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Does Gaelic Football Need The 22/50 Rugby Rule ?

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Ormo is name calling and bullying. It is derogatory by the very definition of derogatory.
You said gaa doesnt need change but can you honestly say that about either Gaelic football or hurling considering we here so many players, coaches, fans always saying changes are needed and should happen.
Gaa isnt a sport. It's an organisation."
'Ormo' is a shortened version of your original name on here. A name you gave yourself. In case you haven't noticed, a lot of people on here address each other by short versions of their poster names. Its handy and respectful. Anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously looking to be offended. You're also not in a position to define a word already made crystal clear in a dictionary in order to suit your fabricated grievances.

Sport/organisation whatever floats your boat, they make rules. Its my opinion that BOTH games should be left alone for a while so we can at least see some trends and flaws before we go listening to every coach, pundit or supporter's biased needs for their own cause on an annual basis.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 14/07/2020 15:52:17    2284051

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "All clear from a rugby context. But applying this to Gaelic Football, this rule would be encouraging teams to kick it over the sideline, purely to get more kicking into the game.
I don't think that would be very appealing to the viewing public. People like seeing the ball kicked to other players, not out over the sideline."
You could adapt it to Gaelic somehow to encourage more kicking.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 14/07/2020 16:53:45    2284057

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "What age are you? Seriously? Every single poster has explained this to you, including myself in detail. It's not bullying. Everyone on here is anonymous, it's not a personal attack. How do you not understand this ?"
It is bullying. Its trolling. Its wumming.
I know that to be true.
Do you need it to be explained over and over. If you deliberately call someone over and over by a name they find disrespectful and offensive then its bullying.
Yes people are anonymous using pseudonyms but of course there can be personal attacks. And abusive attacks. you are very naive if you think that isnt the case

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 14/07/2020 16:56:28    2284058

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Replying To essmac:  "Sorry no idea what this even means"
It's like you can kick the ball out and it's still your ball at the restart, so long as you kick it farf enough.

Works for them - but it's not right for Gaelic.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 14/07/2020 16:59:09    2284059

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "'Ormo' is a shortened version of your original name on here. A name you gave yourself. In case you haven't noticed, a lot of people on here address each other by short versions of their poster names. Its handy and respectful. Anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously looking to be offended. You're also not in a position to define a word already made crystal clear in a dictionary in order to suit your fabricated grievances.

Sport/organisation whatever floats your boat, they make rules. Its my opinion that BOTH games should be left alone for a while so we can at least see some trends and flaws before we go listening to every coach, pundit or supporter's biased needs for their own cause on an annual basis."
And my name was ormond. If represents my club, the area I'm from. Where I'm from. I'm not from ormo, saying ormo is disrespectful to my town, area,
As I've said before I didnt mind my name being shortened it was what it was shortened to that i took offence to
There has been trends going back years on certain areas of game which is why changes are constantly being trialled

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 14/07/2020 16:59:13    2284060

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Nonsense but go ahead with potshots at rugby fans all you like"
I am a rugby fan but have no problem admitting that most fans that have come in since Munster and Ireland started winning don't have a clue about the rules of the game.
It happens in all sports but is very clear in a complicated one like rugby

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 14/07/2020 17:18:14    2284063

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Nonsense but go ahead with potshots at rugby fans all you like"
I am a rugby fan but have no problem admitting that most fans that have come in since Munster and Ireland started winning don't have a clue about the rules of the game.
It happens in all sports but is very clear in a complicated one like rugby

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 14/07/2020 17:18:15    2284064

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Replying To KillingFields:  "And my name was ormond. If represents my club, the area I'm from. Where I'm from. I'm not from ormo, saying ormo is disrespectful to my town, area,
As I've said before I didnt mind my name being shortened it was what it was shortened to that i took offence to
There has been trends going back years on certain areas of game which is why changes are constantly being trialled"
There is a difference you know between what is disrespectful and what you've decided is disrespectful. Thats more your problem than anyone else's. Plenty of examples of areas or towns that get shortened versions or nicknames too so maybe time for you to grow up a bit.

Its fine for you to call the GAA a 's***show' etc I see. Strange that you spend so much time on a GAA forum if that's your feelings about it. Did all the rugby forums ban you or something?

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 14/07/2020 17:27:17    2284066

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "There is a difference you know between what is disrespectful and what you've decided is disrespectful. Thats more your problem than anyone else's. Plenty of examples of areas or towns that get shortened versions or nicknames too so maybe time for you to grow up a bit.

