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4 losses on the bounce in league and championship.
Talking about having to rebuild but had more 2021 championship starters out last night than their opponents.
Kicking wides to beat the band and coughing up goals at a rate not seem for 10 years.
Manager says they are learning- evidence is that they aren't.
They should have been able to win last night, but the reason they can't win isn't down to player's ability.
For me it's poor tactics and a collapse of their famed high standards. The players have gone back to their standards of 15 years ago.
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This thread is a bit premature methinks and might come back to bite you in the ass later in the year.......
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12227 - 20/02/2022 10:29:19
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "4 losses on the bounce in league and championship.
Talking about having to rebuild but had more 2021 championship starters out last night than their opponents.
Kicking wides to beat the band and coughing up goals at a rate not seem for 10 years.
Manager says they are learning- evidence is that they aren't.
They should have been able to win last night, but the reason they can't win isn't down to player's ability.
For me it's poor tactics and a collapse of their famed high standards. The players have gone back to their standards of 15 years ago." Can't argue with that. It's a mixture of things though. Jim Gavin finishing up, Dessie's brand of football and Tactics, players retiring, players walking away, players that have won everything and haven't got much left in the tank and most importantly - the players coming though and replacing these greats are simply nowhere near good enough.
Hopefully all this split Dublin in 2 nonsense can stop now. This "conveyor belt" of talent simply doesn't exist. We were truly blessed to have a special group of players with one of the most shrewd tactically aware managers the game has ever seen come together at the same time, which created the most decorated team in GAA history.
But like all great teams the dominance comes to an end eventually, and that end usually isn't pretty… so maybe now the bitter obsessed anti-dub doomsday merchants on here who for years harped on about the game being ruined because of Dublin and that Dublin would stroll to 10 in a row can shut up now and accept that they did in fact witness greatness!! The Greatest Team Of All Time!!
ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 20/02/2022 10:50:52
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "4 losses on the bounce in league and championship.
Talking about having to rebuild but had more 2021 championship starters out last night than their opponents.
Kicking wides to beat the band and coughing up goals at a rate not seem for 10 years.
Manager says they are learning- evidence is that they aren't.
They should have been able to win last night, but the reason they can't win isn't down to player's ability.
For me it's poor tactics and a collapse of their famed high standards. The players have gone back to their standards of 15 years ago." there is a good chance u will have to eat them words before the year i out
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2851 - 20/02/2022 11:17:55
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There is no fear of the dubs they don't give a hoot about the league and they'll still be in the allireland semifinal at home in Croke Park in July.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 20/02/2022 11:24:00
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "4 losses on the bounce in league and championship.
Talking about having to rebuild but had more 2021 championship starters out last night than their opponents.
Kicking wides to beat the band and coughing up goals at a rate not seem for 10 years.
Manager says they are learning- evidence is that they aren't.
They should have been able to win last night, but the reason they can't win isn't down to player's ability.
For me it's poor tactics and a collapse of their famed high standards. The players have gone back to their standards of 15 years ago." Just a lucky blip to win that 6-in-row. really. They were never really any good, just got a lot of breaks 2015-2021.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3503 - 20/02/2022 11:30:37
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "4 losses on the bounce in league and championship.
Talking about having to rebuild but had more 2021 championship starters out last night than their opponents.
Kicking wides to beat the band and coughing up goals at a rate not seem for 10 years.
Manager says they are learning- evidence is that they aren't.
They should have been able to win last night, but the reason they can't win isn't down to player's ability.
For me it's poor tactics and a collapse of their famed high standards. The players have gone back to their standards of 15 years ago." Can't argue with that. It's a mixture of things though. Jim Gavin finishing up, Dessie's brand of football and Tactics, players retiring, players walking away, players that have won everything and haven't got much left in the tank and most importantly - the players coming though and replacing these greats are simply nowhere near good enough.
Hopefully all this split Dublin in 2 nonsense can stop now. This "conveyor belt" of talent simply doesn't exist. We were truly blessed to have a special group of players with one of the most shrewd tactically aware managers the game has ever seen come together at the same time, which created the most decorated team in GAA history.
