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Just wondering peoples thoughts on this topic? Its getting alot of headlines from official ireland but doesn't seem to be getting much attention here. I'm not big into ladies gaa, it's poor standard, but alot of male footballers are getting behind the idea, some are probably only supporting it out of fear of criticism if they don't, but I'm assuming it'll ultimately lead to county boards increasing funding for their ladies teams at the expense of the mens teams,im not sure what the layout is now but 50 /50 would be the end gameplan I'd imagine. I'm just spitballing here 've almost no interest in the administrative side of our games so does anyone know what changes integration will bring?? Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1756 - 22/02/2022 21:12:49 2401992 Link
It's an interesting one. The GPA are fully behind it but I suspect Tom Parsons and co are being clever politicians. There's not an endless supply of money for players though and the GPA's deal with the male players was made on the basis of a percentage of gate receipts, think it's 12.5%, that particular angle won't cut it with the female players in either code as gate receipts wouldn't be 5% of the men's games. The original GPA membership won't tolerate a reduction in their expenses as elite players and there could be interesting discussions ahead. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1515 - 23/02/2022 11:42:27 2402037 Link
The interesting point is that the GAA have been supportive of trying to get all organisations under the same umbrella for some time. The resistance to this has mainly been from the LGFA and Camogie associations themselves. It would of course mean a reduction in certain positions of authority and of course there are other factors. They may have felt that they'd lose some autonomy, so all those details are important to thrash out. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2066 - 23/02/2022 12:05:51 2402044 Link
It will be interesting to see re players mileage allowances, funding and use of facilities when/if all associations are integrated. This could put a huge strain on GAA resources both structurally and financially for what seems like little material benefit to the GAA itself, whatever about the two other organisations. It is a no win situation for the GAA in my opinion, any time a negative story comes out about ladies football or camogie the GAA always get the blame from GAA knockers and/or people who are clueless as to the different organisations involved. Maybe other posters can see the benefit of this but I'm not sure. Already highly capable women on GAA committees in clubs and counties around the country. Perhaps that will increase. And you will have a female president of the GAA also no doubt. Interesting times. Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 23/02/2022 12:17:09 2402047 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "It's an interesting one. The GPA are fully behind it but I suspect Tom Parsons and co are being clever politicians. There's not an endless supply of money for players though and the GPA's deal with the male players was made on the basis of a percentage of gate receipts, think it's 12.5%, that particular angle won't cut it with the female players in either code as gate receipts wouldn't be 5% of the men's games. The original GPA membership won't tolerate a reduction in their expenses as elite players and there could be interesting discussions ahead." That's exactly it, all well and good the likes of Damien comer, Conor Meyler, shane Walsh advocating equality, let's see how they respond when their expenses and privileges etc are slashed to help fund the ladies teams who are neither generating the money nor anywhere near the same standard. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1756 - 23/02/2022 13:07:43 2402060 Link
Replying To Galway9801: "Just wondering peoples thoughts on this topic? Its getting alot of headlines from official ireland but doesn't seem to be getting much attention here. I'm not big into ladies gaa, it's poor standard, but alot of male footballers are getting behind the idea, some are probably only supporting it out of fear of criticism if they don't, but I'm assuming it'll ultimately lead to county boards increasing funding for their ladies teams at the expense of the mens teams,im not sure what the layout is now but 50 /50 would be the end gameplan I'd imagine. I'm just spitballing here 've almost no interest in the administrative side of our games so does anyone know what changes integration will bring??" Conspiracy theorist right here. A lot of male players have relatives and friends who plays ladies football or camogie. This forum brings out the most bizarre stuff. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 23/02/2022 13:50:58 2402072 Link
If women's football was to be incorporated under the GAA then women and men would need to play out the same fixtures. If this was to happen then the GAA could double the price of a ticket to watch both matches or only take payment for one match. Would need some thinking though about how to remove the one game ticket purchasers from the second match etc. The women's game gets what they generate in gate revenue. That might seem harsh but the men's game hasn't always had these benefits and had to earn them. McGo72 (Donegal) - Posts: 67 - 23/02/2022 13:52:45 2402073 Link
Replying To Galway9801: "Just wondering peoples thoughts on this topic? Its getting alot of headlines from official ireland but doesn't seem to be getting much attention here. I'm not big into ladies gaa, it's poor standard, but alot of male footballers are getting behind the idea, some are probably only supporting it out of fear of criticism if they don't, but I'm assuming it'll ultimately lead to county boards increasing funding for their ladies teams at the expense of the mens teams,im not sure what the layout is now but 50 /50 would be the end gameplan I'd imagine. I'm just spitballing here 've almost no interest in the administrative side of our games so does anyone know what changes integration will bring??" The Ladies football final last year was far more enjoyable than any mens game last year with high skill level on show. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 23/02/2022 15:15:25 2402087 Link
Replying To McGo72: "If women's football was to be incorporated under the GAA then women and men would need to play out the same fixtures. If this was to happen then the GAA could double the price of a ticket to watch both matches or only take payment for one match. Would need some thinking though about how to remove the one game ticket purchasers from the second match etc. The women's game gets what they generate in gate revenue. That might seem harsh but the men's game hasn't always had these benefits and had to earn them." Why would women and men need to play out the same fixtures if the 2 associations were to join? You also wouldnt be doubling prices for tickets if there was double headers. May be an increase in price if there was double headers. but would that really be an issue? KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3526 - 23/02/2022 15:47:54 2402097 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "The Ladies football final last year was far more enjoyable than any mens game last year with high skill level on show." The ladies final last year was brilliant. The Tyrone-Kerry men's semi final was the game of the year for me though. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2066 - 23/02/2022 15:59:35 2402099 Link
