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Replying To legendzxix: "Could we not just have Dublin v Rest of Ireland in Croke Park on St. Patrick's Day and implement the very logical split which is the viable long-term solution?" If Dublin must be split then Kerry must also considering you have to add all of Galway, Cork, Meath, Cavan, Wexford, Down to have more titles than them
A split of Dublin isnt needed but changes in competition format are required
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3513 - 14/03/2022 14:27:20
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Replying To legendzxix: "Could we not just have Dublin v Rest of Ireland in Croke Park on St. Patrick's Day and implement the very logical split which is the viable long-term solution?" Could we not just have mergers which is the viable long-term solution ? :-)
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 14/03/2022 15:39:43
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Replying To TheUsername: "Agree on Cormac pal, but it was Robbie McDaid for me who was a key catalyst - very underrated probably given his historic profile and no one replaces Jack and does it better, but i thought he was our best player in 2020 and we missed him last year, he and Murch give us an extra dimension in mobility and line breaking, allowing the forwards space and the overload. That said the back door looks an awful lot safer with Johnny, Fitzy and Davey Byrne gone back out to the corner, shout out for young Murphy as well who looked the part.
Was league Tyrone though as you say, who are very different to Championship Tyrone." Yeah Robbie played well. I thought the experience in the FB line showed alright but I expected Tyrone and McShane to cause us a lot more problems than they did. 2 points in the last 40m is appalling though. You won't win anything with that conversion rate. I think Paddy Small will add another dimension to our forward play and Costello is a certain starter from now on once fit. It's looking like Rock, Scully, Costello, Paddy, CK and AN Other in the forwards, most likely Bugler I think, although Basquel brothers, Byrne and even Archer may have a say. James made some great carries when he came on. He's still a Rolls Royce.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 14/03/2022 16:04:07
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Replying To The_Fridge: "Couldn't agree more Joxer.
Tyrone were awful yesterday, especially in the first half. I don't mind getting beat by the better team on the day but some Tyrone players were not putting in 100% effort.
McGeary literally didn't run or tackle the whole first half, i'm not sure if he is carrying an injury or what but this year he has been sent off twice and taken off early. McCurry isn't on form, same as McShane. Hampsey was a red card waiting to happen, McKernan was poor.
Peter Harte was playing in the full back line. No one was marking Scully, literally he had the freedom of Healy Park.
Dublin's big players stood up yesterday and it told. They will win both their last two games and stay up.
Tyrone doomed to relegation unless there is a massive change in effort against Mayo next weekend. And they will still probably be looking for favour's in other games." Would it be a disaster for Tyrone to be relegated? I think not. Clearly they are only a shadow of the All-Ireland team but who would have given them a chance last year after the collapse in Killarney?
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 546 - 14/03/2022 16:37:24
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Replying To Joxer: "Yeah Robbie played well. I thought the experience in the FB line showed alright but I expected Tyrone and McShane to cause us a lot more problems than they did. 2 points in the last 40m is appalling though. You won't win anything with that conversion rate. I think Paddy Small will add another dimension to our forward play and Costello is a certain starter from now on once fit. It's looking like Rock, Scully, Costello, Paddy, CK and AN Other in the forwards, most likely Bugler I think, although Basquel brothers, Byrne and even Archer may have a say. James made some great carries when he came on. He's still a Rolls Royce." Is colm basques still on panel? Be tough for Archer to get in at championship, Luke Swan has a bad hamstring injury apparently. In any event we need div 1 next year to give experience to the new blood. ( should really have beaten Kildare last time out) but at least there some hope now.
