Can I ask the Admins that this thread be now closed as all allegations in it have been proved untrue and it is now been just used as a platform to put in other insults towards the county?

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 19/02/2013 11:14:27    1335927

Ah let them off doublehop,same few all the time.we've plenty of positives to focus on.great manager,guys that take pride in the jersey,good young talent coming up and playing in the top tier. Is it any wonder these few are moaning??

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1700 - 19/02/2013 12:02:19    1335956

doublehop
County: Kildare
Posts: 2758

1335927
Can I ask the Admins that this thread be now closed as all allegations in it have been proved untrue and it is now been just used as a platform to put in other insults towards the county?

In fairness if Admin closed every thread that was just used to insult a particular county then this place would've been shut down years ago due to lack of posts.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13725 - 19/02/2013 12:04:09    1335958

0 out of 5 speaks for its self.

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 19/02/2013 12:24:35    1335974

Floops
County: Dublin
Posts: 1054

1335974 0 out of 5 speaks for its self.


Is that 0 AI's after winning 5 Leinsters in a row in the noughties you speak of? Harsh I would think.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 19/02/2013 12:36:35    1335992

sedico
County: Kildare
Posts: 969


Is that 0 AI's after winning 5 Leinsters in a row in the noughties you speak of? Harsh I would think.



Five Leinster titles in a row....mmmmmm yeah, sweet. Dedication is what you need!

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 19/02/2013 12:46:25    1335995

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 3725

who cares though the players want this competition they enjoy it they are the ones who will keep it alive,if fans are too lazy or need media attention to get them off their backsides thats their own loss,the players feel this is a competition they want to be part of i think people should be happy that the players are being put ahead of supporters on this.i agree they need to market the competition better but they also need to market every other competition better including the club championships.there is also an onus on the national media to give more coverage to the competition after all they are irish national media and to promote a meaningless cup competition in a foreign country(that sir rolex didnt even bother entering his team in a few years ago) ahead of the most popular sport in the country your viewers are from that is showcaseing the best players in each province is bad practice

I certainly agree the GAA is right to put the players ahead of fans.

But in this instance surely there's a more suitable time to play the interpros? I just don't think two weekends in the middle of the league and college competitions with county / club championships starting up, along with intercounty under 21's competitions is the best time to run it off. Where's all talk of player welfare gone to these days?

Fair enough the media have some level of responsibility on promoting our national games but at the end of the day they can't exactly do a lot when the GAA don't take it seriously themselves.

Depending on what sections of the media you're talking about that responsibility varies greatly. RTÉ, TG4, TV3 and Setanta will promote what matches they'll be showing, papers will report on what matches they can, radio stations will for the most part cover local games and the national radio stations will cover big games come the summer as long as the have the broadcast rights to do so.

That's the extent of the medias required promotion.

It's much too simplistic to suggest that it's up to the media to increase interest in competitions. It's up to those running the association and the competitions to do that job.

Why should a tv channel, radio station or paper be responsible for promoting and marketing the GAA? Sure they'll report on matches and give fixtures / results as for the most part it's in the interest of their viewers / readers, but there's a difference between reporting on a match and promoting a match. Is there no marketing department in Croke Park?

Various media forms are nothing more than a tool for promotion, it's up to the GAA to utilise these tools. The media, whether that be broadcast, print or social, can only promote what the GAA wants it to promote, and bar the Spring Series there doesn't seem to be a desire to promote anything, but that's the fault of the GAA not the media. It's not a newspaper editors, or tv producers job to promote the GAA, there's no chance of one of them going into work on a Monday morning, looking at poor attendance figures from the weekends matches and deciding to do something about it, because quite simply why should they? They aren't marketing executives. they're just there to report on and broadcast matches.

And for the record Man United didn't enter the FA Cup a few years back as they were under pressure from the FA to take part in the Club World Championships in Brazil. This happened to be held at the same time that the third round of the cup was taking place. The FA of course was doing this as they wanted to do all they could to make a good impression on FIFA in the hope they could land the 2010 World Cup. I think Ferguson and United may have turned down a bye to the next round of the cup though, very sporting of them I'm sure you'll agree.

