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This seems to have started to become common in the GAA - maybe it always has been. I think if there is evidence provided or mentioned in the referees report then a min of a two year ban or lifetime ban from all GAA activity should suffice as punishment. Can we as a country not get past all this type of stuff? We are a nation who has an All Ireland football chsmpionship named after an Irish Protestant. I for one would love anyone and everyone to play our national sports regardless of religion or nationality - and if they were born on the island of Ireland I couldnt care less if they consider themeselves American. Iranian, Mexican, British or any other nationality. Its time to clamp down hard on this and stamp it out and name and shame these men/women. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 07/02/2022 15:00:04 2398970 Link
I've posted it on the Carlow thread. Their hurlers, not for the first time, have been accused of calling Northern players "Prods and Brits" during a match. I don't think anyone cares about slagging on a pitch but that's just offensive towards 1. Protestants 2. British people and 3. It's used in a derogatory way and designed to denigrate Ulster players whose club grounds have even burnt to the ground and who have seen numerous members murdered over the past 40 years. Fair play to most Gaels across the island including Carlow folk who have condemned it. To those fellas who engage in this stuff I would say wise up and go educate yourselves about the GAA, especially in Ulster, and the history of this island. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9719 - 07/02/2022 15:43:09 2398991 Link
Agree totally No room for this non sense If it is true then I am ashamed to be from the same county If they had brains they'd be dangerous Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 707 - 07/02/2022 15:49:50 2398998 Link
Replying To Blackbog: "Agree totally No room for this non sense If it is true then I am ashamed to be from the same county If they had brains they'd be dangerous" No need for you or Carlovia or Barrow or any of the other Carlow gaels here to be ashamed. No more than when an idiot from any county does something stupid is a stain on every other county person. Sad thing about it is the incredible level of stupidity and ignorance involved. Do any of these people ever read a book? BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2668 - 07/02/2022 16:59:27 2399060 Link
Little do they know the very ground they where playing in was burned down by the uda in the past twice, many of men on the down team have wives whom are Protestant, it's not something that's ever been an issue within our community. We play hurling for the love of OUR national game, and we don't care if your catholic or Protestant, if you share our love for hurling, your welcome in down. Shame on the Carlow men, they know who they are, would be a big statement if other lads stepped up and called them out but I doubt that will happen hope they are well punished Antrimroad (Down) - Posts: 119 - 07/02/2022 18:41:58 2399106 Link
These mindless nutters ,should be named and shamed, and booted out of the Gaa, over to you Carlow Gaa germac (Down) - Posts: 538 - 07/02/2022 19:33:35 2399132 Link
Being told to go back to L. Derry including supporters from the North just as bad. Neartheborder (Derry) - Posts: 57 - 07/02/2022 20:05:28 2399145 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "No need for you or Carlovia or Barrow or any of the other Carlow gaels here to be ashamed. No more than when an idiot from any county does something stupid is a stain on every other county person. Sad thing about it is the incredible level of stupidity and ignorance involved. Do any of these people ever read a book?" We all take pride in our county teams and get a bit down on the bad days. This is an awful day for Carlow and we have to be big enough to own up to it. People have to know that sectarianism is unacceptable. Have to tell you that having lived up north I'm pretty down about the whole thing. carlovia (None) - Posts: 1518 - 07/02/2022 21:35:01 2399178 Link
Replying To Neartheborder: "Being told to go back to L. Derry including supporters from the North just as bad." Aa is being told to go back to the free state but that's rarely spoken about.... oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1387 - 07/02/2022 22:02:16 2399190 Link
When I saw it first I thought it was harmless because the Northern teams are well able to dole out the 'Free State' and West Brit stuff but the religious element to the abuse is awful. Its a real bad thing. Iv a few Church of Ireland buddies down in Limerick who play hurling. There has always been a few from the Palatine area of Limerick and I asked them once did they get hassle and they said they did ...lots of it and they didn't like it. They played hockey aswell and of course got non there. Its a real stain and I think the GAA needs to root it out because we have hardly any Protestants and probably no Unionists playing hurling and football. bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 08/02/2022 09:13:57 2399205 Link
As someone who was involved with inter-county - it is more common than you think, we came across horrendous comments v Louth , Wicklow and Longford cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 08/02/2022 11:00:09 2399250 Link
Replying To cuchulainn35: "As someone who was involved with inter-county - it is more common than you think, we came across horrendous comments v Louth , Wicklow and Longford" From someone in the same boat as yourself so did we when we played up north, it wasn't pleasant or welcomed and definitely shouldn't happen but I guess there are idiots aplenty in every county who think this is ok behaviour. Root them out, no one should be put off playing sport due to this. keepitlit (Longford) - Posts: 36 - 08/02/2022 11:22:55 2399265 Link
If people want to know why this is so raw for Northern Gaels just take a look at the NI Police Ombudsman report released this morning. That may give them a clue why emotions run so high. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9719 - 08/02/2022 12:01:38 2399279 Link
