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In my day, a sub was often someone like me, someone you hoped you'd not have to use lol. Nowadays, a sub perhaps needs to be even better than the starting player he replaces. It's a vital role, and a strong bench is vital.
Tyrone is failing to keep a strong bench, and this will return to haunt us. Mark Bradley and now Lee Brennan are not guys to win scrappy ball, but, ball in hand, they're tricky and very hard to stop, and have great feet. In a tight match in Ballybofey a couple of years ago, I watched Donegal and Tyrone playing out a stalemate. Brennan was brought on, and he cut the Donegal defence open and turned the game for us. Surely either he or Bradley an option on a dry day on a big pitch, with a bigger man acting as the ball winner who can lay it off etc.
In my view, some Tyrone players get more chances than others, regardless of ability. Couple of decidedly average players on that current squad, boys you'd not worry about meeting even at club level, seemingly can do no wrong.
It's worrying times when you have an exodus like this from an All-Ireland wining team. Tyrone look a shadow of last year's team, with a very competitive Ulster championship looming. No hunger or gameplan evident in second half against Donegal in last league game, when Donegal put it up to us. Be lucky to reach a final on current form.
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 10/03/2022 15:02:25
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Replying To essmac: "In my day, a sub was often someone like me, someone you hoped you'd not have to use lol. Nowadays, a sub perhaps needs to be even better than the starting player he replaces. It's a vital role, and a strong bench is vital.
Tyrone is failing to keep a strong bench, and this will return to haunt us. Mark Bradley and now Lee Brennan are not guys to win scrappy ball, but, ball in hand, they're tricky and very hard to stop, and have great feet. In a tight match in Ballybofey a couple of years ago, I watched Donegal and Tyrone playing out a stalemate. Brennan was brought on, and he cut the Donegal defence open and turned the game for us. Surely either he or Bradley an option on a dry day on a big pitch, with a bigger man acting as the ball winner who can lay it off etc.
In my view, some Tyrone players get more chances than others, regardless of ability. Couple of decidedly average players on that current squad, boys you'd not worry about meeting even at club level, seemingly can do no wrong.
It's worrying times when you have an exodus like this from an All-Ireland wining team. Tyrone look a shadow of last year's team, with a very competitive Ulster championship looming. No hunger or gameplan evident in second half against Donegal in last league game, when Donegal put it up to us. Be lucky to reach a final on current form." I get your point about players not getting fair crack, look at Sludden, wasn't getting a fair crack at it until last year, while others could do no wrong. I do think we need to keep these forwards onside as we have seen so far this year where wrong men have been taking pot shots at the posts. Still think they're building slowly for down the line. We'll see after Sunday where they're at.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 10/03/2022 15:39:37
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Replying To essmac: "In my day, a sub was often someone like me, someone you hoped you'd not have to use lol. Nowadays, a sub perhaps needs to be even better than the starting player he replaces. It's a vital role, and a strong bench is vital.
Tyrone is failing to keep a strong bench, and this will return to haunt us. Mark Bradley and now Lee Brennan are not guys to win scrappy ball, but, ball in hand, they're tricky and very hard to stop, and have great feet. In a tight match in Ballybofey a couple of years ago, I watched Donegal and Tyrone playing out a stalemate. Brennan was brought on, and he cut the Donegal defence open and turned the game for us. Surely either he or Bradley an option on a dry day on a big pitch, with a bigger man acting as the ball winner who can lay it off etc.
In my view, some Tyrone players get more chances than others, regardless of ability. Couple of decidedly average players on that current squad, boys you'd not worry about meeting even at club level, seemingly can do no wrong.
It's worrying times when you have an exodus like this from an All-Ireland wining team. Tyrone look a shadow of last year's team, with a very competitive Ulster championship looming. No hunger or gameplan evident in second half against Donegal in last league game, when Donegal put it up to us. Be lucky to reach a final on current form." I would agree that Bradley is a significant enough loss but Lee Brennan has just never really produced much form at intercounty level. I just don't believe that he has the pace for the modern county game.
Apart from these two and Tiernan McCann, the rest could hardly even be called intercounty footballers. They have played so little football for Tyrone so are no great loss.
I would argue that the likes of Cassidy, Ronan O'Neill and HP McGeary realised they were not going to feature again at county level and decided to walk away gracefully.
Who is the average club footballers on the Tyrone senior team who you would replace?
Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 10/03/2022 15:48:38
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Replying To Wally: "I would agree that Bradley is a significant enough loss but Lee Brennan has just never really produced much form at intercounty level. I just don't believe that he has the pace for the modern county game.
