between matches.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 20/04/2014 18:43:58    1577731

I don't have any problem with the top Division 1 teams playing Dublin in Croke Park at any stage.But the early rounds of the Leinster championship where they might meet a lower ranked team Division 3/4, these teams should def get their home advantage when its their turn.I know its said its great experience for them playing in Croke Park but when your 20 points down it gets embarrassing. Division 3/4 against Dublin in Croke Park its lambs to the slaughter.At home they might be able to make a contest of it.No parking is a problem for every supporter going to a big game. The way i see it either the Dubs at our home pitch looking for parking or me in Dublin looking for parking case equal i think.

1rossiejim (Roscommon) - Posts: 80 - 20/04/2014 19:23:53    1577741

1 rossiejim

its an awful lot easier to park near croke park then portlaoise
dubs drive to croker too you know every game and parking is pretty easy around marino and fairview which leaves you 5-10 mins walk to croker

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/04/2014 20:37:54    1577781

Hill of course it is easier for you , but not for us all. I take the m6 onto m4 and have to travel the whole way up quays to park in a bloody clonliffe college that depending who is on gate get charged 5/10 e then walk and depending on where tickets are for Cusack or Davin quite a distance with kids and if its Davin and gate adjoining hogan isn't open its one long walk around. And of course walking back in opposite direction to majority on Jones rd again trying to keep kids safe. And then the obligatory 2 hour wait to get out of clonliffe college , and not to mention if its a wet day. Give me omoore any day of the week. Croke park is handy for dubs but it is totally in wrong area for rest of country.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/04/2014 08:48:54    1577840

Yet another anti Dublin thread on hoganstand! Sunrise suprise! And for anyone claiming its not only needs to read the title of the thread. The leinster and central council are not favouring the Dubs, they are using the Dubs to favour themselves yet its constantly written that Dublin are being favoured to give them an advantage which is a very sporting and gracious stance to take.

bernardmessi (Dublin) - Posts: 181 - 21/04/2014 10:09:19    1577859

royaldunne

park in marino or fairview the same as us?
simple answer to your problem
plenty of housing estates which lead you to no traffic back onto griffith avenue and away home

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/04/2014 10:40:15    1577888

I always wondered why anyone would park in Clonliffe College?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13709 - 21/04/2014 10:50:41    1577903