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If this is wrong, and it most certainly is, then sledging of a personal nature re family or relationship etc is just as wrong and needs to be stamped out too. But for match officials it is nearly impossible to police unless they are in ear shot.
Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 08/02/2022 20:26:08
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The only way to really stamp it out is to bring it to the attention of the match official/ref at that time and have the perpetrator sent to the line.
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Replying To Bon: "The only way to really stamp it out is to bring it to the attention of the match official/ref at that time and have the perpetrator sent to the line." The problem is lads will often deny it. It's very hard for a ref to act on it unless he hears it.
This really needs to come from within. Management teams and the players as a group need have a zero tolerance approach with their own players on this kind of rubbish.
The vast majority of players don't get involved in this nonsense. They're not that thick.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2066 - 09/02/2022 14:18:15
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Sledging rife in GAA now at all levels club & County & at underage level. Managers telling lads what to say & who to target, racist, sectarianism, homophobic & just general vile stuff about their parents, sister, girlfriend, siblings who may have serious illness or handicaps or people who committed suicide, it beggars belief, but GAA is now the worst sport for it. Pinching, biting, pulling at ear studs, spitting it's all there. People walk rather than report it as the GAA disciplinary system is a joke. I have seen & heard it all. It happens outside of games as well & is encouraged by many managers to "soften" up lads. You can see the "hard men" on here with their nothing to see, handbags, mans game, part of the rough & tumble, it's accepted now as part of the GAA & the hierarchy turn a blind eye to it as do most refs. They are told not to report it, as it brings bad PR. Watch when a lad scores or misses a score or when a sub comes on, lads straight over pushing, catching them by the throat, shouting abuse in their face, it's not sport & if it is you won't see many staying with it. Why is it that no Inter County player has openly come out as gay bar Donal Og, because they fear that they will be targeted on & off the field. GAA talk the talk on all these things but their Disciplinary System is so pathetic that it means people know they can do as they wish & get away with it. If you want to set standards, impose bans of 2 years or lifetime bans for vile abuse & don't allow any appeals, hefty fines for the clubs or counties involved & points reduction or loss of home games, you won't be long getting rid of the cowardly **** mouthpieces then. Unfortunately nothing will change, a top official will come out & say it's unacceptable & they are going to take action, but nothing will ever happen. It's a stain on the Association & is visible on TV every w'end. Sportsmanship & respect is dead in the GAA.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 09/02/2022 14:27:00
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Replying To Bon: "The only way to really stamp it out is to bring it to the attention of the match official/ref at that time and have the perpetrator sent to the line." Ref just cant send johnny off for what timmy said if an official did not hear it. Unfortunately there is little to no policing of verbal's between players.
CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 489 - 09/02/2022 14:31:03
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Winning the game is enough to silence these imbeciles..
Well done lads.
The End.
bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 09/02/2022 16:46:34
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It's shameful in this day and age and all that went on in the past.
I remember well the respect given by Offaly hurlers in 89 when Antrim beat them they gave a guard of honour at the end of the game.
Respect each other respect the game !
ke40 (Kildare) - Posts: 210 - 09/02/2022 17:14:51
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This is horrible but you can not blame everyone who plays the game in Carlow and all their supporters. It has to be self policing. There were 15 Carlow players on the field. Plus team mentors and many more. Were they all right with this? If the Down manager heard it then they did. They now need to come out and help in the naming but they won't. It has become win at all costs.
I remember many years ago some jump on the wagon Waterford supporters who were never before at a hurling match were kicking out the sheeting on the back of the stand in Thurles. A group of real Waterford supporters went back up to them and told them if they did not stop they would go out through the hole they were trying to make. Those whimps stopped because they knew the consequences.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2673 - 09/02/2022 17:34:48
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Replying To moc.dna: "Sledging rife in GAA now at all levels club & County & at underage level. Managers telling lads what to say & who to target, racist, sectarianism, homophobic & just general vile stuff about their parents, sister, girlfriend, siblings who may have serious illness or handicaps or people who committed suicide, it beggars belief, but GAA is now the worst sport for it. Pinching, biting, pulling at ear studs, spitting it's all there. People walk rather than report it as the GAA disciplinary system is a joke. I have seen & heard it all. It happens outside of games as well & is encouraged by many managers to "soften" up lads. You can see the "hard men" on here with their nothing to see, handbags, mans game, part of the rough & tumble, it's accepted now as part of the GAA & the hierarchy turn a blind eye to it as do most refs. They are told not to report it, as it brings bad PR. Watch when a lad scores or misses a score or when a sub comes on, lads straight over pushing, catching them by the throat, shouting abuse in their face, it's not sport & if it is you won't see many staying with it. Why is it that no Inter County player has openly come out as gay bar Donal Og, because they fear that they will be targeted on & off the field. GAA talk the talk on all these things but their Disciplinary System is so pathetic that it means people know they can do as they wish & get away with it. If you want to set standards, impose bans of 2 years or lifetime bans for vile abuse & don't allow any appeals, hefty fines for the clubs or counties involved & points reduction or loss of home games, you won't be long getting rid of the cowardly **** mouthpieces then. Unfortunately nothing will change, a top official will come out & say it's unacceptable & they are going to take action, but nothing will ever happen. It's a stain on the Association & is visible on TV every w'end. Sportsmanship & respect is dead in the GAA." I just don't agree that the GAA is as bad as you make out regarding sectarian and racist slurs being perpetuated in games, that managers identify players to be targeted and that officials turn a blind eye.
