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Replying To tearintom:  "Didnt see the comments but in regards to playing football or hurling in club championship September is prime month for that no matter what.

I think the real frustration is the lack of breaks and flexibility, games yesterday should have been moved, but to when? There is no breaks, no space to adjust or change or give players and managers etc a break, as much a bloody break for the head as anything physical.

Its bonkers what we are doing in wexford really imho."
I saw a proposal last year where the top team of 6 got straight to semi final and earned a week off. Like any idea that makes sense I presume it got very little support.

wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 139 - 25/09/2023 12:35:00    2505599

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "But even during alternate weekends pre 2020 there was adult championship every weekend once the Wexford Senior teams were finished, the breaks were for players more focused on 1 code over another or if a player was carrying a knock he might sit out a football game to save himself for hurling the following weekend or vice versa."
It was slightly different pre-2020, in that we got two rounds of both football and hurling played during the 'Club Month' of April. But yes, once the club championships resumed (generally around mid to late July in those days), it was week after week after week for the full 12 rounds that were left.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2258 - 25/09/2023 12:38:51    2505601

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "One name came straight to mind when I read what you said about somebody posting on X, so I checked his account, and yup, it's him all right.

But....it's September. Yesterday was a particularly bad September day all right, but it's not unreasonable to run a championship in September. Particularly when you consider that in "the old way" (i.e. pre-split season), everybody wanted and burst their gut to be playing into October anyway, because that's when the county finals were.

Also not the case that football only ever gets bad weather through having to go second. Two weeks ago, it was so hot that Co. Board re-introduced water breaks for the football matches that weekend.

And let's say this year's championships were run on a basis of either alternating weeks or alternating blocks of two weeks. Football would have gone first, because the football championships have to finish first. Assuming that the championships would have started on the same weekend (Friday June 30 - Sunday July 2), this would have been a football weekend either way anyway.

If that lad only wants to play football in good weather, maybe he should think about a transfer to somewhere like Madrid Harps or Dubai Celts :)"
Well said

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 403 - 25/09/2023 12:53:02    2505607

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Replying To wexfordwin:  "I saw a proposal last year where the top team of 6 got straight to semi final and earned a week off. Like any idea that makes sense I presume it got very little support."
Am fairly sure that was a CCCC proposal. Either way, it got little or no support from clubs.

The "problem" as they saw it was that it would mean only three teams out of six would qualify - the two first-placed teams would go straight to semi-finals, and then the second- and third-placed teams in each group would play quarter-finals for the other two semi-final spots.

Fourth-placed team would be finished, and so clubs of course wouldn't vote for something that would lessen their own chances of making it out of the group.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2258 - 25/09/2023 13:52:31    2505620

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "It was slightly different pre-2020, in that we got two rounds of both football and hurling played during the 'Club Month' of April. But yes, once the club championships resumed (generally around mid to late July in those days), it was week after week after week for the full 12 rounds that were left."
Yeah I was just paraphrasing to be honest but the point I'm making all this talk of rest weekends is silly as they really never existed, free weekends would arise for individual players if they only played 1 code or if management decided to rest a player for 1 code or another at a particular weekend or if a club was knocked out early of 1 code it would free up there schedule, take Cork and Tipp 2 counties similar to Wexford in that they've a substantial championships in both codes, they've games on every weekend at the moment but as it hurling 1 weekend football the next alot of players in those counties are only out every 2nd week, the thing unique to Wexford is single code players are the large minority.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 25/09/2023 13:58:44    2505622

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Yeah I was just paraphrasing to be honest but the point I'm making all this talk of rest weekends is silly as they really never existed, free weekends would arise for individual players if they only played 1 code or if management decided to rest a player for 1 code or another at a particular weekend or if a club was knocked out early of 1 code it would free up there schedule, take Cork and Tipp 2 counties similar to Wexford in that they've a substantial championships in both codes, they've games on every weekend at the moment but as it hurling 1 weekend football the next alot of players in those counties are only out every 2nd week, the thing unique to Wexford is single code players are the large minority."
Dual code?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12147 - 25/09/2023 15:06:07    2505637

