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Replying To zinny:  "Do people in NI do not go around with images of H&W on flags proclaiming they are Superior to others, whether Catholics or other religions and just because of their religion they should be treated as subhumans?
Do you really think the BLM movement is only a social media spin and something that is cool? is that your intelligent response to BLM?"
There are plenty of genuine activists in Black Lives Matter who work hard for change and to change mindsets. Rhiannon Giddens, is one of them, has been campaigning for years for equality for women and black people. Check out these lyrics, powerful stuff about a slave girl in 1830.

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But I also think there are those that jump on the bandwagon from afar, many of them since George Floyd was murdered. And media outlets on the same bandwagon jumping on it to sell newspapers and advertising. Putting a few Black Lives Matter pictures and videos on your Facebook does no good when you're being racist to the local Traveller or the Polish girl working in LIDL.

But I fail to see what good comes from banning flags and emblems. Wiping out history serves no good for me. There's an Auschwitz museum a Hitler bunker museum and many others there to let people learn the lesson that this should not be allowed to happen again. I don't think removing reminders of atrocities like the Confederate flag helps anyone to learn from mistakes made, nor a Harland and Wolf symbol. People need to discuss the past and learn from it rather than ignore it.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5707 - 20/07/2020 14:20:46    2284633

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "There are plenty of genuine activists in Black Lives Matter who work hard for change and to change mindsets. Rhiannon Giddens, is one of them, has been campaigning for years for equality for women and black people. Check out these lyrics, powerful stuff about a slave girl in 1830.

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But I also think there are those that jump on the bandwagon from afar, many of them since George Floyd was murdered. And media outlets on the same bandwagon jumping on it to sell newspapers and advertising. Putting a few Black Lives Matter pictures and videos on your Facebook does no good when you're being racist to the local Traveller or the Polish girl working in LIDL.

But I fail to see what good comes from banning flags and emblems. Wiping out history serves no good for me. There's an Auschwitz museum a Hitler bunker museum and many others there to let people learn the lesson that this should not be allowed to happen again. I don't think removing reminders of atrocities like the Confederate flag helps anyone to learn from mistakes made, nor a Harland and Wolf symbol. People need to discuss the past and learn from it rather than ignore it."
Ok so I think we were at cross purposes and agree with each other up to the point of the symbols. I would like to see anything that was used as a symbol of oppression or that represented evil end up in museums where they can be used to educate people in the future. However we are talking about symbols that people are using to keep the movement alive, some would say the marches for the 12th are exactly the same as the CF. Like the tricolour and the anthem its something that has to be discussed in the future.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 792 - 20/07/2020 14:50:53    2284637

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  "Well, I don't, do you? You sneered at plight of people in the six counties in your response to GreenandRed, and then you used the plight of people in the six counties to try to make, well, lets call it a "point" for the sake of civil discourse, in your response to me. So thats a little unclear."
I didn't sneer at the plight of people from the 6 counties. I just sneer at the idea going around that supporting BLM means forgetting about or ignoring problems in white areas.

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 898 - 20/07/2020 17:09:08    2284656

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "The was a thread on this a couple of months ago when the plan to set up the club was first announced.

You will find more things to criticise so if the Harland and Wolff logo doesn't sit right with you. They also wont be playing Amhrann na bhFiann at games and intend to campaign for it to be dropped by the GAA nationwide in the long term.

Personally, I wish them every good luck. If it leads to a widening of appeal of the GAA and to people from the other tradition embracing our national games and identifying with them I am all for it and I would have no issue with any changes that come about to the non essentials such as possibly eventually dropping the anthem."
Have you link to this campaign?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2849 - 20/07/2020 21:18:43    2284684

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Replying To catch22:  "The confederate flag has nothing got to do with the GAA or Irish sport. The H & W shipyard is part of the history of this part of Ireland and represents a significant part of its past and the people who might decide to become part of this club.
If the GAA wants to accommodate all those who are part of this country in its association and who wish to participate in our games then let's move in the right direction."
The Confederate flag has been associated with Cork since the formation of the GAA.

The Untold Story Of Cork And The Confederate Flag
https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/06/12/the-untold-story-of-cork-and-the-confederate-flag/

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 977 - 21/07/2020 19:02:00    2284782

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I think I read somewhere that Malone Rugby club offered their pitches to them which was a nice touch.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1763 - 22/07/2020 13:38:11    2284860

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "I think I read somewhere that Malone Rugby club offered their pitches to them which was a nice touch."
Fair play to Malone Rugby. Not too far into the east of the city but next door to the Cregagh estate. I wholeheartedly wish them the best of luck. It would be nice to see some barriers removed in the 6 counties and this would be a significant one.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1854 - 22/07/2020 14:20:00    2284867

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Good article in the Sunday Times sport pages. Club President Linda Ervine has certainly has an interesting background. She sounds like the right person for the job. I wish her and East Belfast GAA club all the best.

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 932 - 30/07/2020 14:43:07    2285847

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