I attend a lot of games and I have rarely heard ANY racist comments and I have never heard a sectarian slur, ever and I attend games every week.
If and I have no reason to doubt the Down manager or his players that sectarian slurs were spoken by Carlow players at the Down v Carlow hurling game last Sunday on Ballycran, then I expect that action will be taken.
In this day and age, nobody in the GAA will turn a blind eye to such revolting and demeaning behaviour.
The challenge for adninistratirs is to have sanctions that match the crime.
I have no doubt that the Down players have identified the numbers and that the Down management are in the process of identifying the players at the centre of this controversy.
Nobody at any level in the GAA would tolerate such behaviour.
There is an onus on all of us to ensure that such behaviour does not occur at games within our control.
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 09/02/2022 17:36:55
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There wasn't any of this rubbish in my day but there were plenty late tackles and dirty hits, we were always told the place to beat them is on the scoreboard,
the best thing to do when getting verbals from opposing players to just smile at them and say not today lads, if you react and lose focus you are doing what they want.
Only a tramp engages in this kind of behaviour, and that's an insult to tramps.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2777 - 09/02/2022 18:32:20
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That post from the Galway lad mac is utter nonsense.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1515 - 09/02/2022 18:35:12
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Replying To moc.dna: "Sledging rife in GAA now at all levels club & County & at underage level. Managers telling lads what to say & who to target, racist, sectarianism, homophobic & just general vile stuff about their parents, sister, girlfriend, siblings who may have serious illness or handicaps or people who committed suicide, it beggars belief, but GAA is now the worst sport for it. Pinching, biting, pulling at ear studs, spitting it's all there. People walk rather than report it as the GAA disciplinary system is a joke. I have seen & heard it all. It happens outside of games as well & is encouraged by many managers to "soften" up lads. You can see the "hard men" on here with their nothing to see, handbags, mans game, part of the rough & tumble, it's accepted now as part of the GAA & the hierarchy turn a blind eye to it as do most refs. They are told not to report it, as it brings bad PR. Watch when a lad scores or misses a score or when a sub comes on, lads straight over pushing, catching them by the throat, shouting abuse in their face, it's not sport & if it is you won't see many staying with it. Why is it that no Inter County player has openly come out as gay bar Donal Og, because they fear that they will be targeted on & off the field. GAA talk the talk on all these things but their Disciplinary System is so pathetic that it means people know they can do as they wish & get away with it. If you want to set standards, impose bans of 2 years or lifetime bans for vile abuse & don't allow any appeals, hefty fines for the clubs or counties involved & points reduction or loss of home games, you won't be long getting rid of the cowardly **** mouthpieces then. Unfortunately nothing will change, a top official will come out & say it's unacceptable & they are going to take action, but nothing will ever happen. It's a stain on the Association & is visible on TV every w'end. Sportsmanship & respect is dead in the GAA." Brilliant post I played myself for years both hurling and football and back then it was virtually unheard of to abuse or sledge a rival player now it is the done thing and mostly down to manager's and other mentors knowing full well and encouraging it referees hear it and usually ignore it it is a culture in our game now unfortunately
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Replying To moc.dna: "Sledging rife in GAA now at all levels club & County & at underage level. Managers telling lads what to say & who to target, racist, sectarianism, homophobic & just general vile stuff about their parents, sister, girlfriend, siblings who may have serious illness or handicaps or people who committed suicide, it beggars belief, but GAA is now the worst sport for it. Pinching, biting, pulling at ear studs, spitting it's all there. People walk rather than report it as the GAA disciplinary system is a joke. I have seen & heard it all. It happens outside of games as well & is encouraged by many managers to "soften" up lads. You can see the "hard men" on here with their nothing to see, handbags, mans game, part of the rough & tumble, it's accepted now as part of the GAA & the hierarchy turn a blind eye to it as do most refs. They are told not to report it, as it brings bad PR. Watch when a lad scores or misses a score or when a sub comes on, lads straight over pushing, catching them by the throat, shouting abuse in their face, it's not sport & if it is you won't see many staying with it. Why is it that no Inter County player has openly come out as gay bar Donal Og, because they fear that they will be targeted on & off the field. GAA talk the talk on all these things but their Disciplinary System is so pathetic that it means people know they can do as they wish & get away with it. If you want to set standards, impose bans of 2 years or lifetime bans for vile abuse & don't allow any appeals, hefty fines for the clubs or counties involved & points reduction or loss of home games, you won't be long getting rid of the cowardly **** mouthpieces then. Unfortunately nothing will change, a top official will come out & say it's unacceptable & they are going to take action, but nothing will ever happen. It's a stain on the Association & is visible on TV every w'end. Sportsmanship & respect is dead in the GAA." You know you will be attacked claiming you are exaggerating and anti GAA. Then there will will diversions and smoke screens thrown up. That is home it goes down always.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2673 - 09/02/2022 19:22:03
