2972 was the attendance given yesterday in the Monaghan, Louth game

Pukefootball (Monaghan) - Posts: 377 - 10/03/2014 17:52:23    1557877

They don't include the u16's in the vast majority of grounds excluding croker.

Wayno how can you say 6500 was rotten for cork after making an all ireland final and not say the same about the dubs?

2 all irelands and a national league in 3 years, favs for this all ireland and about 18k dubs turn out to watch them play at home in the countries best stadium. Didn't you get over 60k v Kerry for the league the year the spring series started? How things have changed.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 10/03/2014 17:56:06    1557880

Jack_Goff
County: Meath
Posts: 798

1557880
They don't include the u16's in the vast majority of grounds excluding croker.

Wayno how can you say 6500 was rotten for cork after making an all ireland final and not say the same about the dubs?

2 all irelands and a national league in 3 years, favs for this all ireland and about 18k dubs turn out to watch them play at home in the countries best stadium. Didn't you get over 60k v Kerry for the league the year the spring series started? How things have changed.

no we didnt get over 60 thousand for spring series game ever
the biggest ever attendance was 46 thousand at a spring series match that was v kerry in 2012
well not commenting on cork but westmeath had bigger crowd then cork for their double header and would count it as better success
they do include under16s as for health and safety alone you would be in big trouble
as if there was an emergency evacuation and you didnt count children
then you would be liable for all sorts of cases against the gaa
also the simple fact is that an attendance is not counted by tickets sold
its counted by the amount of times the turnstiles click
and the turnstile has a counter which adds it up

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/03/2014 19:12:24    1557926

I asked a steward i was talking to when we played Limerick, he said they don't count u-16's. To be fair, the stewards in Cork aren't known for being correct all of the time, but i'd still be confident he was right. It's pretty common for parents to go through with their own children with about three more in one go. What do they do in this case? Turn the gates three times? And how to you explain the constant underestimated figures everywhere bar croke park? Health and safety doesn't matter. Do they need to do a headcount if something goes wrong? No. Considering the figure wouldn't be accurate anyway, for reasons outlined above, it wouldn't matter what it is in terms of insurance or getting sued, unless it was over-capacity .It's very, very obvious they don't count them.

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 10/03/2014 19:28:01    1557937

Was a very low attendance from Kildare on Saturday. We probably had more down in Cork!

God knows how much less there would have been had it gone ahead on Friday as was originally proposed!

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 10/03/2014 19:48:10    1557946

RebelCork
County: Cork
Posts: 565

1557937
I asked a steward i was talking to when we played Limerick, he said they don't count u-16's. To be fair, the stewards in Cork aren't known for being correct all of the time, but i'd still be confident he was right. It's pretty common for parents to go through with their own children with about three more in one go. What do they do in this case? Turn the gates three times? And how to you explain the constant underestimated figures everywhere bar croke park? Health and safety doesn't matter. Do they need to do a headcount if something goes wrong? No. Considering the figure wouldn't be accurate anyway, for reasons outlined above, it wouldn't matter what it is in terms of insurance or getting sued, unless it was over-capacity .It's very, very obvious they don't count them.

health and safety clearly matters
when you consider how grounds capacitys have been cut over simple matters such as not enough bars on a terraces
they would have to count everybody in the ground
just look at legal cases in limerick over people entering pitch and injuring themselves
if they gave out figure not counting kids would cause real headaches for themselves in event of something going wrong
and why kids only then as oap get in also at reduced prices do you believe they dont count them either
or students for that matter?
yes each person goes in individualy one child after another
its not rocket science as they hardly all going to fit in one go through a stile haha
the constent underestimated figures happen in croke park too and I cannot explain it
but would appear it could be a tax thing or wanting to keep money for their own county boards

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/03/2014 21:38:46    1558026

Regarding Dublin's 21,000 attendance I really don't think people can turn around and say "there's a population of 1.2 million that's a shocking attendance" How much of that 1.2 million are from "the country" along with other nationalities. Don't forget in Dublin we've countless concerts with international acts(12,000+ in the o2 on any given night), countless comedy gigs, Ireland in the Aviva last week, Leinster in the RDS the week before and other general distractions that other towns and cities in Ireland don't have. For me 21,000 for a glorified exhibition match is pretty decent.

Let's take the league game & O'Byrne game against Westmeath. Those two games were basically home games for Dublin with 90% of the ground cheering on the Boys in Blue. 90,000 people live in Westmeath and they couldn't give get 500 fans for either game.

Maurice (Dublin) - Posts: 22 - 11/03/2014 09:13:29    1558073

The number of Loais fans did not exceed 50 at the Armagh game. That is pathetic and the worst away crowd I have ever seen at an Armagh match.

Are Loais fans known as poor travellers or did they just take exception to us?

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 11/03/2014 13:59:05    1558245

You clearly misunderstood. What does pitch invasions in Limerick have to do with counting u-16's to games in Pairc Ui Rinn? Nothing. Unless they do individual head counts what is the need to have exact figures? Also i've seen it numerous times (and done it myself) were parents go through with their kids. Children tend to be small enough, therefore it is not just possible, it happens many times. You're the only one who thinks u-16's get counted and all you're basing it on is some made up health and safety concerns. What's the chances you're the only person on here right?

