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By the nature of such a set up you could have players playing that are not from your own county. I would have no interest in say a Dublin/ Meath combination / franchise team. Or a Kildare Laois Offaly combination and where would they play? Would new stadiums have to be built?
lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2902 - 14/05/2019 22:31:41Dublin in any professional set up would never need to join with anyone and neither would counties like Meath, Kildare etc as theyve big populations and are well backed as it is...
only the very smallest of rural counties may have to do that..
Why would new stadiums have to be built?
No they wouldn't. Besides family and friends football and hurling is the love of GAA players lives. It's what they look forward to when they're working, studying, getting on with life. Making it professional means it's their job. Arguably hurling and gaelic football are the purest most noble sports in the world because they are amateur, players play for the jersey not for money. By all means give them more expenses, maybe a tax rebate at the end of their careers. But trying to turn it professional, when the GAA top brass are determined to make an elite division and not care about the lower standards will just encourage some players from weaker counties to move to elite counties for more money and glory.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5061 - 14/05/2019 23:56:11get over yourself saying gaelic and hurling are purest and most noble as theyre solely amatuer.
cant really do a tax rebate considering the players are in such varied careers as it is....
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Professionalism in sport is inevitable. It's already semi professional
Will it rival soccer - certainly has the potential to be bigger than League of Ireland, Pro 14 in Ireland
Anyone saying they wouldn't attend if it turns professional is talking nonsense. What would you do? Spit the dummy and go watch Soccer/ Basketball/Athletics/MMA/Rugby/Golf??????? Oops
A thriving professional sport in Football is easily achievable and could be done fairly if the GAA had the Vision to take it on instead of this slow creep to a non-sustainable, semi-professional fiasco we are currently in.
Even semi-pro Hurling wouldn't be sustainable in any scenario.
Also, some lads talking about refusing to watch a combined team made up of 2 or 3 counties obviously hasn't been part of a club that has been forced into amalgamation to keep at the top level.
Anyone ever heard of Corofin- they seem to be doing alright- fair bit of interest in them at the minute also.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 696 - 16/05/2019 04:04:26would pro gaelic games really be bigger than pro14? Why? How?
semi pro hurling certainly would be sustainable for the top counties. 5 in Munster and the top 5 in leinster playing each other in league and then cup games for season of 15 or so games more than enough then time for clubs....
home/away league games and then 2 cups, provincial and an all ireland. guaranteed number of home games to help sell season tickets etc.
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This again ?
It aint going professional - there is simply no appetite for it and would be the end of the GAA - football especially .
I'm convinced that this old chestnut comes from 1 of 3 sources
1) Non GAA folks looking to demean the heart and soul of the GAA
2) Opportunistic Media types looking for attention - an angle from which to spout forgettable nonsense.
3) Ex players or ageing players - again for attention or relevance.
There is always an agenda with this.. and its nothing to do with improving our games.
Finsceal (None) - Posts: 540 - 16/05/2019 10:26:04 thats a bit ridiculous! how would it be end of gaa and football more than anything else.
you are a bit paranoid if you think its any one of these sources....
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Replying To KillingFields: "By the nature of such a set up you could have players playing that are not from your own county. I would have no interest in say a Dublin/ Meath combination / franchise team. Or a Kildare Laois Offaly combination and where would they play? Would new stadiums have to be built?
lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2902 - 14/05/2019 22:31:41Dublin in any professional set up would never need to join with anyone and neither would counties like Meath, Kildare etc as theyve big populations and are well backed as it is...
only the very smallest of rural counties may have to do that..
Why would new stadiums have to be built?
No they wouldn't. Besides family and friends football and hurling is the love of GAA players lives. It's what they look forward to when they're working, studying, getting on with life. Making it professional means it's their job. Arguably hurling and gaelic football are the purest most noble sports in the world because they are amateur, players play for the jersey not for money. By all means give them more expenses, maybe a tax rebate at the end of their careers. But trying to turn it professional, when the GAA top brass are determined to make an elite division and not care about the lower standards will just encourage some players from weaker counties to move to elite counties for more money and glory.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5061 - 14/05/2019 23:56:11get over yourself saying gaelic and hurling are purest and most noble as theyre solely amatuer.
cant really do a tax rebate considering the players are in such varied careers as it is...." 'Arguably' I said. Perhaps you could suggest more noble and purer sports? What difference does a person's career have to do with a tax rebate at the end of their career. The farmer and the surgeon playing ball put in the effort for their county. They might be recompensed based on that rather than how well or badly they are paid. God knows revenue have taken enough money in VAT from GAA related activities either directly or indirectly.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7324 - 16/05/2019 20:20:54
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Replying To yew_tree: "If that ever happens that will be the day I stop supporting the GAA...I would continue at club but outside that no interest" How would you stop supporting the GAA if you are still involved with the club?