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I don't know why a manager /player doesn't just attach a mic to their lapel during a game and record what his opponent is saying then just release it on YouTube for the world to see the following day.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1757 - 09/02/2022 20:13:00
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Replying To updwell: "I find this anti Nationalist agenda in the South very odd and a total ignorance of what people suffered in the North. These people are either ignorant of our history on this island or they have more time for the Sammy Wilson's of this world and his agenda. I've never lived it the North and rarely visit it but having spoken to people from there it's hard not to have sympathy for them in my opinion. I live in Limerick and have more Protestant neighbours than Catholic ones and religion is never discussed and find its not a topic anymore in the South so why should Southerners bring this up on a GAA field during a game." I'm sure your Protestant neighbours wouldn't be so pro Nationalist and probably identify that both sides suffered...but I don't like sledging and especially not about religion
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 09/02/2022 21:02:40
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Replying To Galway9801: "I don't know why a manager /player doesn't just attach a mic to their lapel during a game and record what his opponent is saying then just release it on YouTube for the world to see the following day." Most managers these days do have mics on their lapels talking to other coaching staff etc. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a recording function on it
Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 10/02/2022 16:24:02
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Replying To carlowman: "I just don't agree that the GAA is as bad as you make out regarding sectarian and racist slurs being perpetuated in games, that managers identify players to be targeted and that officials turn a blind eye.
I attend a lot of games and I have rarely heard ANY racist comments and I have never heard a sectarian slur, ever and I attend games every week.
If and I have no reason to doubt the Down manager or his players that sectarian slurs were spoken by Carlow players at the Down v Carlow hurling game last Sunday on Ballycran, then I expect that action will be taken.
In this day and age, nobody in the GAA will turn a blind eye to such revolting and demeaning behaviour.
The challenge for adninistratirs is to have sanctions that match the crime.
I have no doubt that the Down players have identified the numbers and that the Down management are in the process of identifying the players at the centre of this controversy.
Nobody at any level in the GAA would tolerate such behaviour.
There is an onus on all of us to ensure that such behaviour does not occur at games within our control." Not going to dump on Carlowman but there is an onus on the Carlow players also to identify. If not they look complicit.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2673 - 10/02/2022 18:52:22
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Replying To carlowman: "I just don't agree that the GAA is as bad as you make out regarding sectarian and racist slurs being perpetuated in games, that managers identify players to be targeted and that officials turn a blind eye.
I attend a lot of games and I have rarely heard ANY racist comments and I have never heard a sectarian slur, ever and I attend games every week.
If and I have no reason to doubt the Down manager or his players that sectarian slurs were spoken by Carlow players at the Down v Carlow hurling game last Sunday on Ballycran, then I expect that action will be taken.
In this day and age, nobody in the GAA will turn a blind eye to such revolting and demeaning behaviour.
The challenge for adninistratirs is to have sanctions that match the crime.
I have no doubt that the Down players have identified the numbers and that the Down management are in the process of identifying the players at the centre of this controversy.
Nobody at any level in the GAA would tolerate such behaviour.
There is an onus on all of us to ensure that such behaviour does not occur at games within our control." Not going to dump on Carlowman but there is an onus on the Carlow players also to identify. If not they look complicit.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2673 - 10/02/2022 19:24:24
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Replying To Canuck: "Not going to dump on Carlowman but there is an onus on the Carlow players also to identify. If not they look complicit." I agree that players from Carlow should give truthful evidence to whoever is investigating.
If such terrible behaviour is ro be rooted out then yes there is an onus on Carlow players to inform the investigation on what they know.
Club loyalties are.strong but the.issue at stake outweighs club loyalty.
I honestly do not know oif an investigation has taken place or if some or all of the Carlow players were invited to give their evidence.
Anybody I have spoken to on the matter are terribly embarrassed and mortified by the allegations, but I have not heard oif an investigation has taken place.
What I can say is that the Carlow hurlers gave a much improved performance against Westmeath in Netwatch Cullen Park last Sunday.
I don't think the two are related but it struck me that the team wanted to let their hurling do the talking last Sunday.
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 16/02/2022 17:32:32
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Sledging is wrong but it goes on in all sports. Moc.dna's beloved Rugby is one of the worst. He is a Connacht Rugby fan. And the amount of abuse from Irish rugby fans towards Republicans- Shinners, Paedos etc is not nice. Galway needs education on the abuse thrown at GAA players in N.I. They faced intimidation and even murder from Loyalist gangs.
The GAA should put up the memorial to the players killed in the Troubles in Croke park for starters.
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