clondalkindub
Basically in the 00's when Dublin were rubbish we loved playing them in Croker now that there good and hammer everyone it's a disgrace they play all there games in Croker. This has been done over and over please not another 20 pages of this.

This isnt what this thread is about at all. Drop this victim mentality where everyone is out to get dublin. The guy posted about both semi-finals for a start. A couple of questions.

1. Why should croke park be the default venue for games that will only draw 30,000 at most?
2. Why is congestion such an unmanageable problem at other stadiums, when the fanbase going is within the capacity of the ground?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 15/04/2014 16:33:29    1575581

Htaem
Obviously it makes more financial sense to have the Dubs in Croker even when they're playing 'weaker' opposition otherwise they wouldn't be fixed to play their every championship game. I personally don't have much of an issue with it, I love playing the Dubs in Croker but the only time I think they should be made travel is for Leinster QFs, they should be away to either Laois or Wicklow this year but I don't really care either way.

My point was more along the lines of moving big league games around to spread big gaa games across the country when possible. As regards playing dublin in croke park - which this thread wasnt really about but seems to have taken over the topic, I enjoy it also and we have beaten them in more big games thanw e have lost, but I also realise that in the interest of fairness it probably shouldnt happen every single time. Of course people point to the money aspect, but surely money shouldnt have such an influence in an amateur sporting organisation that it loads the competition in favour of one team every year? This is the ethos I have an issue with, when does the fairness of the game itself outweigh financial gain? Guys commit their lives to playing gaa, the least they should expect that they get a fair chance at the top level, right? they are the guys who are being shafted there.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 15/04/2014 16:53:11    1575594

It is an unfair advantage end of, nothing we can do, close thread!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8592 - 15/04/2014 17:06:52    1575603

realdub
It is an unfair advantage end of, nothing we can do, close thread!

I have noticed that this is a common response on this thread. But in reality, if we took that attitude with every topic, there wouldnt be a thread left on the board.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 15/04/2014 17:11:51    1575609

Take it up with the GAA!....Country folk take great joy in telling us Dubs that the GAA is run by country folk so surely they will lend ear to your concerns and agree with you and change things for you!

As for the replies you get from Dubs....what do you want us to say exactly, you already acknowledge that we are pretty clear i.e. 'Dubs would be all in favour of hitting the road'!

Quit flogging a dead horse lad, everyone is in agreement with you on this 'done to death' thread, so go to the GAA about it, not GAA fans on a messageboard who will all tell you the same things as have been said on this board since time began!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 15/04/2014 17:16:26    1575614

Lots of talk about supporters, sma towns and even pubs but very little about the players. Players ( on both teams) will want to play in Croke park

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 15/04/2014 17:19:36    1575620

Fact is if the country county boards wanted the Dubs on the road we'd be put on the road.

GAA is a democratic organisation. Get it sorted out lads or do yous just prefer complaining about it?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 15/04/2014 17:25:21    1575623

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 10764

1575609 realdub
It is an unfair advantage end of, nothing we can do, close thread!

I have noticed that this is a common response on this thread. But in reality, if we took that attitude with every topic, there wouldnt be a thread left on the board.

TheMaster top marks for noticing a common response on this thread,so what do you suggest?Has this not been done time and time again??

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 15/04/2014 17:28:16    1575626

TheMaster


Fair points made Master but again the only time I think Dublin really should be made travel in the championship is early Leinster rounds and in the qualifiers but we're not likely to see them in the qualifiers too often these days. But I suppose amateur or not the Gaa is and will always be about making as much money as possible, that's the only way it can maintain itself and of course grow.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 15/04/2014 17:42:23    1575633

TheMaster

regards playing dublin in croke park - which this thread wasnt really about but seems to have taken over the topic, I enjoy it also and we have beaten them in more big games thanw e have lost

Really mayo have won more big games v Dublin than they have lost? I assume by big games you are talking championship games?
for the record
Dublin 5,Mayo 1,2 draws

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 15/04/2014 17:44:02    1575635

superbluedub
County: Dublin
Posts: 411

1575635
TheMaster

regards playing dublin in croke park - which this thread wasnt really about but seems to have taken over the topic, I enjoy it also and we have beaten them in more big games thanw e have lost

Really mayo have won more big games v Dublin than they have lost? I assume by big games you are talking championship games?
for the record
Dublin 5,Mayo 1,2 draws

Dublin 5
Mayo 2
Draw 1

No?

