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Under GDPR I don't think a casual forum can ask for passports or other personal information, nor would they want to. You are only supposed to hold information necessary and relevant to the service you are providing.

Gambling is a highly regulated sector and is therefore different, they need to do that to ensure children aren't signing up for accounts etc.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1854 - 27/07/2020 15:21:24    2285469

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There's a difference between a site taking your ID and it being displayed on a forum. People can keep their anonymity when posting providing Hoganstand have verified they don't have multiple accounts. Plenty of sites take ID verification to verify a user's age. They don't share the info unless the user opts in to share info for marketing reasons to be contacted by third party.

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We have to decide whether we really want to stop users with multiple accounts, to stop trolling and abuse and how we could do that. ID verification is one way. Just my opinion.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5689 - 27/07/2020 14:47:43
Huge difference between a web discussion forum and a gambling website with huge transactions daily.
moderators have capabilities to check IP addresses etc to stop people using multiple accounts do they not?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 947 - 27/07/2020 15:42:45    2285472

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Under GDPR I don't think a casual forum can ask for passports or other personal information, nor would they want to. You are only supposed to hold information necessary and relevant to the service you are providing.

Gambling is a highly regulated sector and is therefore different, they need to do that to ensure children aren't signing up for accounts etc."
That's true I'd say. But they need to find some way of verifying accounts I think. Tracking IPs won't do it. GDPR is important but I cynically think it's a money spinner for some and promotes fearmongering about Internet security for people who are less tech savvy. EU governments should drive free Internet education so people are more aware of any dangers. Plus there were many who had more concerns about GDPR than COVID19 when the COVID tracing app was being developed. I'd rather take my chances with GDPR.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5707 - 27/07/2020 16:12:16    2285476

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Replying To KillingFields:  "There's a difference between a site taking your ID and it being displayed on a forum. People can keep their anonymity when posting providing Hoganstand have verified they don't have multiple accounts. Plenty of sites take ID verification to verify a user's age. They don't share the info unless the user opts in to share info for marketing reasons to be contacted by third party.

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We have to decide whether we really want to stop users with multiple accounts, to stop trolling and abuse and how we could do that. ID verification is one way. Just my opinion.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5689 - 27/07/2020 14:47:43
Huge difference between a web discussion forum and a gambling website with huge transactions daily.
moderators have capabilities to check IP addresses etc to stop people using multiple accounts do they not?"
They can try and check IP adresses alright. Wouldn't help them track multiple accounts who post from same IP from different locations or can hide their IP. A waste of time. Need to verify that the poster is who they claim to be.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5707 - 27/07/2020 17:29:55    2285485

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They can try and check IP adresses alright. Wouldn't help them track multiple accounts who post from same IP from different locations or can hide their IP. A waste of time. Need to verify that the poster is who they claim to be.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5691 - 27/07/2020 17:29:55
Thats going too far though,
How many forums do you know of have people upload their id to post?
Its going too far in privacy terms.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 947 - 27/07/2020 17:39:46    2285486

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Replying To KillingFields:  "as much as the thumbs up
wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1440 - 27/07/2020 11:46:16
it doesnt.
the negative down thumbs stops discussion. adding likes is fair and a good thing. negatively ranking posts isnt good"
Listen Ormond. Nobody, absolutely nobody except you seems to keep track of red and green thumbs. I have never liked or disliked a comment on here. I forget they are there. If getting rid of them stops you talking about it then I support you 100 per cent. These threads are painful.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6681 - 27/07/2020 17:53:00    2285488

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Replying To KillingFields:  "They can try and check IP adresses alright. Wouldn't help them track multiple accounts who post from same IP from different locations or can hide their IP. A waste of time. Need to verify that the poster is who they claim to be.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5691 - 27/07/2020 17:29:55
Thats going too far though,
How many forums do you know of have people upload their id to post?
Its going too far in privacy terms."
Privacy v Trolling/Mutiple Accounts per person/ Abusive posting.