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 11/03/2014 16:39:57    1558360

RebelCork
County: Cork
Posts: 566

1558360
You clearly misunderstood. What does pitch invasions in Limerick have to do with counting u-16's to games in Pairc Ui Rinn? Nothing. Unless they do individual head counts what is the need to have exact figures? Also i've seen it numerous times (and done it myself) were parents go through with their kids. Children tend to be small enough, therefore it is not just possible, it happens many times. You're the only one who thinks u-16's get counted and all you're basing it on is some made up health and safety concerns. What's the chances you're the only person on here right?

we are in an era were health and safety is put first and foremost in most elemants
so I cannot see the sense in giving an attendance and not counting under 16s
why would you do that?
they all go through turnstiles regardless of how much you pay or dont pay
do you think they dont count students or OAP's aswell then if thats the case?
an attendance doesnt count tickets sold it counts turnstile clicks I guarantee you that.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 11/03/2014 16:54:29    1558370

To be fair a trip to Armagh on a Saturday night.
Nearly 500km round trip.
2 tolls each way.
Not home til probably midnight.
Would have missed the rugby to leave on time.
I'm surprised 50 went and I'm sure they were sorry they bothered after the drubbing Laois got.
At least the hurlers are improving.

jpcampion (Laois) - Posts: 194 - 11/03/2014 16:59:36    1558372

Maurice
County: Dublin
Posts: 17

1558073
Regarding Dublin's 21,000 attendance I really don't think people can turn around and say "there's a population of 1.2 million that's a shocking attendance" How much of that 1.2 million are from "the country" along with other nationalities.

Maurice everyone accepts Westmeath have shocking support for their Div 1 team but to counter your arguement, after you've subtracted the country lads and the foreigners you may add back the huge number of Dubs who live within an hours drive of Croke park in the surrounding counties but travel in tiny numbers to Croke Park. The fact is the Dublin support for the league is nothing special and only a few counties have support for the league that's decent. Mayo is one that springs to mind.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 11/03/2014 17:01:34    1558373

As i have said above many times it would be inaccurate. Also there is very little point considering they aren't paying customers. A steward told me they do not count them, that coupled with every other poster thinking so and you changing your argument about three times is enough to convince me.

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 11/03/2014 17:03:47    1558375

JP91
County: Armagh
Posts: 43

1558245
The number of Loais fans did not exceed 50 at the Armagh game. That is pathetic and the worst away crowd I have ever seen at an Armagh match.

Are Loais fans known as poor travellers or did they just take exception to us?
And to put that into respect over 1000 Armagh supporters travelled to Navan for the Meath Armagh game. It's a shame how badly some teams are followed.

And hill you said it yourself they "under estimate" attendances for tax or some other unknown reason. Then you go onto say that everyone is counted and the right number has to be given for H&S. Which is it?

Anyway I can tell you from talking to people in the know they only count paying customers in provincial grounds. Not my words.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 11/03/2014 17:23:37    1558390

Jack_Goff
County: Meath
Posts: 800

1558373
Maurice
County: Dublin
Posts: 17

1558073
Regarding Dublin's 21,000 attendance I really don't think people can turn around and say "there's a population of 1.2 million that's a shocking attendance" How much of that 1.2 million are from "the country" along with other nationalities.

Maurice everyone accepts Westmeath have shocking support for their Div 1 team but to counter your arguement, after you've subtracted the country lads and the foreigners you may add back the huge number of Dubs who live within an hours drive of Croke park in the surrounding counties but travel in tiny numbers to Croke Park. The fact is the Dublin support for the league is nothing special and only a few counties have support for the league that's decent. Mayo is one that springs to mind

whats wrong with 23 thousand average attendance for home matches
as thats what its been over 3 games
most championship matches dont get near that until the provincial finals

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 11/03/2014 17:34:50    1558398

ebelCork
County: Cork
Posts: 568

1558375
As i have said above many times it would be inaccurate. Also there is very little point considering they aren't paying customers. A steward told me they do not count them, that coupled with every other poster thinking so and you changing your argument about three times is enough to convince me.

every other poster haha who that you and one or two others?
changing arguement how haha?
i keep repeating same thing and you wont listen
ATTENDANCES ARE NOT AMOUNT OF TICKETS SOLD
ATTENDANCES ARE AMOUNT OF TIMES TURNSTILE CLICKS

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 11/03/2014 17:36:48    1558404

jack goff

everyone is counted I guarnatee you do that
kids,students OAP's the lot
the attendance they release however may not be the attendance they count
that was my point on the tax elemant as being propably the reason they do this
that was my guess as to why they do it

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 11/03/2014 17:40:11    1558409

I was at match Sunday and they left about 80 juveniles in through an open gate. No clicks of a turnstile and no money handed over. I am 100% sure juveniles arnt counted in Cork and even if they do try they are a good bit off

lukewalsh96 (Cork) - Posts: 252 - 11/03/2014 18:22:06    1558434

I am saying nothing about tickets, you're really after confusing me at this stage bringing them up.Are you aware they operate separate stiles for u-16's? They do not take attendances from this stile. It does not make sense to do it, as i'eve been told by everyone bar yourself .I'm afraid, by the sounds of it, you haven't been to Pairc Ui Rinn in a very long time. Come on, there's a few more then 2 saying it, i'm sure you've noticed seeing as every time someone has said u-16's don't count on this thread you've automatically tried to correct them.

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 11/03/2014 19:37:54    1558482

and does this turnstile not turn?
if they have to walk through it then surely it clicks like any other turnstile and is added?
if they open a gate and let people walk in then thats very badly organised in fairness
cork county board workers must pocketed money also if that has been happening as what do they do for students and OAP's?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 11/03/2014 19:56:38    1558494