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So it's a game neither team wants to win? I think once your in the final you wanna win it. I don't think it will have any bearing on our championship meeting with Galway unless you were to pick up injuries. It's not a junior b team looking for confidence or revenge in their next game out. Mayo management and players are long enough around the block at this stage. We are actually privileged as fans to see our county play in so many big games and finals. Of course we live in hope of landing the big one as always.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11241 - 30/03/2022 16:41:02    2408450

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Replying To Belclare:  "Ah what rubbish..Durcan will play, Moran ? He's hardly ever played regularly. Cillian hasn't played in 2 years at this stage, prob finished anyways .
If James Horan stays at home ye may have a slight shot"
You'd swear Galway have beaten Horan on multiple occasions over the years the way you are talking :)))

Hes largely dominated , and made light work of teams in the Connacht championship during his two stints as manager.
Its in the All-Ireland series where Horan has stumbled, you know, against the elite teams at the business end of the championship ;)

Vish (USA) - Posts: 89 - 30/03/2022 16:54:31    2408457

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Finding it hard to pick a winner. Could be a first national final to be decided on penalties?

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 30/03/2022 17:03:46    2408462

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Replying To Yondu:  "Finding it hard to pick a winner. Could be a first national final to be decided on penalties?"
Could well be. Kerry rightfully favourites based on league form and their result on March 12th. Hopefully we'll not be too welded to stopping them playing and go at them a bit more and more accurately than that night. Weather conditions look to be more ideal for football this Sunday. May the best team win.

Maigh Eo Abú!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7375 - 30/03/2022 19:06:03    2408496

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Replying To Vish:  "You'd swear Galway have beaten Horan on multiple occasions over the years the way you are talking :)))

Hes largely dominated , and made light work of teams in the Connacht championship during his two stints as manager.
Its in the All-Ireland series where Horan has stumbled, you know, against the elite teams at the business end of the championship ;)"
Correct. Horan has a great record in the Connacht championship.. I think 6 titles and the only defeat was 2019 v Roscommon. So 6 titles out of 7 Connacht campaigns. He's fallen short in All Ireland Finals (4 Finals lost) but so has every other Mayo Manager since 1951.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2183 - 30/03/2022 19:08:08    2408499

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Any team in a league final or any final for that matter wants to win. Its a national senior title. How many senior national medals has Oisín Mullin? Pádraig Ó Hora? David Clifford? Jason Foley? Answer=zero. Of course both teams want to win and so do their supporters. Of course the losing team might learn more in the long run but that's irrelevant come Sunday. The pundits often say hungrier team always wins so maybe don't feed the players any breakfast lol.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3681 - 30/03/2022 20:02:52    2408508

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RTE panelists on Sunday night etc are saying Galway have no interest in winning division 2. They are also belittling the Taillteann Cup every Sunday night. This is terrible rubbish and the GAA leadership should speak up about this being spewed on the national airways on every show. We deserve better. Galway will not want to lose to Roscommon 2 consecutive weeks. Mayo will also want to beat Kerry and I hope they do. This has no bearing on the 24th of April.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1676 - 30/03/2022 21:31:56    2408514

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How many of you that vowed never to follow Mayo again after last season's All Ireland loss to Tyrone will be in Croke Park on Sunday? Let's face it we're addicted and have no choice!

ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 651 - 31/03/2022 09:20:41    2408533

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Replying To suckvalleypaddy:  "RTE panelists on Sunday night etc are saying Galway have no interest in winning division 2. They are also belittling the Taillteann Cup every Sunday night. This is terrible rubbish and the GAA leadership should speak up about this being spewed on the national airways on every show. We deserve better. Galway will not want to lose to Roscommon 2 consecutive weeks. Mayo will also want to beat Kerry and I hope they do. This has no bearing on the 24th of April."
Absolutely. PJ is a winner with a winning mentality and no way will want to lose particularly with the huge match that awaits us on April 24th. I worry though that for us and Ros while we have done everything more or less right and are improving the space occupied by the top few teams in Div 1 (which has to he said are the same teams as the last 10 yrs even if Dublin are coming back to the pack) seems to be as difficult as ever to break into. Anyway back to the thread. Kerry will go hammer and thongs on Sunday with no big test until the business end of the championship. Mayo have to box a bit cleverer I guess as they will encounter tougher tests (us and possibly Ros) sooner. Think Kerry will win on that basis.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1948 - 31/03/2022 11:20:32    2408587

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "Doubtful if Harrison,McLaughlin would be starting. Moran certainly wouldn't be. Mayo beat Kerry in 2019 league final without Cillian O'Connor.

Strongest possible Mayo team if Horan chooses to pick it Sunday and if Diarmuid O'Connor and Hennelly are certainly ruled out.