theduke66 (Dublin) - Posts: 334 - 14/03/2022 16:48:18
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Replying To Joxer: "Yeah Robbie played well. I thought the experience in the FB line showed alright but I expected Tyrone and McShane to cause us a lot more problems than they did. 2 points in the last 40m is appalling though. You won't win anything with that conversion rate. I think Paddy Small will add another dimension to our forward play and Costello is a certain starter from now on once fit. It's looking like Rock, Scully, Costello, Paddy, CK and AN Other in the forwards, most likely Bugler I think, although Basquel brothers, Byrne and even Archer may have a say. James made some great carries when he came on. He's still a Rolls Royce." From a Tyrone point of view it they looked as if they were strangers. No usual formation in the back line and silly mistakes up front. As with Armagh match it was over by half time. Now need a big result v Mayo. Enjoyed young lads and girls kicking about on field at half time especially the two lads with their hurls.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 14/03/2022 19:25:40
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Replying To Joxer: "We're back baby!! No I don't think so KB. I was up in Omagh yesterday and Tyrone were absolutely appalling in that first half. They gave us tonnes of space and didn't compete at all in the middle. I haven't seen such a Tyrone performance in many years. I think we only scored two points in the second half, very poor. Let's see how the next two games go. Costello made a huge difference yesterday. I think we'd be a different animal with Con and Mannion also but at the moment our forwards are limping along. I think any D1 team would have beaten Tyrone yesterday on that performance but they'll be a different prospect in the Summer." I agree with you, but whether we're any better in the Summer very much depends on whether we even make it that far; and, on current form, that's very doubtful.
Dublin played well in the first half yesterday, and have tightened up on the shot selections, but did nothing that a Mayo or a Kerry or an Armagh wouldn't have matched, score for score. I can think of club teams that'd have put up a better show v Dublin yesterday. Been saying this for months - Tyrone always underperform the year after they win it. Since the All Ireland, we've narrowly beaten Kildare, and that's it. On current form, Tyrone will not beat several other Ulster teams, never mind other provincial champions.
Tyrone are playing with no energy or cohesion. The contrast with the pace and commitment and sense of unity you saw in last year's all Ireland series is startling. Very, very poor stuff. Their shot choices are very poor. It's like they think they can win matches simply by showing up, without having to put in the work.
And we often see players retiring a year or so early when it's obvious their county is never going to win anything. But how often do you see 6 players leaving the all-Ireland champions? Several of them are sorely needed, at least to have strength on the bench. To me, it's the usual slackness the year after we win it, but in this case also a failure to manage the wider squad effectively. Not going to name names, but it's there are 2 or 3 players starting regularly who are not as good as some of the players who have left.
Kerry and Mayo are flying, and it will be one-sided stuff; look at Kerry's forwards yesterday, fantastic, absolutely lethal in awful conditions too, they'll eat us without salt lol. I kind of hope Tyrone get stuffed in both games properly to expose the mismanagement and slackness that has led us to this point.
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 14/03/2022 19:32:12
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Replying To essmac: "I agree with you, but whether we're any better in the Summer very much depends on whether we even make it that far; and, on current form, that's very doubtful.
Dublin played well in the first half yesterday, and have tightened up on the shot selections, but did nothing that a Mayo or a Kerry or an Armagh wouldn't have matched, score for score. I can think of club teams that'd have put up a better show v Dublin yesterday. Been saying this for months - Tyrone always underperform the year after they win it. Since the All Ireland, we've narrowly beaten Kildare, and that's it. On current form, Tyrone will not beat several other Ulster teams, never mind other provincial champions.
Tyrone are playing with no energy or cohesion. The contrast with the pace and commitment and sense of unity you saw in last year's all Ireland series is startling. Very, very poor stuff. Their shot choices are very poor. It's like they think they can win matches simply by showing up, without having to put in the work.
And we often see players retiring a year or so early when it's obvious their county is never going to win anything. But how often do you see 6 players leaving the all-Ireland champions? Several of them are sorely needed, at least to have strength on the bench. To me, it's the usual slackness the year after we win it, but in this case also a failure to manage the wider squad effectively. Not going to name names, but it's there are 2 or 3 players starting regularly who are not as good as some of the players who have left.
Kerry and Mayo are flying, and it will be one-sided stuff; look at Kerry's forwards yesterday, fantastic, absolutely lethal in awful conditions too, they'll eat us without salt lol. I kind of hope Tyrone get stuffed in both games properly to expose the mismanagement and slackness that has led us to this point." agree with most of this but I'm still hoping they turn it around could championship.