Apart from these two and Tiernan McCann, the rest could hardly even be called intercounty footballers. They have played so little football for Tyrone so are no great loss.
I would argue that the likes of Cassidy, Ronan O'Neill and HP McGeary realised they were not going to feature again at county level and decided to walk away gracefully.
Who is the average club footballers on the Tyrone senior team who you would replace?" Wouldn't agree with Lee not being up to scratch. I don't think he ever got a string of games to get a run at it. His last championship game was 2018 final when he scored 3 points against a top form Dublin team.
I initially thought tyrone were building slow, whole this may be the case the weaker bench will come back to haunt tyrone.
If McCurry or mcshane are injured or not playing well who do tyrone turn to in order to get scores?
kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 11/03/2022 08:41:54
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Brief preview of where we are at
https://unofficialtyrone.wordpress.com/2022/03/11/tyrone-have-major-opportunity-to-send-dublin-to-division-2/
DasRoteHand (Tyrone) - Posts: 17 - 11/03/2022 09:46:13
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Replying To kevin03: "Wouldn't agree with Lee not being up to scratch. I don't think he ever got a string of games to get a run at it. His last championship game was 2018 final when he scored 3 points against a top form Dublin team.
I initially thought tyrone were building slow, whole this may be the case the weaker bench will come back to haunt tyrone.
If McCurry or mcshane are injured or not playing well who do tyrone turn to in order to get scores?" I doubt mickey harte and now brian/fergal have some sort of vendetta against Lee. He clearly hasn't been performing in training or he would be getting more game time.
I actually think he is a very skillful footballer and can take a score but I have always got the impression that the game is just becoming too fast for him.
I can't understand your argument regarding if McCurry or McShane get injured. Last year Bradley and Brennan played no part of the bench and we won the All Ireland. You can only have so many all star forwards on your team. If some of them get injured then it has to be dealt with.
We have at least 8 high quality championship forwards this year who we can revolve.
Canavan, McShane, McCurry, Mattie Donnelly, McKenna, Sludden, McGeary. All of these guys can take scores.
I dont think we need to panic too much about Bradley and Brennan not featuring.
Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 11/03/2022 10:11:54
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Replying To Wally: "I doubt mickey harte and now brian/fergal have some sort of vendetta against Lee. He clearly hasn't been performing in training or he would be getting more game time.
I actually think he is a very skillful footballer and can take a score but I have always got the impression that the game is just becoming too fast for him.
I can't understand your argument regarding if McCurry or McShane get injured. Last year Bradley and Brennan played no part of the bench and we won the All Ireland. You can only have so many all star forwards on your team. If some of them get injured then it has to be dealt with.
We have at least 8 high quality championship forwards this year who we can revolve.
Canavan, McShane, McCurry, Mattie Donnelly, McKenna, Sludden, McGeary. All of these guys can take scores.
I dont think we need to panic too much about Bradley and Brennan not featuring." They played no part last year as McCurry and McShane were fit and playing well. We had them on the bench if we needed them, bradley has proven that he can come off the bench and get scores. What I am trying to say that safety net of an out and out foward is no longer there for this year.
I agree we shouldnt panic yet, its more of a concern at the minute.
Whats the thoughts on Donaghy? Had a fantastic debut but hasnt really lived up to it since but I suppose its still early days for him.
kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 11/03/2022 11:33:43
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The way the commitment levels have gone I'm not surprised although there does seem to be an unusual high number in this case. If Mayo had beaten Tyrone last year I reckon we would have had a few step away too.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11237 - 11/03/2022 11:48:04
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Replying To kevin03: "They played no part last year as McCurry and McShane were fit and playing well. We had them on the bench if we needed them, bradley has proven that he can come off the bench and get scores. What I am trying to say that safety net of an out and out foward is no longer there for this year.
I agree we shouldnt panic yet, its more of a concern at the minute.
Whats the thoughts on Donaghy? Had a fantastic debut but hasnt really lived up to it since but I suppose its still early days for him." I think Donaghy is a fantastic club footballer but just doesn't seem to produce on the big stage. Although he is still a good option to have on the bench.
I have been impressed with Kilpatrick throughout the league.
We have really struggled for a big strong mid field partnership for many years and it is great to have two big men now who can compete comfortably with other midfielders.
Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 11/03/2022 12:08:07
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Rumour has it youngest Canavan has been in training with the Senior panel as last few weeks. May be an addition to the panel once the u20s are wrapped up.