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Replying To yew_tree: "The GAA is very parochial...parish against parish, town against town, county v county....I think we all identity with our county before our country.
It's what makes it special, unique and despite what some may say, the GAA is the heartbeat of every town and village in Ireland." How is city v city or province v province any different? You do understand towns and villages will still be allowed play football right?? no one is saying ban them from playing football.
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Replying To yew_tree: "Exactly...what 5 million or so on a small island...the population ain't there to support a professional sport that is only played here by and large." Have you some facts to back up your claims?
How can womens Aussie Rules support a professional league and expand to 14 teams in the 2020 season with less support? If each footballer was paid 20,000 and a panel of 30 thats 600,000 yearly 8 teams is 4,800,000 the GAA's Annual Revenue for 2017 was €65.6 million so its easy done.
brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 17/05/2019 00:27:26
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Replying To KillingFields: "This again ?
It aint going professional - there is simply no appetite for it and would be the end of the GAA - football especially .
I'm convinced that this old chestnut comes from 1 of 3 sources
1) Non GAA folks looking to demean the heart and soul of the GAA
2) Opportunistic Media types looking for attention - an angle from which to spout forgettable nonsense.
3) Ex players or ageing players - again for attention or relevance.
There is always an agenda with this.. and its nothing to do with improving our games.
Finsceal (None) - Posts: 540 - 16/05/2019 10:26:04 thats a bit ridiculous! how would it be end of gaa and football more than anything else.
you are a bit paranoid if you think its any one of these sources...." sorry add below to above list.
4) trolls
Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 17/05/2019 09:18:20
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Replying To brisbane: "Have you some facts to back up your claims?
How can womens Aussie Rules support a professional league and expand to 14 teams in the 2020 season with less support? If each footballer was paid 20,000 and a panel of 30 thats 600,000 yearly 8 teams is 4,800,000 the GAA's Annual Revenue for 2017 was €65.6 million so its easy done." 20,000 is more like an allowance than a salary. I think that's a distinct possibility that players would be paid those kinds of sums under a player grant scheme while also studying and working. It's hardly professionalism though.
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "20,000 is more like an allowance than a salary. I think that's a distinct possibility that players would be paid those kinds of sums under a player grant scheme while also studying and working. It's hardly professionalism though." If they rented their facilities to other sports and threw on a few more concerts every year that would nearly cover the costs Gerry.
It's a funny sport we have where everyone gets paid except the lads that do all the work (the players)
Communism at its finest.
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Replying To brisbane: "How is city v city or province v province any different? You do understand towns and villages will still be allowed play football right?? no one is saying ban them from playing football." Nobody has an emotional attachment to Proviences playing each other in GAA..if u even need to ask you don't understand the GAA
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Replying To yew_tree: "Exactly...what 5 million or so on a small island...the population ain't there to support a professional sport that is only played here by and large." First of all The population of the Island of Ireland in 2016 was approximately 6.6 million. How can womens Aussie Rules support a professional league and expand to 14 teams in the 2020 season with less support? If each footballer was paid 20,000 give or take and a panel of 30 thats 600,000 yearly 8 teams is 4,800,000 the GAA's Annual Revenue for 2017 was €65.6 million so its easy done.
Can you please explain how The GAA can not support 8 professional teams? What figures are you basing your statement on?
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I am neutral in this but I have a few observations.
1-if there were 30 or 35matches a year for each team then plenty of money would be generated.
2- Australia has approx 3 times the population and supports a pro Aussie rules league with an average salary of about 200k Euros. Divide by 3 and you get a good euros salary
3- they have a pro women's league.
5-Gaelic football and hurling could have a pro franchise in London New Yorkand Boston. Unlike Aussie rules.
See the link below for a good areseatch paper on Aussie rules economics. (Warning long read)
Interestingly, in the early days there were geographical restrictions on who a player could play for.
My own view is that some kind of compromise could be found utilizing colleges and the tax code.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ross_Booth/publication/46443084_The_Economic_Development_Of_The_Australian_Football_League/links/00463518c41cbf3417000000/The-Economic-Development-Of-The-Australian-Football-League.pdf?origin=publication_detail
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Replying To brisbane: "First of all The population of the Island of Ireland in 2016 was approximately 6.6 million. How can womens Aussie Rules support a professional league and expand to 14 teams in the 2020 season with less support? If each footballer was paid 20,000 give or take and a panel of 30 thats 600,000 yearly 8 teams is 4,800,000 the GAA's Annual Revenue for 2017 was €65.6 million so its easy done.