Byrne
Keegan O'Hara Mullen
Coen Durcan Plunkett
Flynn Ruane
K McLoughlin A O'Shea Loftus
Doherty O'Donoghue, Orme


I'm expecting a close game with a hair's breadth separating the two by the end of it. Might be touch of shadow boxing going also as there is a strong possibility that this will be the All Ireland final pairing in July."
Harrison would definitely start if fully fit, indeed that was probably the idea JH had by throwing him in against Kildare, sadly he got injured again. I like O'Hora's gutsiness but he's not a very tight man-marker.

Mark Moran has fallen off the radar completely since his debut a couple of years ago, which is unfortunate given that Mayo need a bit more leadership in the forwards, given the injuries to the O'Connor's and Tommy Conroy. Would hope Jason Doherty is fit to start for that reason.

I would personally start Aido on the bench and bring him on round the middle, he's not a centre-back.

IMO Kerry will probably win this as they are a bit better than us at the moment, but Mayo should nonetheless target a win, this business of teams going out "not showing your hand" is a load of blather. The likes of Tyrone and the Dubs have shown in recent decades that winning is a habit, and no better place to start than the league.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 01/04/2022 14:56:48    2408897

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I can't see anything other than a Kerry win here. Jack O'Connor will more than likely start 14/15 of his first choice team, where Horan will only start 9/10 of his current first choice players, partly due to injury but also with one eye on Galway. He'll go with players who need game time and may rest players also. Jack is on a mission to win the league, where as Horan is using it more to develop his panel. Im not saying Horan is sending out a team to lose, far from it, but his objectives are different to Kerry at this point in time. Kerry's big layoff before a meaningful game gor them lets them go at this hammer and thongs. Kerry by 4-6 points.

Flyingintraining (Mayo) - Posts: 13 - 01/04/2022 15:41:00    2408918

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Replying To ponga:  "How many of you that vowed never to follow Mayo again after last season's All Ireland loss to Tyrone will be in Croke Park on Sunday? Let's face it we're addicted and have no choice!"
Dead right Ponga. My Dad used to say the same to me as a child leaving Connacht matches after we lost, usually to a great Roscommon team. "I'm never going to watch them f&*%ers again"! But we'd go back every year and the buzz was magic, even in often defeats. Croke Park might as well have been on the moon then, though we got there for the League Final in '78. We should never ever take playing in Croke Park for granted.

Maigh Eo Abú!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7375 - 01/04/2022 15:43:52    2408921

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Harrison would definitely start if fully fit, indeed that was probably the idea JH had by throwing him in against Kildare, sadly he got injured again. I like O'Hora's gutsiness but he's not a very tight man-marker.

Mark Moran has fallen off the radar completely since his debut a couple of years ago, which is unfortunate given that Mayo need a bit more leadership in the forwards, given the injuries to the O'Connor's and Tommy Conroy. Would hope Jason Doherty is fit to start for that reason.

I would personally start Aido on the bench and bring him on round the middle, he's not a centre-back.

IMO Kerry will probably win this as they are a bit better than us at the moment, but Mayo should nonetheless target a win, this business of teams going out "not showing your hand" is a load of blather. The likes of Tyrone and the Dubs have shown in recent decades that winning is a habit, and no better place to start than the league."
Spot on Gleebo. A team going out not showing their hand isn't a confident team and overthinking any possible opponents reaction. Apparenly, according to John Casey, Cillian will be in the squad for Sunday. Needed as much for his leadership as his scoring ability and will occupy the thoughts of Kerry defenders more than most Mayo players if he gets some gametime. Hopefully Fergal Boland will start too.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7375 - 01/04/2022 15:57:31    2408927

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Dead right Ponga. My Dad used to say the same to me as a child leaving Connacht matches after we lost, usually to a great Roscommon team. "I'm never going to watch them f&*%ers again"! But we'd go back every year and the buzz was magic, even in often defeats. Croke Park might as well have been on the moon then, though we got there for the League Final in '78. We should never ever take playing in Croke Park for granted.

Maigh Eo Abú!"
The great Roscommon team 1977-1980. Four in a row Connacht champions and League champions 1979. Our best team since the 1940s. Best of luck to Mayo on Sunday. Mayo have a great tradition in the National Football League. Won six in a row in the 1930s.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2183 - 01/04/2022 16:02:20    2408929

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Based on the earlier meeting in Tralee a few weeks ago i think our neighbours will edge this final on Sunday. Only lost that match narrowly in Tralee and was due to having a 35% shooting accuracy, the likelihood of that repeating itself is probably slim

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3768 - 01/04/2022 16:23:32    2408942

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Replying To Flyingintraining:  "I can't see anything other than a Kerry win here. Jack O'Connor will more than likely start 14/15 of his first choice team, where Horan will only start 9/10 of his current first choice players, partly due to injury but also with one eye on Galway. He'll go with players who need game time and may rest players also. Jack is on a mission to win the league, where as Horan is using it more to develop his panel. Im not saying Horan is sending out a team to lose, far from it, but his objectives are different to Kerry at this point in time. Kerry's big layoff before a meaningful game gor them lets them go at this hammer and thongs. Kerry by 4-6 points."
Horan will play his his strongest possible team apart from injuries. Hennelly, Harrison and Diarmuid definitely out. Durcan and Cillian O'Connor might be back.