But like all great teams the dominance comes to an end eventually, and that end usually isn't pretty… so maybe now the bitter obsessed anti-dub doomsday merchants on here who for years harped on about the game being ruined because of Dublin and that Dublin would stroll to 10 in a row can shut up now and accept that they did in fact witness greatness!! The Greatest Team Of All Time!!
ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 20/02/2022 11:31:24
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "4 losses on the bounce in league and championship.
Talking about having to rebuild but had more 2021 championship starters out last night than their opponents.
Kicking wides to beat the band and coughing up goals at a rate not seem for 10 years.
Manager says they are learning- evidence is that they aren't.
They should have been able to win last night, but the reason they can't win isn't down to player's ability.
For me it's poor tactics and a collapse of their famed high standards. The players have gone back to their standards of 15 years ago." Thanks for sharing
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2839 - 20/02/2022 11:42:52
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Replying To ConnollyDub: "Can't argue with that. It's a mixture of things though. Jim Gavin finishing up, Dessie's brand of football and Tactics, players retiring, players walking away, players that have won everything and haven't got much left in the tank and most importantly - the players coming though and replacing these greats are simply nowhere near good enough.
Hopefully all this split Dublin in 2 nonsense can stop now. This "conveyor belt" of talent simply doesn't exist. We were truly blessed to have a special group of players with one of the most shrewd tactically aware managers the game has ever seen come together at the same time, which created the most decorated team in GAA history.
But like all great teams the dominance comes to an end eventually, and that end usually isn't pretty… so maybe now the bitter obsessed anti-dub doomsday merchants on here who for years harped on about the game being ruined because of Dublin and that Dublin would stroll to 10 in a row can shut up now and accept that they did in fact witness greatness!! The Greatest Team Of All Time!!" Couldn't agree more..
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1421 - 20/02/2022 11:53:39
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Premature post, a team undergoing transition having lost great players to retirement & injury. Fantastic leaders in that squad still, Fitzsimons, Fenton, Howard, Kilkenny & a few more to come in. A few lave lost form like Scully who should be given a break to get his mojo back. Lots of new faces, some not going to make it, some trying to hard to impress, but enough to make it a competitive panel again. Biggest failing is not playing enough early ball inside & too much lateral play on opposition 45, need more incisive bursts through, coming straight or at a diagonal & break the tackle to create goal chances, it's all to predictable at the moment & easy to defend. Dublin are still a team that could still win an All Ireland.
Gaelic football is thankfully reverting, still massed defences but more emphasis on offensive attacking & early ball in to players who have skill, Tyrone played this to a T last year. More offensive teams now winning games & those who are stuck in the rut of defensive possession football not going anywhere.
Cathal Heneghan for NUIG showed the way in Sigerson this week, at county level he would have been whipped off for not recycling possession, instead he took on the defence & won the game for NUIG.
The pitch at Croke Park for last nights game was in shocking condition, it cut up badly. Yes, the weather is shocking at the moment but a pitch that has such a high tech drainage system should be on better condition. 24K turnout for a premier game with the best covered stands in the country was also fairly low, considering everyone is mad to go places after Covid, were the GAA too greedy in increasing admission prices, particularly when people are struggling with the cost of living. Also, part of going to a match is getting the programme for the game, but paying a fiver for what is effectively false advertising, where teams bear no resemblance whatsoever to the programme is wrong. I don't know any other sports allowing it, the GAA need to grasp the nettle & tackle the managers & stop this. It's an embarrassment, they should be ashamed charging for something that is effectively fake.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 20/02/2022 11:57:22
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Replying To ConnollyDub: "Can't argue with that. It's a mixture of things though. Jim Gavin finishing up, Dessie's brand of football and Tactics, players retiring, players walking away, players that have won everything and haven't got much left in the tank and most importantly - the players coming though and replacing these greats are simply nowhere near good enough.
Hopefully all this split Dublin in 2 nonsense can stop now. This "conveyor belt" of talent simply doesn't exist. We were truly blessed to have a special group of players with one of the most shrewd tactically aware managers the game has ever seen come together at the same time, which created the most decorated team in GAA history.