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 15/04/2014 17:48:10    1575637

superbluedub
County: Dublin
Posts: 411

1575635
TheMaster

regards playing dublin in croke park - which this thread wasnt really about but seems to have taken over the topic, I enjoy it also and we have beaten them in more big games thanw e have lost

Really mayo have won more big games v Dublin than they have lost? I assume by big games you are talking championship games?
for the record
Dublin 5,Mayo 1,2 draws

Mayo beat us in 2006 and 2012.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 15/04/2014 17:52:41    1575640

superbluedub, but every topic has been 'done to death'. There is a thread about mayo on the go, there must have been 10 of them in the last 6 months, there will probably be another 10 in he next 6. Why arent you over on that thread indicating that it has been done to death? The reality is this is just a tool to deflect. This is a topic that is worth discussing, and people's views change over time, as do various factors. The fact that so many want to silence the topic tells me that they dont want to discuss it in detail. The reality is if people are posting on the subject then there is interest. If you are not interested then by all means, dont post on the thread. But this silencing tactic shouldnt be tolerated as far as Im concerned. If it doesnt interest you then stay out of it and let those who do get on with it.

Also, you might want to revisit those figures, in the last 3 games alone mayo have won 2, so I dont know how we could be on 1 win... Anyway, it is beside the point, I was only speaking of playing dublin in croke park and that not being something I particularly dislike, but more about the fact that it would be fairer if it were spread around.

Hteam, I understand that point but what about games that wont fill croke park? I mean it made no sense in the world to play mayo v derry in dublin for example. A perfect opportunity to bring a big gaa game to somewhere besides dublin. Also, if croke park is all about money, then surely they should go to another ground when they wont fill it?

Finally, to people complaining about traffic around portlaoise etc as being a reason not to have a game outside dublin. Remember, there are people in this country that have to travel upwards of 4 hours, without factoring in traffic, to get to games. Maybe that burden should be spread around the gaa community a little?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 15/04/2014 18:07:27    1575644

Mayo beat us in 2006 and 2012.

sorry how could I forget 2012,my bad.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 15/04/2014 18:12:03    1575647

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 10766
Remember, there are people in this country that have to travel upwards of 4 hours, without factoring in traffic, to get to games. Maybe that burden should be spread around the gaa community a little?

Good point in fairness.

Why isn't it? Why are the 30 odd other county boards putting up with it?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 15/04/2014 18:28:06    1575660

Many dubs on here did 8 hour round trips to Derry and Tyrone in the league. Do these trips not count or is it only when games are in Croke Park and especially only if it's against the Dubs? Did Mayo and Derry fans moan at the round trip on Sunday?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 15/04/2014 18:37:39    1575665

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 10766

1575644 superbluedub, but every topic has been 'done to death'. There is a thread about mayo on the go, there must have been 10 of them in the last 6 months, there will probably be another 10 in he next 6. Why arent you over on that thread indicating that it has been done to death? The reality is this is just a tool to deflect. This is a topic that is worth discussing, and people's views change over time, as do various factors. The fact that so many want to silence the topic tells me that they dont want to discuss it in detail. The reality is if people are posting on the subject then there is interest. If you are not interested then by all means, dont post on the thread. But this silencing tactic shouldnt be tolerated as far as Im concerned. If it doesnt interest you then stay out of it and let those who do get on with it.

Also, you might want to revisit those figures, in the last 3 games alone mayo have won 2, so I dont know how we could be on 1 win... Anyway, it is beside the point, I was only speaking of playing dublin in croke park and that not being something I particularly dislike, but more about the fact that it would be fairer if it were spread around

Have to strongly disagree,its not a spoiling tactic,posters have no problem discussing it,they have discussed it time and time again,going around in circles,if certain posters feel they they want to keep bringing it up ,thats there business,but surely whinging about it on a thread on hoganstand is a waste of time,write to there clubs,write to the powers that be in leinster.as for staying out of it don't think so,why should I ?you want thread to carry on I want it closed.sorry for the incorrect figures,however mayo still have not won more than they have lost v Dublin.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 15/04/2014 18:38:42    1575667

TheMaster

Hteam, I understand that point but what about games that wont fill croke park? I mean it made no sense in the world to play mayo v derry in dublin for example. A perfect opportunity to bring a big gaa game to somewhere besides dublin. Also, if croke park is all about money, then surely they should go to another ground when they wont fill it?

I agree with you, games like Mayo v Derry in a league semi final have no place in Croker because they just won't draw the crowds, that's common sense, but unfortunately common sense and the Gaa don't always go hand in hand. I'd be more in favour of a home/away style system so for example Mayo played Derry at home in the league stage so maybe the KO match could be played up in Derry. Or maybe even a head to head system so whoever won the league match gets home advantage in the KO game, I think either of those systems would work better than opening up Croker and not even half filling it, but anyway, it's not my decision.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 15/04/2014 19:00:06    1575679

This is not just a problem with the use of Croke Park.

Only last week the Ulster U21 final between Donegal & Cavan was played in......Armagh.

To add insult to injury this was only 3 days after Donegal had played in Armagh in the National League.

There is a perfectly fine county ground in Enniskillen not to mention Omagh, but no, let's stick another 50 miles on it instead.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 15/04/2014 19:27:31    1575689

Will be a cracking game. Dubs experience will edge it

offtheground1 (Down) - Posts: 128 - 15/04/2014 19:49:28    1575704