For me privacy is overrated if transparency results in a better forum.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5707 - 27/07/2020 18:17:08    2285490

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It's easy to complain and ask for improvements but you do not know what resources are available to the owners and while it would improve the site if they were able to eliminate some rubbish and certain contributors multiply identities I suspect it's easier said than done.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1418 - 27/07/2020 20:37:03    2285500

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Privacy v Trolling/Mutiple Accounts per person/ Abusive posting.
For me privacy is overrated if transparency results in a better forum.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5692 - 27/07/2020 18:17:08
How many forums do as you propose this site to do?
Just close the whole forum and use facebook for it then
You would have a much better forum if it looked and acted like nearly all other forums with the features that all those have that here does not


It's easy to complain and ask for improvements but you do not know what resources are available to the owners and while it would improve the site if they were able to eliminate some rubbish and certain contributors multiply identities I suspect it's easier said than done.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1399 - 27/07/2020 20:37:03
Is the website not a magazine etc and have income from ads through there.
Many other smaller forums are updated more often and modernised. So why cant this site?
What contributors have multiple identities?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 947 - 27/07/2020 23:18:37    2285508

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Privacy v Trolling/Mutiple Accounts per person/ Abusive posting.
For me privacy is overrated if transparency results in a better forum.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5692 - 27/07/2020 18:17:08
How many forums do as you propose this site to do?
Just close the whole forum and use facebook for it then
You would have a much better forum if it looked and acted like nearly all other forums with the features that all those have that here does not


It's easy to complain and ask for improvements but you do not know what resources are available to the owners and while it would improve the site if they were able to eliminate some rubbish and certain contributors multiply identities I suspect it's easier said than done.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1399 - 27/07/2020 20:37:03
Is the website not a magazine etc and have income from ads through there.
Many other smaller forums are updated more often and modernised. So why cant this site?
What contributors have multiple identities?"
Income doesn't necessarily mean you are wealthy.
Yeah, I'll give you the names of those with more than one username so you can ask me to prove this. Wise up will you ?

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1418 - 28/07/2020 12:06:27    2285545

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Income doesn't necessarily mean you are wealthy.
Yeah, I'll give you the names of those with more than one username so you can ask me to prove this. Wise up will you ?
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1400 - 28/07/2020 12:06:27
yet other websites can do it?
Who are all those with more than one username. Ive used several but not more than one at a time

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 947 - 28/07/2020 12:16:24    2285547

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Income doesn't necessarily mean you are wealthy.
Yeah, I'll give you the names of those with more than one username so you can ask me to prove this. Wise up will you ?
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1400 - 28/07/2020 12:06:27
yet other websites can do it?
Who are all those with more than one username. Ive used several but not more than one at a time"
Other websites are of no relevance to this sites wealth.
Well, if you can have several ?

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1418 - 28/07/2020 13:08:54    2285561

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I am Spartacus!

Morty (Westmeath) - Posts: 110 - 28/07/2020 13:50:54    2285571

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Other websites are of no relevance to this sites wealth.
Well, if you can have several ?
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1401 - 28/07/2020 13:08:54
well when moderators dont let people know about changes or reasons for posts not going up or anything else how do we know.
most other sites are very open about changes or proposed changes. why cant this site?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 947 - 28/07/2020 14:37:57    2285580

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Replying To catch22:  "
Replying To KillingFields:  "Income doesn't necessarily mean you are wealthy.
Yeah, I'll give you the names of those with more than one username so you can ask me to prove this. Wise up will you ?
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1400 - 28/07/2020 12:06:27
yet other websites can do it?
Who are all those with more than one username. Ive used several but not more than one at a time"
Other websites are of no relevance to this sites wealth.
Well, if you can have several ?"
And ive used different accounts at different times not at the same time. i change username regularly like on all forums i use

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 947 - 28/07/2020 14:48:20    2285581

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I think I've been using the forum in one form or another since 2001 (consuming for years, before actually contributing), and there's something re-assuring about the consistency of its layout/usability. The lack of bells and whistles tends to make it a more straightforward user experience, for me at least. But to each their own, obviously.
I think conversations naturally tend to get a bit unfocused when there's no inter-county activity, its a GAA forum, thats to be expected. And this year has been like no other, and we're all in a weird headspace. But when inter-county competitions start, the threads become better and more diverse, conversation improves, and things stay on topic more.

