KELF
County: Kildare
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So who are going to the Inter Pro games ?

And the October suggestion : Might be difficult as well since most counties play their County Finals in October, which normally involve most of the best players in every county.

I am not going, as on Sat I will attend the lacal club game and on Sunday will attend Ladies National League game.


Thats a shocking lazy arguement for not holding it then. Dont these same top players be involved in these same county finals when the aussie crap is on, yet players are still available to play that.
A handful of players maybe unavailable, but thats it, the rest can play and put on a decent game and not interupting intercounty calander, u21's or colleges.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6346 - 13/02/2013 09:21:05    1333173

To all those who want the inter pros to continue :The battle is lost.Damn all people care about this tournament and that is not going to change.The powers that be should stop trying to promote this thing and put more effort into promoting the league and the AI club championships,both of which are usually far more entertaining and unpredictable than the championship.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 13/02/2013 09:38:25    1333177

royaldunne
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Lads I think your missing the point, forget about the importance of the competition and think for a minute , all of the other Leinster county players are willing to show up but Kildare feel there to big for such a competition. My god the arrogance of that county is unbelievable. How you all think what there doing is right il never know. And then people wonder why I hate Kildare

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Nobody wonders why either of you hate Kildare, there's more important topics around. It's just the way you are lads...all eaten up

St.Conleth (Kildare) - Posts: 1700 - 13/02/2013 10:06:47    1333193

Based on attendances it is fair to say that few people care about the competition. It was a once great competition that was allowed, by the GAA, to get to the state that it is in. These things can be reversed if significant effort was made. What I would do is play the competition in early January or in November or December. For the first few years I would play it in a different country. These silly All-Star tours that the players go-on (well deserved) attract large attendances for what are meaningless games. If there were proper competitive games they would attract large attendances.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 13/02/2013 11:00:20    1333229

bennybunny
County: Cork
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Based on attendances it is fair to say that few people care about the competition. It was a once great competition that was allowed, by the GAA, to get to the state that it is in. These things can be reversed if significant effort was made. What I would do is play the competition in early January or in November or December. For the first few years I would play it in a different country. These silly All-Star tours that the players go-on (well deserved) attract large attendances for what are meaningless games. If there were proper competitive games they would attract large attendances.


People use that example as a handy way to knock the competition.
Oh the attendances speak for themselves! But what else do you expect when they are put on at the same time and date as club games all over the country. Its not possible for people to be in two places at once.

Whats wrong with October bank hol weekend and put a decent marketting charge in place and have people aware of it.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6346 - 13/02/2013 11:14:25    1333247

the attendances at the inter pros will be on a par with most league games do some people believe them league games should be scrapped also becuase not enough people turn up to watch?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/02/2013 11:19:23    1333252

Is McGeeney letting Kildare players play for their clubs over the next few weeks with the break in the league?

ClassApart (Meath) - Posts: 1200 - 13/02/2013 11:23:58    1333256

ClassApart
pre season tournaments start in Kildare this weekend with each team guaranteed 3 games. The senior football league does not start until the end of March. I don't know if County players will be released for these pre season tournaments

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2993 - 13/02/2013 11:45:24    1333280

Who cares what McGeeney does? The players are unavailable for reasons none of us know. Some people are just looking for a stick to beat McGeeney with.

Kildare players (or any other for that matter) are not under any obligation to make themselves available.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 13/02/2013 11:45:35    1333281

3 Kildare players were called up to the Leinster squad, 2 of them are unavailable due to a wedding and the other is resting a knock. These are the only 3 that were approached. Nothing to do with arrogance or McGeeney. Clondalkindub is just a hater of us and wants everyone to join in his hatred.

BallykellyNo11 (Kildare) - Posts: 41 - 13/02/2013 12:13:28    1333314

A thread started purely to have mud slung at Kildare, by a man who openly hates us. Most Dubs wouldn't blink an eyelid if their lads pulled out of this mickey mouse game.

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 13/02/2013 12:45:45    1333342

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
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the attendances at the inter pros will be on a par with most league games do some people believe them league games should be scrapped also becuase not enough people turn up to watch?

The league serves a purpose i.e. the preparation of teams for championship.

The inter pros serve no purpose. No-one cares about who wins because no-one cares what province they're from at the end of it all.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13725 - 13/02/2013 13:36:58    1333381

I have to say, I agree a lot with lilypad, the competition is long dead and I would be happy enough if our lads didn't play.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8603 - 13/02/2013 14:09:23    1333406

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
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and the best players in ireland would be playing for their province in gaa also so its bit of a lame arguement you make,quite simply it all comes down to media perception at the end of the day as the media promote the international rules and it pulls in the crowds and dont for one second tell me its a brilliant game to watch surely any right minded person would think that a railway cup final would be more attractive then the hybrid game so my point is if the media were to promote the game positvely you would see the crowds turn out but of course our so called media only promote things that feature highly in britian and america

Why does it all come down to the media?

There's plenty of people here who don't need the papers or tv to tell them what to like.

It's not the media's (lets keep all of them as one for this argument) job to promote Gaelic games. It's the responsibility of the GAA to promote it's games in all codes.

The GAA does a lot more to promote the international rules series than the it does the interpros. You can blame tv, radio and tabloids all you want but it's pointless as it's not there fault.

The GAA needs to make things attractive for tv channels and other media outlets to take notice and broadcast them.