But like all great teams the dominance comes to an end eventually, and that end usually isn't pretty… so maybe now the bitter obsessed anti-dub doomsday merchants on here who for years harped on about the game being ruined because of Dublin and that Dublin would stroll to 10 in a row can shut up now and accept that they did in fact witness greatness!! The Greatest Team Of All Time!!" Good sensible post
They were indeed a great team and made history
They beat us by 12 points in Portlaoise in 2018. We frustrated them for 40mins or so and then their class showed through.
Personally I think although he left before last success, Jack Mc Gaffrey was a huge loss.
Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 707 - 20/02/2022 11:59:49
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Jesus it had to be a mayo poser that started this. Ah Dublin have just gone back to the pack but still well capable of winning Sam. Guaranteed to be in a semi final this year in my opinion. As for the league…who cares.
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Replying To Viking66: "This thread is a bit premature methinks and might come back to bite you in the ass later in the year......." There heading for the Tailteann Cup!! In all seriousness I'd echo the above sentiments.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 20/02/2022 12:07:57
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "There is no fear of the dubs they don't give a hoot about the league and they'll still be in the allireland semifinal at home in Croke Park in July." No they wont
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2839 - 20/02/2022 12:08:59
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Dublin are nearly as poor as that terrible Tyrone team that went down to Kerry last year and got beaten out the gate. What happened to them after that ??
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1688 - 20/02/2022 12:37:37
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I didn't doubt they have the talent to make a semi or final or even win it.
The bigger problem is they don't appear to be working as hard and their game plan is non existent.
Cluxton walked because of a drop in the previous regiemes standards. It's a hard standard to maintain for 10 years in fairness to anyone.
But it's not for lack of footballers that Dublin won't win much this year - it's because the same high standard isn't being demanded of them.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1140 - 20/02/2022 12:39:15
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Sure we'l keep her lit and hopefully be competitive.
We can have very few complaints, we've had incredible years. ;)
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4446 - 20/02/2022 12:49:08
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Big questions on players, clearly Cluxton, Connolly, Brogan x 2, Kevin Mc, Flynn, MDMA etc are big losses. Those lads knew how to manage leads or influence a game and could swing a 5 point deficit to a lead. Not too sure Fenton, Kilkenny, Rock are now able to do that with the new lads who have come in. Also Scully and Howard were great when they had those very good players around them but now that they have to step up they haven't and really struggle when the game is against them.
On top of it, Byrne has been shown up badly when he doesn't have a sweeper in front of him, McMahon, Cooper & O Sullivan always provided cover in front and John Small just do it as well. I also think Fitzsimons is the same as Byrne but he hasn't played as much this year to show it.
Dublin will still win Leinster. When McCarthy comes back he will shore up a lot of the problems and can slot in anywhere from 5-9 which will take pressure off Small and Fenton. Similar when Con returns it will make life easier for Rock and Kilkenny up front.
UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 355 - 20/02/2022 12:49:21
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Replying To ConnollyDub: "Can't argue with that. It's a mixture of things though. Jim Gavin finishing up, Dessie's brand of football and Tactics, players retiring, players walking away, players that have won everything and haven't got much left in the tank and most importantly - the players coming though and replacing these greats are simply nowhere near good enough.
Hopefully all this split Dublin in 2 nonsense can stop now. This "conveyor belt" of talent simply doesn't exist. We were truly blessed to have a special group of players with one of the most shrewd tactically aware managers the game has ever seen come together at the same time, which created the most decorated team in GAA history.
But like all great teams the dominance comes to an end eventually, and that end usually isn't pretty… so maybe now the bitter obsessed anti-dub doomsday merchants on here who for years harped on about the game being ruined because of Dublin and that Dublin would stroll to 10 in a row can shut up now and accept that they did in fact witness greatness!! The Greatest Team Of All Time!!" That's the reality. I was sick to the back teeth arguing with lads on this forum for years that what we were seeing was a great Golden Generation!
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Kerry were looking good for the All Ireland after cruising to the league last year. It's February 20th, ball played in awful conditions on soggy pitches. In this compressed season timing the conditioning to peak teams at the right time will be a big factor in deciding the All Ireland. Way too early to pass judgement on an understrength team last night. Dublin squad has plenty of class players, some emerging talent and knowhow of winning when it counts. And way too early thinking we're contenders for anything after beating an understrength Dublin team. July 24th is the day that counts.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7390 - 20/02/2022 13:20:54
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