The issue of users with multiple accounts is an issue, but I think any verification of identity might discourage people from using the site. Typically when the same user starts posting with multiple accounts, they write in the same style, people cop on to it, and it works itself out. I think.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1760 - 28/07/2020 15:46:53    2285592

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I think I've been using the forum in one form or another since 2001 (consuming for years, before actually contributing), and there's something re-assuring about the consistency of its layout/usability. The lack of bells and whistles tends to make it a more straightforward user experience, for me at least. But to each their own, obviously.
I think conversations naturally tend to get a bit unfocused when there's no inter-county activity, its a GAA forum, thats to be expected. And this year has been like no other, and we're all in a weird headspace. But when inter-county competitions start, the threads become better and more diverse, conversation improves, and things stay on topic more.

The issue of users with multiple accounts is an issue, but I think any verification of identity might discourage people from using the site. Typically when the same user starts posting with multiple accounts, they write in the same style, people cop on to it, and it works itself out. I think.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1759 - 28/07/2020 15:46:53
Can you say boards.ie or leinsterfans or gaaboards.com or https://kerrygaa.proboards.com/board/2/general-board are not straightforward to use.
There is straightforward to use and there is very basic. This site is very basic. Doesnt have any features that aid discussions and make better User Experience.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 947 - 28/07/2020 16:01:55    2285594

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Income doesn't necessarily mean you are wealthy.
Yeah, I'll give you the names of those with more than one username so you can ask me to prove this. Wise up will you ?
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1400 - 28/07/2020 12:06:27
yet other websites can do it?
Who are all those with more than one username. Ive used several but not more than one at a time"
Now now, don't be telling fibs

Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts: 11649 - 28/07/2020 16:05:52    2285595

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Replying To Breffni39:  "
Replying To KillingFields:  "Income doesn't necessarily mean you are wealthy.
Yeah, I'll give you the names of those with more than one username so you can ask me to prove this. Wise up will you ?
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1400 - 28/07/2020 12:06:27
yet other websites can do it?
Who are all those with more than one username. Ive used several but not more than one at a time"
Now now, don't be telling fibs"
ok maybe i have. but so have too many people on this site. and its irrelevant to the thread discussion
Upgrade the forum and we all benefit. do you agree or disagree with that

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 947 - 28/07/2020 17:49:10    2285608

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Replying To KillingFields:  "I think I've been using the forum in one form or another since 2001 (consuming for years, before actually contributing), and there's something re-assuring about the consistency of its layout/usability. The lack of bells and whistles tends to make it a more straightforward user experience, for me at least. But to each their own, obviously.
I think conversations naturally tend to get a bit unfocused when there's no inter-county activity, its a GAA forum, thats to be expected. And this year has been like no other, and we're all in a weird headspace. But when inter-county competitions start, the threads become better and more diverse, conversation improves, and things stay on topic more.

The issue of users with multiple accounts is an issue, but I think any verification of identity might discourage people from using the site. Typically when the same user starts posting with multiple accounts, they write in the same style, people cop on to it, and it works itself out. I think.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1759 - 28/07/2020 15:46:53
Can you say boards.ie or leinsterfans or gaaboards.com or https://kerrygaa.proboards.com/board/2/general-board are not straightforward to use.
There is straightforward to use and there is very basic. This site is very basic. Doesnt have any features that aid discussions and make better User Experience."
No, I can't say those sites are not straightforward to use, why would I? I don't use them, but I'm sure they're fine sites, and more power to anyone supporting independent communication platforms.
My post was just about my experience with this site, hence why I explicitly said "more straightforward user experience, for me at least. But to each their own, obviously." I wasn't saying that this site is more or less straightforward than any other site, just an independent impression of my experience here, all other things being equal.

I've also being using this site for 19 years (yikes), so I'm probably just very used to it. I get why users of other fora would be more used to features they've used there, I just don't have any requirements like that. For me, the only thing that can really aid discussions is how we post ourselves, what attitude we come to the discussion with. And having interesting topics to discuss. Right now, there's a drought, but that'll improve when we get back to the games.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1760 - 28/07/2020 19:01:05    2285612

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