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Yeah I was just paraphrasing to be honest but the point I'm making all this talk of rest weekends is silly as they really never existed, free weekends would arise for individual players if they only played 1 code or if management decided to rest a player for 1 code or another at a particular weekend or if a club was knocked out early of 1 code it would free up there schedule, take Cork and Tipp 2 counties similar to Wexford in that they've a substantial championships in both codes, they've games on every weekend at the moment but as it hurling 1 weekend football the next alot of players in those counties are only out every 2nd week, the thing unique to Wexford is single code players are the large minority."
Interesting reading the Galway thread where the point is made there aren't many dual players up there relatively either

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12147 - 25/09/2023 15:08:34    2505643

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The main issue with the games yesterday was the time of day. Other than that, the co board have little choice but to have games on every weekend. If they ran alternative hurling and football, we'd still have the same problem. But it will suit the very few one code players, and it will then revert back to suiting to one code clubs and will further reduce numbers of players playing both codes to the highest club level and having more choice of players. Our weakest hurling county team in years was when Oulart were completely unchallenged in hurling. We now have clubs who were junior at that time playing senior and have players who would never have been considered in our county set ups. the week on week off will just reduce the amount of time devoted to each code and we'll be worse off for it.

The biggest issue is that we dont have gaps or weekends off between groups/finals etc but that is because of the condensed Leinster championship. If that was opened back out again, it would give Wexford much more opportunity to spread out games and have some breaks between games.

james2011 (Wexford) - Posts: 602 - 25/09/2023 15:11:16    2505646

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Yeah I was just paraphrasing to be honest but the point I'm making all this talk of rest weekends is silly as they really never existed, free weekends would arise for individual players if they only played 1 code or if management decided to rest a player for 1 code or another at a particular weekend or if a club was knocked out early of 1 code it would free up there schedule, take Cork and Tipp 2 counties similar to Wexford in that they've a substantial championships in both codes, they've games on every weekend at the moment but as it hurling 1 weekend football the next alot of players in those counties are only out every 2nd week, the thing unique to Wexford is single code players are the large minority."
Yeah, you're 100% right, and I'm agreeing with you. Was just pointing out the only slight difference was that it used to be that you first wouldn't have had a free weekend in the April "Club Month", and then wouldn't have a free weekend when things resumed later in the year.

And for as long as clubs continue to vote for two groups of six, that's the way it'll continue to be.

Incidentally, I was thinking again about how there'll be midweek replays rather than penalty shoot-outs if any knock-out matches finish level after extra time.

Of course nobody would like to lose in a shoot-out, but while it might have seemed like a good idea when the vote was taken last November to find a way to try avoid them, I daresay every player who lined out in a hurling quarter-final onwards was thinking "I hope we don't end up with a replay on Tuesday or Wednesday night". And everybody who'll go out to play a football quarter-final onwards will be thinking the same.

Will be interesting to see if that one remains on the books for next year, or if we'll go back to penalties and "proper" winner-on-the-day.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2258 - 25/09/2023 15:14:25    2505648

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Also i think to be fair to who i think was tweeting he isnt saying that they shouldnt be playing football in September!

Just that it would be nice to be able to play a bit of football during the majority of July and August also which in my opinion is a fair enough ask.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1353 - 25/09/2023 15:22:08    2505653

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Replying To tearintom:  "Also i think to be fair to who i think was tweeting he isnt saying that they shouldnt be playing football in September!

Just that it would be nice to be able to play a bit of football during the majority of July and August also which in my opinion is a fair enough ask."
Yeah, but the stormclouds emojis at the end definitely suggest that he in turn in suggesting that playing in July & August would mean they wouldn't have to line out in conditions like yesterday. And as already pointed out, even if the championships had been run this year as alternate weeks or alternate blocks of two weeks, yesterday would have been a football day anyway.

Incidentally, I see he later asked if somebody could explain 'Sex Education' on Netflix to him. For anybody's who seen it, that's a fair enough ask too!

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2258 - 25/09/2023 16:01:15    2505668

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Realistically could hurling have been played yesterday anyone at any match morning afternoon or evening. Knows there is no way hurling could have went ahead.
If at any stage over the years it does happen that the final round games can't be played on a given day and it could happen to either code in such tight schedule what will happen .
Final round would be disaster for cccc other rounds could be spread out I assume over following week but Final round has to be played simultaneously.
Yesterday was a day nothing dhoukd have went ahead .
I do notice no videos have been posted from games on wexford gaa is this to stop the uproar over te conditions they were played in to save face .
Usually show goals did someone from within asjmk tyem not to post.
Maybe I'm just cynical and they may appear yet . Attended 2 games yesterday and to say pitches were waterlogged and unsafe is an understatement

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 184 - 25/09/2023 21:03:49    2505721

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Replying To tearintom:  "Also i think to be fair to who i think was tweeting he isnt saying that they shouldnt be playing football in September!