Is there a thread on here where you haven't dragged the media and foreign sports into the debate?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 19/02/2013 12:55:27    1336004

Yea but was there was a need to mention the 0 All Ireland part? Ye probably had it too easy in Leinster then and thought ye had to just to turn up to win AI's. It doesn't work out like that I'm afraid. I mean that team lost a 6/7 point lead to Mayo one year. I agree with you in saying that its criminal but its history now. I'm sure most of Dublin want to forget it so maybe you should too.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 19/02/2013 12:57:13    1336007

Floops
County: Dublin
Posts: 1056

0 out of 5 speaks for its self.

So does 2 in 2.

What do fractions have to do with Kildare players being unavailable for the Leinster team though?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 19/02/2013 13:12:54    1336025

My problem with kildare is they think there something, when they have not got the sucess to back it up. That team has been around for how long and what have you got a few league medals nice!!! Ye can't win a Leinster and its the worst province re football for the last 10/15 years!!!

An_Oifigeach (Meath) - Posts: 220 - 19/02/2013 13:18:17    1336032

An_Oifigeach
County: Meath
Posts: 136

1336032
My problem with kildare is they think there something, when they have not got the sucess to back it up. That team has been around for how long and what have you got a few league medals nice!!! Ye can't win a Leinster and its the worst province re football for the last 10/15 years!!!

In the last 12 years we've 'Won' the same amount of Leinsters as Meath ! (note: 'won' before you correct me)

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1700 - 19/02/2013 13:28:55    1336043

if_in_doubt
County: Kildare
Posts: 1648

1336025
Floops
County: Dublin
Posts: 1056

0 out of 5 speaks for its self.

So does 2 in 2.

What do fractions have to do with Kildare players being unavailable for the Leinster team though?


Well a fraction of commitment is not enough only 100% players needed. Just as well it was 0 out of 5 or we'd be looking at Connacht V Ulster

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 19/02/2013 13:30:22    1336044

An_Oifigeach
County: Meath
Posts: 136

My problem with kildare is they think there something, when they have not got the sucess to back it up. That team has been around for how long and what have you got a few league medals nice!!! Ye can't win a Leinster and its the worst province re football for the last 10/15 years!!!

I think I should get the parachute because I'm great. In fact, I think I should get both the parachutes, in case one of them doesn't work!

We first entered the All Ireland Championship in 1888, so yeah we've been around a while, although lads like Niall Kelly and Daniel Flynn have only been with the panel a few months, average that off any way you so wish.

If you want to look at the last ten years in Leinster, Meath have only won one title, and lets be honest that wasn't much of an achievement, and reached the same amount of finals as Kildare. If you want to extend it to fifteen years then we've actually won two, which of course would cancel out the "Ye can't win a Leinster" point.

Sterling effort though.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 19/02/2013 13:38:08    1336054

if_in_doubt

yes i agree october would be a better time to play it instead of the nternational rules.
you say the tv channels promote the matches they are showing yes and thats it,you trun on the main evening news on sunday just gone and they did not even have footgae of the inter pro semi finals,yet they were not showing any english soccer matches on their channels but were able to show footage of these games sevral of them in fact.that to me is a disgrace that they blatantly showcase english sport ahead of irish sport on the irish news.i dont think its acceptable that they only show gaa footage in the summer as the national league has some very big audiences and support.its not realy much to ask it happenes in all aspects of our media they promote british reality tv or song contests over our own and they promote british soaps over our own.if you wanted to see that you would turn onto a british station or buy a british newspaper.but these same media forms will always have gaa negative storys as headlines but will not do the same for positive storys.
i agree the gaa need fresh young marketing people too.you say newspapers looking at poor attendance figures its actualy bigger attendances figures then other sports played here but yet they treat them with far higher respect.
who cares what man utd did or didnt do the point is its not irish news its english news,i dont see them reporting on spanish soccer or italian or german soccer ever so you could hardly come to any other conclusion that our national media is not realy irish its british

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/02/2013 14:19:56    1336095

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 3732

I'd definitely agree that part of our media, especially print media, is very, very heavily influenced by British parent companies, something I'm pretty sure we've both complained about before. It's not really fair to brand all media as one and the same though. TG4 do great work with limited resources when it comes to club competitions and the provincial rugby teams for example.