Can you please explain how The GAA can not support 8 professional teams? What figures are you basing your statement on?" The Railway Cup eventually disintegrated because of lack of supporter interest. How would your proposal work even on an amateur scale. Why would people spend money going to see these games if they're already happy enough going to intercounty games. Why would intercounty players leave their county squads to go and play professionally for regional teams?
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Replying To GreenandRed: "The Railway Cup eventually disintegrated because of lack of supporter interest. How would your proposal work even on an amateur scale. Why would people spend money going to see these games if they're already happy enough going to intercounty games. Why would intercounty players leave their county squads to go and play professionally for regional teams?" Why would intercounty players leave their county squads to go and play professionally for regional teams?
Same reason intercounty players leave their county squads to go and play professionally for Aussie rules team because its PROFESSIONAL lol. My proposal is for a PROFESSIONAL football league why do you want me to explain how a amateur football league would work when there is one every year in spring?? The 8 teams could be any 8 teams there are just suggestions i put forward as an example based on regions/populations/football areas.
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Replying To shaneShankill: "I am neutral in this but I have a few observations.
1-if there were 30 or 35matches a year for each team then plenty of money would be generated.
2- Australia has approx 3 times the population and supports a pro Aussie rules league with an average salary of about 200k Euros. Divide by 3 and you get a good euros salary
3- they have a pro women's league.
5-Gaelic football and hurling could have a pro franchise in London New Yorkand Boston. Unlike Aussie rules.
See the link below for a good areseatch paper on Aussie rules economics. (Warning long read)
Interestingly, in the early days there were geographical restrictions on who a player could play for.
My own view is that some kind of compromise could be found utilizing colleges and the tax code.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ross_Booth/publication/46443084_The_Economic_Development_Of_The_Australian_Football_League/links/00463518c41cbf3417000000/The-Economic-Development-Of-The-Australian-Football-League.pdf?origin=publication_detail" Thanks for the link interesting read.
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Replying To shaneShankill: "I am neutral in this but I have a few observations.
1-if there were 30 or 35matches a year for each team then plenty of money would be generated.
2- Australia has approx 3 times the population and supports a pro Aussie rules league with an average salary of about 200k Euros. Divide by 3 and you get a good euros salary
3- they have a pro women's league.
5-Gaelic football and hurling could have a pro franchise in London New Yorkand Boston. Unlike Aussie rules.
See the link below for a good areseatch paper on Aussie rules economics. (Warning long read)
Interestingly, in the early days there were geographical restrictions on who a player could play for.
My own view is that some kind of compromise could be found utilizing colleges and the tax code.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ross_Booth/publication/46443084_The_Economic_Development_Of_The_Australian_Football_League/links/00463518c41cbf3417000000/The-Economic-Development-Of-The-Australian-Football-League.pdf?origin=publication_detail" If you go professional with formal contracts it's open season on player movement and counties buying success. Eu employment law will supersede any restrictions that the GAA put in place.
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "If you go professional with formal contracts it's open season on player movement and counties buying success. Eu employment law will supersede any restrictions that the GAA put in place." Yes players like Emlyn Mulligan of leitrim could play with top players on top teams on the big occasions instead he as left the leitrim panel after one game its very unfair on the players from smaller counties who have no chance of playing in a All Ireland. Mayo and Kerry posters seem to be the the main objectors to a equal fair professional league on here.
brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 18/05/2019 13:08:04
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Replying To brisbane: "Yes players like Emlyn Mulligan of leitrim could play with top players on top teams on the big occasions instead he as left the leitrim panel after one game its very unfair on the players from smaller counties who have no chance of playing in a All Ireland. Mayo and Kerry posters seem to be the the main objectors to a equal fair professional league on here." I have no objection to a professional game but just be aware that it could have unintended consequences and would need to be set up and managed very carefully. I'd have grave concerns over many county boards abilities to manage larger budgets and player contracts etc for a start.
Btw It's already possible to switch clubs and counties it's just not done very often, not by top players anyway. I was simply making the point that if we go down the route of professionalism then employment law rather than GAA rules kick in, opening up all sorts of potential issues for teams.
It would also kill clubs, in a pro game the professional teams will not want their players playing club football and risking injury. This issue already exists to an extent with county v club but it would be massively exacerbated.
I also doubt the market is there personally. Like I said I think we will see pay for play through grants but we are a while away from being able to support a fully pro game.
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