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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Cork might be the team to watch in this years hurling championship." Hopefully...!
Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3743 - 16/04/2024 21:35:43
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The All-Ireland draw has thrown up some interesting pairings. Win a Connacht title to Derry and the Ulster runners-up or lose and take on Dublin?
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7915 - 30/04/2024 17:28:02
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Replying To legendzxix: "The All-Ireland draw has thrown up some interesting pairings. Win a Connacht title to Derry and the Ulster runners-up or lose and take on Dublin?" What a chance for Meath to make it through to last 8.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2023 - 30/04/2024 17:35:58
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Replying To legendzxix: "The All-Ireland draw has thrown up some interesting pairings. Win a Connacht title to Derry and the Ulster runners-up or lose and take on Dublin?" Dublin v Derry/Mayo/Galway semi.
Kerry v winners in final. No mystery.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2651 - 30/04/2024 18:15:03
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GAA better pray for a Dublin v Derry semi, it'll be the only sellout outside of the final!
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8603 - 30/04/2024 19:30:43
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Replying To Saynothing: "What a chance for Meath to make it through to last 8." What a chance for Louth to do the same. No reason if we play to our ability we cannot beat Meath and Monaghan
DundalkGael (Louth) - Posts: 897 - 30/04/2024 20:08:15
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Cork might be the team to watch in this years hurling championship." If they don't beat Limerick in their next game they will be the team watching all the other teams in the hurling championship on tv….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1973 - 30/04/2024 20:53:39
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Using the terminology "Group of Death" is nonsense with 3 teams qualifying out of each group.
Top 2 teams only should advance. It's ridiculous.
suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1676 - 30/04/2024 21:18:10
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Replying To realdub: "GAA better pray for a Dublin v Derry semi, it'll be the only sellout outside of the final!" Lol
S1234 (Mayo) - Posts: 47 - 30/04/2024 22:16:26
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Replying To suckvalleypaddy: "Using the terminology "Group of Death" is nonsense with 3 teams qualifying out of each group.
Top 2 teams only should advance. It's ridiculous." Should only be two but they want to make money, ahem, avoid dead rubbers.
Possible preliminary quarter-finals could feature:
Group runners-up: Derry or Connacht winners, Connacht RU (Galway/Mayo), Tyrone and Monaghan.
Third placed: Ulster RU (Armagh/Donegal), Roscommon, Cork and Meath.
Munster RU, Leinster RU and Westmeath are in danger of being knocked out after two rounds. Happens to Westmeath if they lose first 2 and Derry win first 2. It will happen to the Munster RU if they lose their first 2 and the Ulster champions win their first 2. Happens the Leinster RU if they lose their first 2 and the Munster winner wins their first 2.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7915 - 30/04/2024 22:31:03
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Replying To suckvalleypaddy: "Using the terminology "Group of Death" is nonsense with 3 teams qualifying out of each group.
Top 2 teams only should advance. It's ridiculous." Group of slow death be more apt.
I said it before but its like the dreadful group qualifiers they had in hurling about 20 years ago.
Almost destroyed Dublin! 14 straight defeats, half of them in group stages after an initial hammering in Leinster.
It was like "Can we not just go home now?" :-)
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2651 - 30/04/2024 22:46:39
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Is there still the rule or at least the desire to avoid repeat pairings this year? I was really hoping to draw Dublin as this way now probably means we will meet them in the semi-final if we get there.
Jazzyjeff (Derry) - Posts: 168 - 30/04/2024 23:07:00
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Lop sided draw suits Kerry and Dublin
Really need to change the seeding so that provincial RUP are not seeded. All seedings should be based on league (except provincial winners).
The big problem for the Ulster Rup and Connacht finalists is that the prelim qfinals looms now and they will have to win 3 games in 3 weeks to make the semi finals.