As far as showing highlights of football matches as opposed to the Interpros, it probably comes down to the fact that RTÉ can quite easily get access to the Sky or BBC footage and show that. Barely any of RTÉ or TV3's coverage of matches in England or further afield in Europe is actually shot themselves, they take the feed from local broadcasters, which is why sometimes the graphics like the team names and the clock aren't the standard ones (I'm excluding commentary from this). There are of course times when they'll send a team of five or six people to Old Trafford or wherever to get a few interviews and that, though the expense on this wouldn't be huge.

Unfortunately they probably didn't see any point in sending a team of people to record footage of the Leinster - Connacht match, and considering the lack of public interest in it, it's not hard to justify that decision. On the flip side of that though if they did show highlights of it, then interest would more than likely increase. Again though it's not up to them to promote and market the GAA product.

Even when they show FAI Cup matches and Airtricity League matches they aren't always shooting the footage themselves, the majority of highlights on shows like MNS are shot by the clubs themselves, most of the time by volunteers. So it's not as if they're singling out the GAA for poor treatment.

The problem with the coverage of live GAA matches and highlights is that RTÉ, TG4, TV3 and Setanta all have different broadcast rights, so they'll be competing against each other for who gets to show what.

Sport, and competitions are only as popular as the stakeholders are willing to make them. The problem is that the people involved in the Premiership, Champions League, Heineken Cup etc are much better at making their products attractive to the masses. If Irish people are going to support a team or take interest in a league in it's only natural that they gravitate to the ones that are branded as being better. Hence more people supporting foreign clubs than Irish ones, and supporting the provinces instead of local rugby teams.

As much as we might hate to admit it; the reason there's more coverage of other sports is because those running them are making them more attractive and easier to report on and promote.

who cares what man utd did or didnt do the point is its not irish news its english news,i dont see them reporting on spanish soccer or italian or german soccer ever so you could hardly come to any other conclusion that our national media is not realy irish its british

What's the alternative to including non Irish news though? The Democratic People's Republic of Korea approach?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 19/02/2013 14:58:41    1336126

Here I'll be the first to admit Meath have had a poor decade, the fact is Kildare under McGeeney are portrayed as all Ireland contenders, when they have won sweet f all. I don't think you'll find anyone in Meath saying we are all ireland contenders, but it seems kildare think they're too good to represent their province. Kildare average team at best!!!

An_Oifigeach (Meath) - Posts: 220 - 19/02/2013 16:13:11    1336176

An_Oifigeach
County: Meath
Posts: 137

Here I'll be the first to admit Meath have had a poor decade, the fact is Kildare under McGeeney are portrayed as all Ireland contenders, when they have won sweet f all. I don't think you'll find anyone in Meath saying we are all ireland contenders, but it seems kildare think they're too good to represent their province. Kildare average team at best!!!

What gives you that impression?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 19/02/2013 16:19:07    1336182

5 players have obiviously did not take a chance to play Leinster incase they risk injury during a league campaign, thats the ins and outs of it!!! But sure peak in the league lads fizzle out in the Leinster and make a run in the back door until you meet a decent team, out to be a good season. Oh and make sure McGeeney sulks about every referee decision.

An_Oifigeach (Meath) - Posts: 220 - 19/02/2013 16:26:40    1336185

An_Oifigeach
County: Meath
Posts: 137

1336176 Here I'll be the first to admit Meath have had a poor decade, the fact is Kildare under McGeeney are portrayed as all Ireland contenders, when they have won sweet f all. I don't think you'll find anyone in Meath saying we are all ireland contenders, but it seems kildare think they're too good to represent their province. Kildare average team at best!!!


I think you'll find that generally Division Three teams are not considered AI Ireland contenders.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 19/02/2013 16:32:22    1336190

An_Oifigeach
County: Meath
Posts: 138

5 players have obiviously did not take a chance to play Leinster incase they risk injury during a league campaign, thats the ins and outs of it!!! But sure peak in the league lads fizzle out in the Leinster and make a run in the back door until you meet a decent team, out to be a good season. Oh and make sure McGeeney sulks about every referee decision.

?

Pat Gilroy has come out and confirmed what some posters from Kildare were talking about last week; that some lads were unavailable because of weddings / personal commitments while another wasn't fit enough to take part. Please explain to me how you managed to come to the conclusion that they think they're too good for it from that?

Then again I'm sure you know better than the manager of the team...

Attending a wedding! Even the thought of something so incredulously arrogant sends a shiver down the spine.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 19/02/2013 16:33:59    1336192