RíochtUíNéill (Tyrone) - Posts: 3 - 11/03/2022 12:56:59
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Replying To RíochtUíNéill: "Rumour has it youngest Canavan has been in training with the Senior panel as last few weeks. May be an addition to the panel once the u20s are wrapped up." Was only a matter of time, when the older generation sees the likes of Ruairi Canavan and others coming along of course they think twice about the torture of training and game time.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 11/03/2022 13:16:14
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Maybe its a new dimension of winning and success. You look at us and two of the best players in the county walked away in Jack and Paul (a good few others as well) to pursue different things in life. Would as many be walking away from Tyrone had they not got a Celtic Cross last year..........maybe its a facet of modern day success vs lifestyle/choices in goal attainment.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 11/03/2022 13:29:42
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Replying To TheUsername: "Maybe its a new dimension of winning and success. You look at us and two of the best players in the county walked away in Jack and Paul (a good few others as well) to pursue different things in life. Would as many be walking away from Tyrone had they not got a Celtic Cross last year..........maybe its a facet of modern day success vs lifestyle/choices in goal attainment." No big deal ,for some Dublin lads walking away, after all they won an unreal 6 in a row, Not too sure whats going on in Tyrone though, but as we all know its all about C ship
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It would appear that the management is not too worried about the league and are preparing for the championship instead. It'll looks are though Tyrone are heading for division 2.
border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 15/03/2022 11:49:19
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Replying To Wally: "I doubt mickey harte and now brian/fergal have some sort of vendetta against Lee. He clearly hasn't been performing in training or he would be getting more game time.
I actually think he is a very skillful footballer and can take a score but I have always got the impression that the game is just becoming too fast for him.
I can't understand your argument regarding if McCurry or McShane get injured. Last year Bradley and Brennan played no part of the bench and we won the All Ireland. You can only have so many all star forwards on your team. If some of them get injured then it has to be dealt with.
We have at least 8 high quality championship forwards this year who we can revolve.
Canavan, McShane, McCurry, Mattie Donnelly, McKenna, Sludden, McGeary. All of these guys can take scores.
I dont think we need to panic too much about Bradley and Brennan not featuring." McShane has been poor all year and seems to perform better as an impact sub.
Mattie Donnelly has been a great servant, but he's not getting any younger
McKenna has been poor all year
I may be being too pessimistic, but I don't think our bench is as strong as it needs to be
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 15/03/2022 13:12:18
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Replying To kevin03: "They played no part last year as McCurry and McShane were fit and playing well. We had them on the bench if we needed them, bradley has proven that he can come off the bench and get scores. What I am trying to say that safety net of an out and out foward is no longer there for this year.
I agree we shouldnt panic yet, its more of a concern at the minute.
Whats the thoughts on Donaghy? Had a fantastic debut but hasnt really lived up to it since but I suppose its still early days for him." But Bradley and Lee Brennan weren't even on the bench - thought they just squad members?
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 15/03/2022 13:13:39
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Replying To Wally: "I would agree that Bradley is a significant enough loss but Lee Brennan has just never really produced much form at intercounty level. I just don't believe that he has the pace for the modern county game.
Apart from these two and Tiernan McCann, the rest could hardly even be called intercounty footballers. They have played so little football for Tyrone so are no great loss.
I would argue that the likes of Cassidy, Ronan O'Neill and HP McGeary realised they were not going to feature again at county level and decided to walk away gracefully.
Who is the average club footballers on the Tyrone senior team who you would replace?" Munroe gets game time ahead of Rory Brennan. Ben McDonnell got on ahead of Bradley / L Brennan.
Of course, everyone has different opinions.
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 15/03/2022 13:16:56
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Replying To border Gael: "It would appear that the management is not too worried about the league and are preparing for the championship instead. It'll looks are though Tyrone are heading for division 2." Well, obviously I hope so, and there is a chance that you could be right. But we're leaving it very late is all I'd say - it's not like in previous years where you have a bit of time until the championship starts. The standard in Ulster is more even than ever this year, and Tyrone on current form would struggle to beat most Ulster teams. I'd be a lot happier if we were playing like Armagh.
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 15/03/2022 13:23:19
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Replying To essmac: "Well, obviously I hope so, and there is a chance that you could be right. But we're leaving it very late is all I'd say - it's not like in previous years where you have a bit of time until the championship starts. The standard in Ulster is more even than ever this year, and Tyrone on current form would struggle to beat most Ulster teams. I'd be a lot happier if we were playing like Armagh." Exactly. At the moment any one of 6 Ulster teams can win the Ulster championship. Tyrone would be at the bottom of those 6 in the pecking order.
A lot of work to do. They've lost their steel.
border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 15/03/2022 15:58:07
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