Sledging is just childish stuff. I had thought it had largely been discredited as some of the more successful managers of past ten years let it be known they were not going to tolerate it among their own players. Having words with someone in heat of battle is part of any sport, but persistent planned abuse of someone over some specific characteristic be it their colour, religion, girlfriend or whatever is obviously encouraged by some teams, and if that is the case then it ought to be dealt with. The Carlow thing - and similar where people have been subject to sectarian nonsense from one or two other Leinster counties who have form for this - is doubling pathetic as it indicates pretty much minimal knowledge of anything to do with the GAA in the 6 counties. A library card might be the suitable sanction in this instance, although I wouldn't want to make assumptions about literacy here! BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2668 - 08/02/2022 12:06:45 2399281 Link
Replying To cuchulainn35: "As someone who was involved with inter-county - it is more common than you think, we came across horrendous comments v Louth , Wicklow and Longford" When did you come across it with Longford? keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 08/02/2022 12:18:43 2399286 Link
I find this anti Nationalist agenda in the South very odd and a total ignorance of what people suffered in the North. These people are either ignorant of our history on this island or they have more time for the Sammy Wilson's of this world and his agenda. I've never lived it the North and rarely visit it but having spoken to people from there it's hard not to have sympathy for them in my opinion. I live in Limerick and have more Protestant neighbours than Catholic ones and religion is never discussed and find its not a topic anymore in the South so why should Southerners bring this up on a GAA field during a game. updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 817 - 08/02/2022 14:10:10 2399316 Link
Replying To updwell: "I find this anti Nationalist agenda in the South very odd and a total ignorance of what people suffered in the North. These people are either ignorant of our history on this island or they have more time for the Sammy Wilson's of this world and his agenda. I've never lived it the North and rarely visit it but having spoken to people from there it's hard not to have sympathy for them in my opinion. I live in Limerick and have more Protestant neighbours than Catholic ones and religion is never discussed and find its not a topic anymore in the South so why should Southerners bring this up on a GAA field during a game." I belive the hostility, indeed hatred, shown towards Tyrone and Armagh by the Southern media and pundits in the early 2000s set a horrible anti Northern tone which continues to this day. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9719 - 08/02/2022 14:39:35 2399330 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "I belive the hostility, indeed hatred, shown towards Tyrone and Armagh by the Southern media and pundits in the early 2000s set a horrible anti Northern tone which continues to this day." I dont think this is completely accuate. I grew up in an era when Tipp football was at a real low ebb and the football teams I supported as a young lad growing up werethe Down team of the 90's and that excellent Armagh team. Whether people disliked Tyrone or not was probably down to the style of football but had absolutely nothing to do with where they are from - i'd be surprised if what you say is accurate. Like the Limerick poster I know plenty or Protestants in the GAA and while I never heard much abuse in GAA circles I've heard plenty of abuse thrown around loosely in conversations. The people of this country are so poorly educated on this. Sam Maguire and multiple others were Protestants and from what what I know, 99% of GAA people are unaware of that. We've had a former president of the GAA in the not to recent past also. Religion and nationalities should never come into it. We pride ourselves in Ireland as being so hospitble to foreigners, tourists, etc and yet this type of behaviour is bred into some many. Having lived in multiple areas around Ireland I can say without question that some are far worse than others. It's far from isolated. Lifetime bans is the correct course of action. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 08/02/2022 14:55:47 2399339 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "I dont think this is completely accuate. I grew up in an era when Tipp football was at a real low ebb and the football teams I supported as a young lad growing up werethe Down team of the 90's and that excellent Armagh team. Whether people disliked Tyrone or not was probably down to the style of football but had absolutely nothing to do with where they are from - i'd be surprised if what you say is accurate. Like the Limerick poster I know plenty or Protestants in the GAA and while I never heard much abuse in GAA circles I've heard plenty of abuse thrown around loosely in conversations. The people of this country are so poorly educated on this. Sam Maguire and multiple others were Protestants and from what what I know, 99% of GAA people are unaware of that. We've had a former president of the GAA in the not to recent past also. Religion and nationalities should never come into it. We pride ourselves in Ireland as being so hospitble to foreigners, tourists, etc and yet this type of behaviour is bred into some many. Having lived in multiple areas around Ireland I can say without question that some are far worse than others. It's far from isolated. Lifetime bans is the correct course of action." Very few on here over the years have tried to push this idea of everyone being anti Ulster than Ulsterman. He jumps straight in to call everyone anti this and that and tries to deflect from anything he doesn't like. There was a record number if red cards in the Armagh Tyrone game, if they were all justified isn't the point, so it of course was going to be talked about. Ulsterman and other Ulster posters however are trying to make out it's only bring talked about because of the teams involved. Had it happened in a game with any other teams it'd likely get as much coverage. In actual fact it's mostly Ulster posters who are keeping it going. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1387 - 08/02/2022 15:54:46 2399356 Link
Replying To Blackbog: "Agree totally No room for this non sense If it is true then I am ashamed to be from the same county If they had brains they'd be dangerous" Why would you be ashamed to be from the same county? Does everyone in carlow share those views yes? Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1757 - 08/02/2022 19:36:49 2399421 Link