Out of interest who are the 2-3 players?
Also I would like to see Darragh Canavan play a lot closer to goals. The amount of times he is back in the defence tackling 6 foot 3 tanks is ridiculous. He is injury prone and about 5 foot 7 in height and very light. no point he trying to tackle Fenton and Kilkenny and the likes. He should be playing of McCurry & McShane in the full forward line
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 15/03/2022 10:49:43
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Tyrone were God awful so I'd read very little into that game. The one thing ive seen from our games so far is that Ciaran Kilkenny is probably the best footballer in the country, if not, very close.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8597 - 15/03/2022 10:56:06
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Replying To theduke66: "Is colm basques still on panel? Be tough for Archer to get in at championship, Luke Swan has a bad hamstring injury apparently. In any event we need div 1 next year to give experience to the new blood. ( should really have beaten Kildare last time out) but at least there some hope now." Colm Basquel is not currently involved with the panel. He did come off the bench for Ballyboden last week in their first league game though so will be interesting to see if he does re-appear.
TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 206 - 15/03/2022 11:40:06
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Replying To superbluedub: "Could we not just have mergers which is the viable long-term solution ? :-)" Mergers when an All Dublin Leinster final can fill Croke Park?!
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7884 - 15/03/2022 11:49:37
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I went to the game as a neutral on sun ( down man no joked please I'm depressed ha ) i though Dublin were very good especilly in the first half, they dominated every sector of the field.
Did anyone else notice in the first half Dublin attacked down the stand side 90%of the time with hard running and overlaps which Tyrone didn't pick up through ball watching and not having numbers there.
Tyrone defenders weren't laying a glove on there men with Dublin picking off scores with ease, this being very unlike Tyrone just no aggression or basic defending.
Second half tyrone came out with more pride which was to be expected and kicked some fantastic scores and did create a couple of goal chances and to be fair Dublin had a couple of overlaps which should have resulted in goals but for a poor final pass, similar to both the Kerry and Kildare games.
i fully expect the dubs to push on now and beat both Donegal and Monaghan, tyrone have 2 massive games coming up with Mayo at home which i expect a more focused Tyrone which they will need to be especially with Kerry away the following week.
Both these teams will have a say were the big one goes later in the year.
Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 706 - 15/03/2022 12:13:18
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Replying To legendzxix: "Mergers when an All Dublin Leinster final can fill Croke Park?!" Yes Mergers !! an All Dublin Leinster final will never happen regardless of filling Croke Park
Dublin GAA is not for splitting , Maybe you should concentrate on the disaster of your own Province?! Kerry with a rediculous 81 Munster Titles , should be split in 2 and give the rest a chance -:)
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 15/03/2022 13:20:28
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Replying To The_Fridge: "agree with most of this but I'm still hoping they turn it around could championship.
Out of interest who are the 2-3 players?
