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What exactly did people expect? The dominance of 2012-2020 to continue? That was never going to happen. Dublin's demise has been obvious to anyone paying attention since January 2021. They haven't been playing well for a long time at this stage. The new players in just aren't as good as the players that have left. It's quite simple really. It's always been true that some people always try and find some other reason for Dublin not winning the All-Ireland, usually revolves around mentality for some reason but it's nearly always been that they're not good enough. At least 6/7 teams better than Dublin at the moment. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13725 - 20/02/2022 13:28:12 2401268 Link
They have loads of players to come back. They will stay up, win leinster and still be in the mix at the end of the year. Ronan1989 (Donegal) - Posts: 81 - 20/02/2022 13:35:56 2401270 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "I didn't doubt they have the talent to make a semi or final or even win it. The bigger problem is they don't appear to be working as hard and their game plan is non existent. Cluxton walked because of a drop in the previous regiemes standards. It's a hard standard to maintain for 10 years in fairness to anyone. But it's not for lack of footballers that Dublin won't win much this year - it's because the same high standard isn't being demanded of them." Cluxton retired lad. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12227 - 20/02/2022 14:17:06 2401282 Link
Replying To UsernameInvalid: "Big questions on players, clearly Cluxton, Connolly, Brogan x 2, Kevin Mc, Flynn, MDMA etc are big losses. Those lads knew how to manage leads or influence a game and could swing a 5 point deficit to a lead. Not too sure Fenton, Kilkenny, Rock are now able to do that with the new lads who have come in. Also Scully and Howard were great when they had those very good players around them but now that they have to step up they haven't and really struggle when the game is against them. On top of it, Byrne has been shown up badly when he doesn't have a sweeper in front of him, McMahon, Cooper & O Sullivan always provided cover in front and John Small just do it as well. I also think Fitzsimons is the same as Byrne but he hasn't played as much this year to show it. Dublin will still win Leinster. When McCarthy comes back he will shore up a lot of the problems and can slot in anywhere from 5-9 which will take pressure off Small and Fenton. Similar when Con returns it will make life easier for Rock and Kilkenny up front." Disagree Dublin wont win Leinster superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2839 - 20/02/2022 14:22:57 2401284 Link
Replying To superbluedub: "No they wont" I still think they'll make the last 4 superblue if the missing 4 or 5 come back in with a recharged appetite. Trying to bed in so many players where half the guys around them are equally callow is so different to the 3 players a year which Jim Gavin regularly absorbed into an all-conquering and confident setup. Basically the Dubs are having to contend with the challenge of remolding without the aura of invincibility, so same struggle as most other counties. Same happened with the Kilkenny hurlers. However once the balance has been restored by the likes of Con, James Mc, Costello etc, the starting 15 will at least be a different proposition. Dubs might be heading for Div 2 at that point, but I doubt Dessie will be all that concerned. Must say, I was a bit mystified by the subbing of McGarry last night... maybe an injury? Not easy to explain on the basis of his first half showing. Hard to judge on one half of football I know, but he looks like one to keep an eye on. Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 20/02/2022 14:24:46 2401286 Link
Replying To Ronan1989: "They have loads of players to come back. They will stay up, win leinster and still be in the mix at the end of the year." Dont think so Ronan , Dublin wont be in the mix for a few years minimum superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2839 - 20/02/2022 14:26:30 2401288 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "4 losses on the bounce in league and championship. Talking about having to rebuild but had more 2021 championship starters out last night than their opponents. Kicking wides to beat the band and coughing up goals at a rate not seem for 10 years. Manager says they are learning- evidence is that they aren't. They should have been able to win last night, but the reason they can't win isn't down to player's ability. For me it's poor tactics and a collapse of their famed high standards. The players have gone back to their standards of 15 years ago." Mayo don't need to have a demise as they never reached the top. maybe you'd be better concentrating on that. That Dublin team were the GOAT and Dublin will be back, just going through a lull, when they get their ass in gear later on they'll be match for anyone. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2777 - 20/02/2022 14:32:53 2401291 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "What exactly did people expect? The dominance of 2012-2020 to continue? That was never going to happen. Dublin's demise has been obvious to anyone paying attention since January 2021. They haven't been playing well for a long time at this stage. The new players in just aren't as good as the players that have left. It's quite simple really. It's always been true that some people always try and find some other reason for Dublin not winning the All-Ireland, usually revolves around mentality for some reason but it's nearly always been that they're not good enough. At least 6/7 teams better than Dublin at the moment." I always found the talk of 10 in a row to be stupid. Dublin had an unbelievable team and manager. Nothing lasts forever. Dublin are still going to be challengers though, no question about that. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11249 - 20/02/2022 15:12:51 2401307 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "I didn't doubt they have the talent to make a semi or final or even win it. The bigger problem is they don't appear to be working as hard and their game plan is non existent. Cluxton walked because of a drop in the previous regiemes standards. It's a hard standard to maintain for 10 years in fairness to anyone. But it's not for lack of footballers that Dublin won't win much this year - it's because the same high standard isn't being demanded of them." You don't help Mayo fans on this forum starting a thread like this which could well come back to bite us. Better off keeping quiet. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11249 - 20/02/2022 15:14:26 2401308 Link
We'll just have to win the hurling instead :-) BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2667 - 20/02/2022 15:41:12 2401314 Link
Think the gap between Dublin and the rest is closing all the time, only 16 places between them and London now, mightn't be a bad idea to play them in Leinster going forward mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1045 - 20/02/2022 16:01:59 2401327 Link
Dublin are a burst flush, we all knew it would end but maybe not this quick. I cannot see us staying in Div 1. The only thing that might save us is therevare potentially worse teams. But we are fierce ordinary, tactically inept, poorly led, morale on the floor, not good. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4903 - 20/02/2022 16:31:50 2401337 Link
Joe Brolly sums it up nicely "In Croke Park, Brian Fenton, Ciarán Kilkenny and Dean Rock bore the expressions of lads who had been transferred without warning from Real Madrid to Wycombe Wanderers." arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4903 - 20/02/2022 16:36:09 2401340 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "We'll just have to win the hurling instead :-)" Great attitude Barney though only a fool would rule Sam out returning to Dublin this year! Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12227 - 20/02/2022 17:37:10 2401354 Link
All nonsense, over-reaction stuff; Dublin will be serious contenders for Sam. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 20/02/2022 18:31:36 2401377 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "I always found the talk of 10 in a row to be stupid. Dublin had an unbelievable team and manager. Nothing lasts forever. Dublin are still going to be challengers though, no question about that." I honestly don't see it yew, the structure of the Championship is the only reason we were in a semi final last year. Mayo were very poor for 3/4s of normal time and still won. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13725 - 20/02/2022 19:30:28 2401413 Link
Replying To arock: "Joe Brolly sums it up nicely "In Croke Park, Brian Fenton, Ciarán Kilkenny and Dean Rock bore the expressions of lads who had been transferred without warning from Real Madrid to Wycombe Wanderers."" Joe Brolly the master of hindsight and clickbait. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7390 - 20/02/2022 19:50:14 2401424 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Joe Brolly the master of hindsight and clickbait." Indeed. He is a man who loves to put the boot into lads when they are down. As you know yourselves. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2667 - 20/02/2022 19:57:54 2401431 Link
A silly thread imo. It's the league and we only 3 games in. In 2014 Kerry lost their first 3 league games and people saying Kerry are finished but a few months later they won Sam. Of course Dublin have regressed. That's natural. It's impossible in any sport not to at some stage. Dublin were actually starting to regress in 19 imo but they still won 2 more all Irelands. If you were picking the best team in Ireland at the moment probably 4 Dubs would be on team. How many other counties would have 4?Dublin would have James Mccarthy Fenton Kenny and Con. Dublin are tired and look tired but when the sun comes out and Con James Paddy Small Costello comeback there will be a spring in their step again. They might not be favourites but they will be in the top 3 favourites. Write them off at your peril. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3687 - 20/02/2022 20:33:05 2401443 Link
Tirawley, as a Mayoman you ought to steer clear of attributing failure to win games to some deep psychological factors. Dublin are losing matches because they no longer have the best players on the field against the other top teams. None of the newer lads are as good as those they have replaced. And their best players are clearly - with a small number of exceptions - not playing as well as they have done. How anyone is backing them at the available odds to win the All Ireland is a mystery to me. As was fact that Mayo were 15/8 last night. I would never bet against Dublin - and rarely bet on them for that matter - but it must have attracted a fair few shrewd observers. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2667 - 20/02/2022 21:00:13 2401453 Link