If last year's results are anything to go by then
1. Provincial winners struggle in the first round of matches
2. Provincial runners up do best in the first round
3. Leinster teams are cannon fodder, as are teams who wouldn't have qualified if the whole thing was based on league placings
Kerry can plan for all Ireland q finals but won't be tested when they get there
Dublin dont have any cannon fodder this year but having home advantage v Connacht Rup will make the difference in guaranteeing a qfinals - having that match in Limerick or thurles would be a savage occasion, but instead Dublin get to play on their home pitch where they have only lost 2 matches in 9 years!
For Mayo/Galway they have two choices
A. Burst a gut to win Connacht, win, then Home v League winners (ambush written all over it), away v Westmeath
If you haven't won 3 matches in a row, you'll a 2 games in 3 weeks v Donegal or Armagh in Breffni park/Hyde Park, prelim q final, then qfinal (which could be Dublin)
B. Put out the 2nd team in the Connacht final, lose, then an away match v Cavan, over to Hyde Park v Rossies
Having won't both of those, roll out the B team v Dublin and get ready for prelim q final (highly likely to be at home) and then the all Ireland q final against a group winner who isn't Dublin.
If I was Kevin McStay or Padraig Joyce, I'd be picking route B. It would cause uproar - but hopefully that uproar will cause the GAA to cop on and change the structure so Kerry and Dublin don't always have the Cards stacked in their favour and Ulster and Connacht are no longer getting punished for taking provincial football seriously.
The reality is doing badly in your province results in a handier All Ireland Group and thus better chance of winning SAM.
Here is hope Mayo and/or Galway call it all out by stinking Pearse Stadium out next week
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1140 - 01/05/2024 04:02:06
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Lop sided draw suits Kerry and Dublin
Really need to change the seeding so that provincial RUP are not seeded. All seedings should be based on league (except provincial winners).
The big problem for the Ulster Rup and Connacht finalists is that the prelim qfinals looms now and they will have to win 3 games in 3 weeks to make the semi finals.
If last year's results are anything to go by then
1. Provincial winners struggle in the first round of matches
2. Provincial runners up do best in the first round
3. Leinster teams are cannon fodder, as are teams who wouldn't have qualified if the whole thing was based on league placings
Kerry can plan for all Ireland q finals but won't be tested when they get there
Dublin dont have any cannon fodder this year but having home advantage v Connacht Rup will make the difference in guaranteeing a qfinals - having that match in Limerick or thurles would be a savage occasion, but instead Dublin get to play on their home pitch where they have only lost 2 matches in 9 years!
For Mayo/Galway they have two choices
A. Burst a gut to win Connacht, win, then Home v League winners (ambush written all over it), away v Westmeath
If you haven't won 3 matches in a row, you'll a 2 games in 3 weeks v Donegal or Armagh in Breffni park/Hyde Park, prelim q final, then qfinal (which could be Dublin)
B. Put out the 2nd team in the Connacht final, lose, then an away match v Cavan, over to Hyde Park v Rossies
Having won't both of those, roll out the B team v Dublin and get ready for prelim q final (highly likely to be at home) and then the all Ireland q final against a group winner who isn't Dublin.
If I was Kevin McStay or Padraig Joyce, I'd be picking route B. It would cause uproar - but hopefully that uproar will cause the GAA to cop on and change the structure so Kerry and Dublin don't always have the Cards stacked in their favour and Ulster and Connacht are no longer getting punished for taking provincial football seriously.
The reality is doing badly in your province results in a handier All Ireland Group and thus better chance of winning SAM.
Here is hope Mayo and/or Galway call it all out by stinking Pearse Stadium out next week" Interesting post. As Dublin are playing all their Leinster championship games in Croke Park and will also play their first qualifier game against Roscommon in Croke Park, surely the Gaa would not schedule the NEUTRAL venue for the Dublin match against the Connacht losers ( Mayo / Galway) for Croke Park again. They will lose all credibility if they do so. Its a long way from Belmullet to Croke Park, for example.