Mol na mná agus tiocfaidh siad. The more we encourage and invest in these games the greater the interest, the greater the coaching, the higher the standard will get. The womens' game has been hugely enjoyable for me the past few years personally. Some amount of rubbish gets spouted about this stuff but part of it is almost comforting that you see the same tired old arguments no matter what sport you're talking about. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 23/02/2022 16:13:18 2402101 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "The Ladies football final last year was far more enjoyable than any mens game last year with high skill level on show." It wasn't more enjoyable than any men's game, the kerry tyrone game for example was far more entertaining, as was the dubln mayo semi. And that shouldn't be the parameter anyways. Nicky rackard games are invariably more entertaining than their higher standard Liam Mccarthy counterparts, but I'd still rather watch the latter. One big thing I'll say for ladies gaa is its free from the disgusting and embarrassing sledging and diving that the mens game is infested with. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1756 - 23/02/2022 16:13:18 2402102 Link
Replying To Rolo2010: "Conspiracy theorist right here. A lot of male players have relatives and friends who plays ladies football or camogie. This forum brings out the most bizarre stuff." What's your point, what has having relatives playing gaa got to do with the consequences of integration vis a vis changes to funding etc. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1756 - 23/02/2022 16:14:41 2402103 Link
Replying To Rolo2010: "Conspiracy theorist right here. A lot of male players have relatives and friends who plays ladies football or camogie. This forum brings out the most bizarre stuff." There's no way someone could just want what is best for ladies football Rolo, sure do you not know that at this stage, everything has an ulterior motive and what's in it for us you know yourself. In fact I heard that Shane Walsh is only advocating for ladies football as the sinister cabal of ladies GAA have gotten a hold of his secret hair routine and threatened to make it public. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 23/02/2022 16:18:59 2402106 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "The Ladies football final last year was far more enjoyable than any mens game last year with high skill level on show." Sssh don't say things like the truth too loudly, it doesn't suit "the narrative" JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 23/02/2022 16:19:26 2402108 Link
Replying To Galway9801: "What's your point, what has having relatives playing gaa got to do with the consequences of integration vis a vis changes to funding etc." You implied that some players were only supporting to avoid criticism which is a wild theory. I'm saying that the support is there because they have family and friends through clubs who play ladies football or camogie. Shouldn't have to spell it out for you. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 23/02/2022 16:23:25 2402110 Link
Replying To JoeSoap: "There's no way someone could just want what is best for ladies football Rolo, sure do you not know that at this stage, everything has an ulterior motive and what's in it for us you know yourself. In fact I heard that Shane Walsh is only advocating for ladies football as the sinister cabal of ladies GAA have gotten a hold of his secret hair routine and threatened to make it public." Shane Walsh's club made it to the ladies club final but lads on here think he'll drop the support for integration when his expenses get slashed. People need to get outside. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 23/02/2022 16:26:40 2402112 Link
I think it would be great to see. Straight away the club clashes which happen in every county between camogie and ladies football would be sorted, similar to the way it is handled with club hurling and football. At intercounty level the problem with venues is fixed, with the GAA centrally making sure camogie and ladies football get fairly looked after. It will mean some changes by the mens game but so what! The GPA agreed to reduce the mens grant so that the womans grant could be raised to the same level, it just co-operation. It will be interesting to see what happens to female intercounty dual players. In the mens games they haven't existed for close on 20-years at the top level, with the GAA having to fix county football and hurling games for the same days. In ladies sport there have been protests from county dual players that they must be facilitated to play both sports, especially in counties like Cork. That could be something that might have to change. At club level, integration has really happened already in most places. My club has mens and ladies football, with both being treated fairly for pitch scheduling. All kids are coached together from nursery up until when they start to play Little Ladies football at U8. If you look at the GAA coaching and GPO system, they and clubs have been paying for coaching in schools which benefits both boys and girls. The LGFA and Camogie Associations don't contribute anything to these schemes but it is integration at its finest. Roger (Meath) - Posts: 473 - 23/02/2022 16:35:57 2402115 Link
Replying To JoeSoap: "There's no way someone could just want what is best for ladies football Rolo, sure do you not know that at this stage, everything has an ulterior motive and what's in it for us you know yourself. In fact I heard that Shane Walsh is only advocating for ladies football as the sinister cabal of ladies GAA have gotten a hold of his secret hair routine and threatened to make it public." Well yes, what's best for ladies football is a 50 /50 split in funding, as that would also suit the equality agenda, if Shane Walsh is happy to give up most of his expenses and allowances so the ladies can receive half the money despite not generating even 1/10th of it, and despite frankly not being very good then fine, good for him. Kudos on the attempt at humour though, that was really hilarious. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1756 - 23/02/2022 16:41:03 2402116 Link
For sure its going to happen. How to expand the brand while sharing the resources, money etc. will be interesting. There is a limit to this with the population size of the country. However these ladies have not come from outer space and have been a vital cog in the wheel in the men's game since its inception. Especially at club level. Someone has to mind the kids, feed the chickens and make the sandwiches. Now they want to play more and have a piece of the cake. I don't mean this in a derogative way but they will do more whining inside the halls of power in the GAA than they ever did outside to get a slice. Interesting times ahead and hopefully good for all. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2673 - 23/02/2022 17:37:02 2402128 Link