They certainly won't be resting Ryan O'Donoghue or Mattie Ruane for a game in 3 weeks time.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 01/04/2022 16:43:28    2408944

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Team announced:
Byrne; Keegan, Coen, O'Hora; Plunkett, Mullin, Hession; Flynn, Ruane; Loftus, A'OS, Carney; Carr, Doherty, O'Donoghue.

Cillian named on the bench, though no signs of the brother, Paddy Durcan or Rob Hennelly:

Reape, McHugh, Brickenden, McLaughlin, McLoughlin, Conor'OS, DCoen, McHale, Boland, Orme, O'Connor

Not much midfield cover really just Conor O'Shea. I expect Cillian will likely get the second half and Darren McHale should also get game time. Surprised McBrien didn't make the 26, unless he has a knock?

Looking at the two teams and especially with Sean O'Shea a starting option for Kerry they'll have a strong settled line up and one which is capable of converting possession into scores. I don't see us winning this and am thinking Kerry will be 5+ points to the good at the end. If Mayo get more than even share of ball and play with championship intensity then maybe they can deny the Kingdom, but I just don't see it.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 02/04/2022 09:39:51    2409003

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Replying To Pericles:  "Team announced:
Byrne; Keegan, Coen, O'Hora; Plunkett, Mullin, Hession; Flynn, Ruane; Loftus, A'OS, Carney; Carr, Doherty, O'Donoghue.

Cillian named on the bench, though no signs of the brother, Paddy Durcan or Rob Hennelly:

Reape, McHugh, Brickenden, McLaughlin, McLoughlin, Conor'OS, DCoen, McHale, Boland, Orme, O'Connor

Not much midfield cover really just Conor O'Shea. I expect Cillian will likely get the second half and Darren McHale should also get game time. Surprised McBrien didn't make the 26, unless he has a knock?

Looking at the two teams and especially with Sean O'Shea a starting option for Kerry they'll have a strong settled line up and one which is capable of converting possession into scores. I don't see us winning this and am thinking Kerry will be 5+ points to the good at the end. If Mayo get more than even share of ball and play with championship intensity then maybe they can deny the Kingdom, but I just don't see it."
That's very close to your earlier team selection Pericles. Hopefully Boland will get a run or my mate from Tooreen will keep on with his Horan hates hurlers conspiracy theory!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7375 - 02/04/2022 10:18:14    2409012

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "That's very close to your earlier team selection Pericles. Hopefully Boland will get a run or my mate from Tooreen will keep on with his Horan hates hurlers conspiracy theory!"
As you know G&R, it's like lucky dip trying to second guess JH and the selectors and what I picked could have been way off. I think the ff line is decent and showed well the last day, so unless Cillian is thrown in, possibly for Carr, then I don't see any strong reason to change before throw-in. There's also a possibility that Jason could be moved to the half line if Cillian gets a start, but I don't know who'd give way... possibly Conor Loftus to provide a bit more midfield backup on the bench? We're a bit thin there.

As much as I like Mullin as a footballer, he's no Lee (not yet anyway) when it comes to concentration levels to man mark and between that and Stephen Coen's on/off form we could be a bit vulnerable down the middle. I suspect there'll be some switching going on, but can't guess who'll play where or on who. Plunkett will be expected to get up the field, as he did in a number of games so far, and add a point or two if he can find space. That's the only obvious thing which jumps out in terms of defensive player roles.

I like the team from midfield up, and there are loads of forward options to throw in, but the key will just be keeping Rory Byrne out of the action and keeping his day quiet. If he's a busy man and Kerry get the requisite 2 or even 3 three-pointers I can't see our lads countering that. But at least it looks like we're getting closer to a recognizable starting team with Galway on the horizon and just Paddy, Diarmuid and Rob likely to be brought back in when fit. I haven't heard anything about the status of Brendan Harrison's latest setback... any word on that front at all?

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 02/04/2022 11:09:55    2409024

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Seanie won't start for us, we haven't named one dummy team all year and no reason to start now. He's an option off the bench though which is a big boost. Hennelly, Durcan and O'Connor are huge losses for Mayo though, so I'll be worried if we can't beat Mayo missing 3 of their really key players. The Tom O'Sullivan Ryan O'Donoghue match up will be a brilliant battle. Who to put on Clifford is a tough one for Mayo, I'd consider Keegan the best man for the job.

Kerry15 (Kerry) - Posts: 959 - 02/04/2022 11:21:46    2409026

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