Why should media outlets like RTÉ and The Star give a load of coverage to the interpros when a lot of GAA fans don't even care about them? Even for the league the only real promotion the GAA does is with the Spring Series, but in fairness Setanta run a good few ads detailing what fixtures they'll be showing, but that's only because they already know the games they'll be showing will be ones people have a big interest in (there's a reason they aren't showing any lower division games).

MesAmis
County: Dublin
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hill16no1man
County: Dublin
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the attendances at the inter pros will be on a par with most league games do some people believe them league games should be scrapped also becuase not enough people turn up to watch?

The league serves a purpose i.e. the preparation of teams for championship.

The inter pros serve no purpose. No-one cares about who wins because no-one cares what province they're from at the end of it all.

Again hill this could be related back to the points you and I were making about rugby yesterday.

GAA fans don't relate with their province enough to care about the interpros.

GAA fans are primarily club / county fans and secondly county / club fans.

Rugby fans are primarily provincial fans, therefor a provincial rugby competition would attract a much bigger interest as more people relate to and actively support their province in rugby. In GAA it matters little what province a person is from as there is no real need to support a province as your club or county will always come first.

No GAA fan relates to their province more than they do their own club or county, and as MesAmis rightly said no-one cares what province they're from at the end of it all.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 13/02/2013 17:12:07    1333549

MesAmis
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hill16no1man
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the attendances at the inter pros will be on a par with most league games do some people believe them league games should be scrapped also becuase not enough people turn up to watch?

The league serves a purpose i.e. the preparation of teams for championship.

The inter pros serve no purpose. No-one cares about who wins because no-one cares what province they're from at the end of it all.

the main arguement against this going ahead is the attendances the games get well i dont see why that should matter judging by the o byrne cup or league games it will get the same crowds as most them,also the money is going towards charity so i dont see why people have a huge problem with the competition it was huge competition once before all the negative press came about

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/02/2013 17:21:27    1333563

if_in_doubt

it comes down to media simply becuase the media dictates what is popular to society like it or not 90% of the country vote on what the media tells them in an election,they also watch the programmes the media hypes up,they also floww the sports teams in england the media concentrates on,they beleive now that the american and british armed forces are somehow heroes,im not making this all up its fact.thus leading people in sporting terms to believe this competition has no relevance when the days before media reached every person this competition used to have massive crowds.
yes rugby has a provincial game already but if the international rules which is very simliar only gets these players to come together for 2 matches and yet true its marketing it gets big corwds where as the marketing for the inter provincial is very poor.you also say the media shouldnt have to promote it but they have an obligation to inform the public of the biggest events and yet the gaa is the biggest sport in the country and its coverage is behind other sports this just proves my point that the media in ireland is realy british run

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/02/2013 17:27:52    1333567

Nobody wonders why either of you hate Kildare, there's more important topics around. It's just the way you are lads...all eaten up

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It's just the way you are lads ...

Who are you talking about there ? Whom would you be generalizing about ?

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 13/02/2013 17:53:13    1333590

They are dead right not to play, lets face facts here folks these guys are amateurs who get nothing for playing for club, college, county, province or even country. We are flogging our top players to death expecting them to play in every mickey mouse tournament, you don't see Alex Ferguson playing his best players in the League Cup (or whatever its called these days) or pointless Champions league games, and we should do likewise for our top GAA players.

gilly0512 (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 13/02/2013 18:05:35    1333601

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
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it comes down to media simply becuase the media dictates what is popular to society like it or not 90% of the country vote on what the media tells them in an election,they also watch the programmes the media hypes up,they also floww the sports teams in england the media concentrates on,they beleive now that the american and british armed forces are somehow heroes,im not making this all up its fact.thus leading people in sporting terms to believe this competition has no relevance when the days before media reached every person this competition used to have massive crowds.
yes rugby has a provincial game already but if the international rules which is very simliar only gets these players to come together for 2 matches and yet true its marketing it gets big corwds where as the marketing for the inter provincial is very poor.you also say the media shouldnt have to promote it but they have an obligation to inform the public of the biggest events and yet the gaa is the biggest sport in the country and its coverage is behind other sports this just proves my point that the media in ireland is realy british run

Swings and roundabouts.

Plenty of things can become popular without media attention. Once they do become popular though they start to receive more media coverage and in turn become more popular.

The media can't take something as bad as an unimportant competition that the GAA itself cares little for and suddenly make it marketable and popular.

The media does have a certain level of responsibility to promote national games but only those that are important on a national scale. There'll be plenty of GAA coverage come Championship time. In fact there was so many games shown live last year that some people began to think it was a negative thing as it could have contributed to smaller crowds at games, you can't have things every which way.

RTÉ showed a fair amount of Airtricity League games last year yet the support from the public remained pretty much the same. Very poor.

Setanta show a lot of other Irish sport such as basketball yet public interest is hardly growing massively as a result.

Media coverage can only do so much for a sport. It's up to the sport and those involved in running it to make the most of the available media outlets, something the GAA doesn't seem to do very well outside of the Championship.

I'm not even going to begin to dissect that part in bold, I genuinely wouldn't know where to start with it.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 13/02/2013 18:07:47    1333604

Jinxie
County: Meath
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Where in my post did I comment or whether or not it should be held? I did say a date clashing with most County Finals was not a good idea !!

Isn't it great that an injury & a wedding gives so many an opportunity to vent their long-held spleen for Kildare.

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 13/02/2013 19:37:39    1333681