Also I would like to see Darragh Canavan play a lot closer to goals. The amount of times he is back in the defence tackling 6 foot 3 tanks is ridiculous. He is injury prone and about 5 foot 7 in height and very light. no point he trying to tackle Fenton and Kilkenny and the likes. He should be playing of McCurry & McShane in the full forward line" Well you're exactly right about Canavan - this modern obsession with work-rate over skill annoys me. Can we not accept that some players naturally are more gifted, feed them the ball and stop trying to make workhorses out of everyone. Let them keep their energy for those incisive moments when they need to take half chances; not have them wrecked running up and down the pitch chasing shadows. Kerry never expected the Gooch to drop back and do donkey work; they were smart about how they used him and played to his many strengths instead. So what if your km stats are off the chart, call me old fashioned, but the only stats that matter are the score-board, and there surely still has to be room for a smaller man who you need to get the ball to. Plenty of big lads who can scrap for the ball, and lay it off. Not just Canavan, Ronie O'Neill, Bradley, L Brennan etc, there's a string of handy Tyrone forwards that have been badly used because of an obsession with turning everybody into end-to-end Rugby league players. Fashions come and go in the GAA, and there always a rigid orthodoxy about how the game "should" be played, and there is little room for flexibility about how to get the best out of individual players, and everyone has to play to the same template
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 15/03/2022 13:34:26
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Replying To essmac: "Well you're exactly right about Canavan - this modern obsession with work-rate over skill annoys me. Can we not accept that some players naturally are more gifted, feed them the ball and stop trying to make workhorses out of everyone. Let them keep their energy for those incisive moments when they need to take half chances; not have them wrecked running up and down the pitch chasing shadows. Kerry never expected the Gooch to drop back and do donkey work; they were smart about how they used him and played to his many strengths instead. So what if your km stats are off the chart, call me old fashioned, but the only stats that matter are the score-board, and there surely still has to be room for a smaller man who you need to get the ball to. Plenty of big lads who can scrap for the ball, and lay it off. Not just Canavan, Ronie O'Neill, Bradley, L Brennan etc, there's a string of handy Tyrone forwards that have been badly used because of an obsession with turning everybody into end-to-end Rugby league players. Fashions come and go in the GAA, and there always a rigid orthodoxy about how the game "should" be played, and there is little room for flexibility about how to get the best out of individual players, and everyone has to play to the same template" I think you are right,Donegal have Ryan McHugh wrecked at this stage.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1060 - 15/03/2022 14:15:11
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Replying To essmac: "Well you're exactly right about Canavan - this modern obsession with work-rate over skill annoys me. Can we not accept that some players naturally are more gifted, feed them the ball and stop trying to make workhorses out of everyone. Let them keep their energy for those incisive moments when they need to take half chances; not have them wrecked running up and down the pitch chasing shadows. Kerry never expected the Gooch to drop back and do donkey work; they were smart about how they used him and played to his many strengths instead. So what if your km stats are off the chart, call me old fashioned, but the only stats that matter are the score-board, and there surely still has to be room for a smaller man who you need to get the ball to. Plenty of big lads who can scrap for the ball, and lay it off. Not just Canavan, Ronie O'Neill, Bradley, L Brennan etc, there's a string of handy Tyrone forwards that have been badly used because of an obsession with turning everybody into end-to-end Rugby league players. Fashions come and go in the GAA, and there always a rigid orthodoxy about how the game "should" be played, and there is little room for flexibility about how to get the best out of individual players, and everyone has to play to the same template" Full forward line should never be outside the 50 yard line and nothing as demoralising as backs kicking wide from distance. They look great when they go over but percentages say they don't. When everyone is back and they attack in packs sometimes it's the wrong man who finishes bearing down on goal.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 15/03/2022 14:15:52
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Replying To essmac: "Well you're exactly right about Canavan - this modern obsession with work-rate over skill annoys me. Can we not accept that some players naturally are more gifted, feed them the ball and stop trying to make workhorses out of everyone. Let them keep their energy for those incisive moments when they need to take half chances; not have them wrecked running up and down the pitch chasing shadows. Kerry never expected the Gooch to drop back and do donkey work; they were smart about how they used him and played to his many strengths instead. So what if your km stats are off the chart, call me old fashioned, but the only stats that matter are the score-board, and there surely still has to be room for a smaller man who you need to get the ball to. Plenty of big lads who can scrap for the ball, and lay it off. Not just Canavan, Ronie O'Neill, Bradley, L Brennan etc, there's a string of handy Tyrone forwards that have been badly used because of an obsession with turning everybody into end-to-end Rugby league players. Fashions come and go in the GAA, and there always a rigid orthodoxy about how the game "should" be played, and there is little room for flexibility about how to get the best out of individual players, and everyone has to play to the same template" Full forward line should never be outside the 50 yard line and nothing as demoralising as backs kicking wide from distance. They look great when they go over but percentages say they don't. When everyone is back and they attack in packs sometimes it's the wrong man who finishes bearing down on goal.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 15/03/2022 16:57:08
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