Just that it would be nice to be able to play a bit of football during the majority of July and August also which in my opinion is a fair enough ask."
I'd be in favour of going back to alternate weekends myself but in fairness July and August aren't immune from bad weather, off the top of my head I was at Annes Harriers, Oilgate Glynn, Oulart Rathnure in late July all in miserable weather.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 25/09/2023 22:00:07    2505728

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Yeah, but the stormclouds emojis at the end definitely suggest that he in turn in suggesting that playing in July & August would mean they wouldn't have to line out in conditions like yesterday. And as already pointed out, even if the championships had been run this year as alternate weeks or alternate blocks of two weeks, yesterday would have been a football day anyway.

Incidentally, I see he later asked if somebody could explain 'Sex Education' on Netflix to him. For anybody's who seen it, that's a fair enough ask too!"
Short memories on one of the wettest Julys we have had in years.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1806 - 26/09/2023 03:42:16    2505736

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If you all knew the poster in question, he would be delighted that ye are all talking about his tweet.

hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 957 - 26/09/2023 09:34:06    2505744

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Realistically could hurling have been played yesterday anyone at any match morning afternoon or evening. Knows there is no way hurling could have went ahead.
If at any stage over the years it does happen that the final round games can't be played on a given day and it could happen to either code in such tight schedule what will happen .
Final round would be disaster for cccc other rounds could be spread out I assume over following week but Final round has to be played simultaneously.
Yesterday was a day nothing dhoukd have went ahead .
I do notice no videos have been posted from games on wexford gaa is this to stop the uproar over te conditions they were played in to save face .
Usually show goals did someone from within asjmk tyem not to post.
Maybe I'm just cynical and they may appear yet . Attended 2 games yesterday and to say pitches were waterlogged and unsafe is an understatement"
Hurling played in other counties over the weekend

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12147 - 26/09/2023 10:07:11    2505750

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To free up more time and weekends the way things are at present, either have to go back to groups of 3 or 4 or one group of 12 and play 4 rounds only

lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 188 - 26/09/2023 10:21:27    2505753

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Replying To Viking66:  "Hurling played in other counties over the weekend"
Maybe some shouldn't have, listening to the weekend reviews Eire Og and Clonlara on TG4 defiantly shouldn't have anyway.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 26/09/2023 11:16:02    2505768

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Realistically could hurling have been played yesterday anyone at any match morning afternoon or evening. Knows there is no way hurling could have went ahead.
If at any stage over the years it does happen that the final round games can't be played on a given day and it could happen to either code in such tight schedule what will happen .
Final round would be disaster for cccc other rounds could be spread out I assume over following week but Final round has to be played simultaneously.
Yesterday was a day nothing dhoukd have went ahead .
I do notice no videos have been posted from games on wexford gaa is this to stop the uproar over te conditions they were played in to save face .
Usually show goals did someone from within asjmk tyem not to post.
Maybe I'm just cynical and they may appear yet . Attended 2 games yesterday and to say pitches were waterlogged and unsafe is an understatement"
You got me thinking.

Conditions were atrocious on Sunday evening, particularly for the second games. But if they'd been postponed, then they would have had to be played midweek sometime this week. Presume that rightly or wrongly, they decided that going ahead with them on Sunday was the lesser of two evils.

As for the videos on social media - usually they just post clips of goals being scored. There was only one goal scored in the two matches they streamed on Sunday. Maybe you're right, and they're deliberately not putting it up, so as not to draw attention to the conditions. Or maybe whoever normally puts up the clips just didn't get to it yet, or maybe it just wasn't a good goal in the first place - maybe a scramble or a goalkeeper error or something? I don't know as I wasn't there myself. Don't mind admitting I was at home watching rugby at that time on Sunday, instead of going to Wexford Park as a neutral.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2258 - 26/09/2023 11:18:50    2505769

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Replying To Viking66:  "Hurling played in other counties over the weekend"
Bad hurling played you mean.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1141 - 26/09/2023 12:57:40    2505812

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