I would think a lot of Dublin supporters would also like another day out / weekend away on 15th/16th June.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 535 - 01/05/2024 09:12:41
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If it's Mayo v Dublin how about Hyde Park as a neutral venue? No chance. GAA will want maximum profit and that fixture will be in Croke Park.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11248 - 01/05/2024 09:37:53
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I had to smile when I saw the HS headline page about the "group of death" indicating that we are in for great drama in the group stages, nothing could be further from the truth. Most people could make a good guess as to who the 12 qualifiers will be, it reminds me of Formula 1 where they have a practice day to see who gets pole positions. I understand the logic in that they don't want any dead rubber games but you could argue that all the games in the Leinster and Munster championship are dead rubber games.
Just think how exciting the group stages could be if only the top 2 from each group qualified, as well as making a big dent in the already crowded football season and you would then have a genuine " group of death".
tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 277 - 01/05/2024 09:39:15
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Lop sided draw suits Kerry and Dublin
Really need to change the seeding so that provincial RUP are not seeded. All seedings should be based on league (except provincial winners).
The big problem for the Ulster Rup and Connacht finalists is that the prelim qfinals looms now and they will have to win 3 games in 3 weeks to make the semi finals.
If last year's results are anything to go by then
1. Provincial winners struggle in the first round of matches
2. Provincial runners up do best in the first round
3. Leinster teams are cannon fodder, as are teams who wouldn't have qualified if the whole thing was based on league placings
Kerry can plan for all Ireland q finals but won't be tested when they get there
Dublin dont have any cannon fodder this year but having home advantage v Connacht Rup will make the difference in guaranteeing a qfinals - having that match in Limerick or thurles would be a savage occasion, but instead Dublin get to play on their home pitch where they have only lost 2 matches in 9 years!
For Mayo/Galway they have two choices
A. Burst a gut to win Connacht, win, then Home v League winners (ambush written all over it), away v Westmeath
If you haven't won 3 matches in a row, you'll a 2 games in 3 weeks v Donegal or Armagh in Breffni park/Hyde Park, prelim q final, then qfinal (which could be Dublin)
B. Put out the 2nd team in the Connacht final, lose, then an away match v Cavan, over to Hyde Park v Rossies
Having won't both of those, roll out the B team v Dublin and get ready for prelim q final (highly likely to be at home) and then the all Ireland q final against a group winner who isn't Dublin.
If I was Kevin McStay or Padraig Joyce, I'd be picking route B. It would cause uproar - but hopefully that uproar will cause the GAA to cop on and change the structure so Kerry and Dublin don't always have the Cards stacked in their favour and Ulster and Connacht are no longer getting punished for taking provincial football seriously.
The reality is doing badly in your province results in a handier All Ireland Group and thus better chance of winning SAM.
Here is hope Mayo and/or Galway call it all out by stinking Pearse Stadium out next week" It really is a very surreal situation for Galway and Mayo to be in as the losers have an enhanced chance of progressing to the All Ireland Final as Dublin would be avoided in quarter finals and semi finals. As I mentioned previously getting drawn with Dublin in the group stage is the ideal draw for the stronger teams despite having more than likely to play a preliminary quarter final.
As a Mayo supporter I always want to see Mayo winning but Sundays game does present a dilemma. Surely a sensible thing would have been to wait till after all the provincial finals had been completed before making the draw and thus avoiding the above scenario.
edu (Mayo) - Posts: 34 - 01/05/2024 09:53:42
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What were the GAA thinking about by making the group draws before the provincial finals… and I don't buy this nonsense of giving teams time to prepare… that's horse d..g… yet another GAA cock up… can they even get the simplest of things right…?
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1973 - 01/05/2024 10:13:34
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I agree that the draw should be done after provincial finals ffs. However, real GAA people would want to win their province so I don't care about who does be in groups. Fed up with the hype about Ulster teams also. They are no better than the rest of us. Gaillimh Abu.
maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 01/05/2024 10:24:50
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Replying To yew_tree: "If it's Mayo v Dublin how about Hyde Park as a neutral venue? No chance. GAA will want maximum profit and that fixture will be in Croke Park." Belmullet to Roscommon 161km
Dublin to Riscommon 155km
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 535 - 01/05/2024 10:27:41
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