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Yesterday, in Thurles, there was another case of Hawkeye not being used, when it should have been, in the Limeric/KK game. Is there any end to it?. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4344 - 23/05/2022 11:21:15 2419627 Link 2 |
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What was the issue exactly, was there some clearly wrong decisions (honestly asking, didn't see the full game)? As far as I'm aware, Hawkeye is only used when an umpire requests it, when a point is given but it was wide, and when a wide is given but it was a score. So you've all covered here. Hawkeye checks all and alerts if needed. If the referee wasn't alerted, that means that there was no issue with the original decision.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2411 - 23/05/2022 11:35:19 2419635 Link 1 |
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The umpire was ridiculously quick reaching for a white flag , I was close to the end line in new stand and even at the time it never looked over . OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 683 - 23/05/2022 11:38:57 2419641 Link 0 |
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From what I hear it there was 2 controversial decisions that went against Limerick { although it was acknowledged that KK were better team }. Still though these decisions should not happen why was hawk eye not used { money obviously } big difference between winning AI & losing clooney (Clare) - Posts: 893 - 23/05/2022 11:44:19 2419649 Link 0 |
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Why wasn't it used, is it a case of cost? Looking at the replay of the incident here on Hogantand, I notice that the umpire is behind the goal, which is fine if you want to make sure the ball has gone between the posts. But to make sure if the ball went over the bar or not, you'd need to be standing on the line. The umpire does make a move towards the line, but doesn't get there in time. In the defense of the umpire, if he isn't 100% sure the ball crossed the bar, he can't give a point. Remember, he see's the incidence only once in real time, no second or third look at it in slow motion. That said, the main issue is why wan't Hawkeye in use. I don't like knocking the GAA, but they do seem to shoot themselves in the foot regularly.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2482 - 23/05/2022 11:56:17 2419655 Link 0 |
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I am pretty sure that if it went to Hawk-eye, that the point would have been (incorrectly) awarded, as Hawkeye follows the flight/trajectory of the ball relatively to the goal-posts, and has never worked properly with regard to a goal-keeper stopping a ball over the cross-bar. Setanta11 (Louth) - Posts: 43 - 23/05/2022 12:20:33 2419662 Link 1 |
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Before I comment,the better team won on the day..I heard on local radio this morning that hawk eye would not be used for under 20 final according to a commentator for the game..I thought once a match was in thurles or croke park that the technology was used??if not why not?is it only used now for senior games?if this is case how come it's only coming to light now??another great idea from the powers that be.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2237 - 23/05/2022 12:40:42 2419667 Link 0 |
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The examiner have reported that hawk eye was in fact in use . They have asked the GAA to clarify why it wasn't used at the time of the point. The Sunday game showed clearly enough that it couldn't have been over. Its a huge shame that this happened.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1135 - 23/05/2022 12:55:43 2419673 Link 0 |
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Hawkeye in Croke Park at the Leinster semi final determined that the ball had gone over the bar before Eoin Murphy batted it back into play before Conor Mcdonald scored what would've been the winning goal. The goal was ruled out and a point awarded instead resulting in extra time. So Hawkeye obviously can determine if a ball went over the bar. Or can it?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12141 - 23/05/2022 13:05:40 2419680 Link 0 |
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More like, umpires in the news again? ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1141 - 23/05/2022 13:11:32 2419687 Link 1 |
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Well from I can have heard recently there is now a sensor in the ball and you would think that should be designed to be of some help in this situation. Anyway, the fact that a facility which is in situ was not used indicates a total disregard by the bug wigs in the GAA for these fine sportsmen.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4344 - 23/05/2022 13:19:31 2419691 Link 0 |
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Clooney The issue if which team was the better is not that relevant. I could tell of several games in which one side looked the better team in ordinary only for them to be destroyed in extra time (the '18 CK V LK game is a case in point). Cork should have won that game all day in ordinary time, but were nowhere in ET.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4344 - 23/05/2022 13:23:31 2419698 Link 0 |
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There's no long queue for volunteers waiting to officiate GAA games.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7376 - 23/05/2022 13:35:14 2419704 Link 3 |
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Yes you are correct. Hawkeye is exclusively to establish if a shot is a point or a wide. Any ball that is directed towards the posts but is saved before it goes over the crossbar will be given a " Ta" by Hawkeye if it is consulted. So to use Hawkeye in this instance would be inappropriate use of the technology as it would only compound the error made by the umpire. What would be needed in this particular instance is goal line technology to show that it was not a point.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1907 - 23/05/2022 13:37:37 2419707 Link 1 |
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Good Point Viking and in '19 Hogan brought down a ball and it was not deemed a point until after the ball was in the net at the other end, for a 'goal' for Tipp, which was of course disallowed. So indeed it is capable of determining whether a ball is over the bar or not.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4344 - 23/05/2022 13:37:40 2419708 Link 0 |
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I would not be so sure, the Wexford example is the same deal as the U20 one, hawkeye follows trajectory of ball ... so if ball stayed on original course then it would've been a point, nothing about if someone stops it's original course. Happened in a AI final with Tipp also... I have never seen a graphic showing ball crossing over bar (as in soccer).
Setanta11 (Louth) - Posts: 43 - 23/05/2022 13:39:14 2419711 Link 0 |
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Sensor in ball just relates to how it was manufactured, not for sensor passing through posts for example.
Setanta11 (Louth) - Posts: 43 - 23/05/2022 13:40:28 2419714 Link 0 |
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Sorry to disappoint everyone but Hawkeye was in use in Thurles for under 20 match, yes Hawkeye can determine whether ball had cleared crossbar as happened in instance previous poster referred to. Umpire made correct call yesterday, otherwise Hawkeye would have intervened. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1511 - 23/05/2022 14:27:32 2419739 Link 0 |
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That's not true. It knocked us out of the Leinster Championship last year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12141 - 23/05/2022 14:29:07 2419741 Link 0 |
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I agree indeed just making point that it was not sore grapes that complaints were being made it could have been a totally different picture if Xtra time had to be played
clooney (Clare) - Posts: 893 - 23/05/2022 14:34:35 2419745 Link 0 |