Its fine for you to call the GAA a 's***show' etc I see. Strange that you spend so much time on a GAA forum if that's your feelings about it. Did all the rugby forums ban you or something?"
And do people find these shortened names offensive? It's all about context.
There was nothing wrong with ormondbannerman being shortened it was saying ormo not ormond which was the problem.
And this wouldnt keep coming up if it was settled and people just had typed two extra letters now would it?
Those towns/areas that have their names shortened generally agree with and decided what to shorten their name to.
I post very regularly in gaa threads here and what's wrong with that?
Yes I spend time on a gaa forum. Because I like and enjoy elements of Hurling and Gaelic football

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 14/07/2020 18:32:44    2284071

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Replying To KillingFields:  "And do people find these shortened names offensive? It's all about context.
There was nothing wrong with ormondbannerman being shortened it was saying ormo not ormond which was the problem.
And this wouldnt keep coming up if it was settled and people just had typed two extra letters now would it?
Those towns/areas that have their names shortened generally agree with and decided what to shorten their name to.
I post very regularly in gaa threads here and what's wrong with that?
Yes I spend time on a gaa forum. Because I like and enjoy elements of Hurling and Gaelic football"
You're about the only person I can think of who would find offense in something so trivial. Maybe, just maybe its you and not everyone else who has the problem. Respect is earned and not forced from anyone. Telling people to address you this or that way isn't going to help you much in life.

Yes you are free to post on a GAA forum like everyone else. Thats fine. But some of your posts would suggest you dont have much respect for the game. Why waste so much time on a forum dedicated to the sport if that's the case?

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 14/07/2020 19:07:46    2284077

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "You're about the only person I can think of who would find offense in something so trivial. Maybe, just maybe its you and not everyone else who has the problem. Respect is earned and not forced from anyone. Telling people to address you this or that way isn't going to help you much in life.

Yes you are free to post on a GAA forum like everyone else. Thats fine. But some of your posts would suggest you dont have much respect for the game. Why waste so much time on a forum dedicated to the sport if that's the case?"
I have diagnosed social anxiety and can be a bit obsessive about things like how I'm referenced(and have said that before about my anxiety)
Respect does have to be earned but considering I was saying from the very beginning of my time on the site as ormond that I preferred to be called ormond not ormo yet people didnt I think going on about respect must be earned is hypocritical
What posts on gaa topics suggest I dont have any respect for the game?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3511 - 14/07/2020 20:18:09    2284080

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Replying To KillingFields:  "You havent watched a game of rugby then if that's what you take from a game.
At least rugby has laws and iant the s*** show that Gaelic is"
Sorry, I forgot, earlier in the same game I went out for a beer and to use the toilet. Came back with 4 pints and they were still arsing around with the scrum which they were at when I left.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1736 - 14/07/2020 20:48:52    2284081

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Replying To KillingFields:  "I have diagnosed social anxiety and can be a bit obsessive about things like how I'm referenced(and have said that before about my anxiety)
Respect does have to be earned but considering I was saying from the very beginning of my time on the site as ormond that I preferred to be called ormond not ormo yet people didnt I think going on about respect must be earned is hypocritical
What posts on gaa topics suggest I dont have any respect for the game?"
You tell them ormo!

Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 706 - 14/07/2020 23:02:01    2284086

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Very simple
In rugby if you kick the ball from your own half and it bounces into touch in the opposition 22 you get the throw in.
Or if you kick from your own 22 and it bounces into touch in the opposition half you get the throw in. It's to encourage teams to kick the ball more and put players in back field in rugby and make more space."
Thanks. I didn't have the motivation to articulate so well.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 15/07/2020 01:04:18    2284092

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Replying To KillingFields:  "You havent watched a game of rugby then if that's what you take from a game.
At least rugby has laws and iant the s*** show that Gaelic is"
I think Gaelic could be improved - but that needs change. Specifically, longer range kicking should be encouraged - I only offered the 22/50 or 50/22 for opinions. The overwhelming conclusion in this thread seems to be - leave the game alone, regardless of whether it's good - or god forbid - it needs any minor change at all.

Hurling needs less change - including proper enforcement of the handpass and possibly, a lengthened 65, given the improvement in player conditioning over recent decades.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 15/07/2020 01:29:57    2284093

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Replying To Whammo86:  "No it's completely change our game.

Small change big impact should be a good guide as to how rules should be changed."
I agree on 'small change, big impact' being the guide where it works. But where not, then 'bigger change, big impact' should be chosen.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 15/07/2020 01:36:15    2284094

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "All clear from a rugby context. But applying this to Gaelic Football, this rule would be encouraging teams to kick it over the sideline, purely to get more kicking into the game.
I don't think that would be very appealing to the viewing public. People like seeing the ball kicked to other players, not out over the sideline."
Yup - how would you kick to other players, then ? Offer something, anything ? Yes, kick to other players is obviously better.

Previously, I offered a 'two line clearance' - either optionally, defence kicks across OWN 45 & 65 to midfield area; or mandatorily, across BOTH 65s (breaks up endless handpassing, without imposing a handpass 'count' limitation).

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 15/07/2020 01:50:18    2284095

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "What age are you? Seriously? Every single poster has explained this to you, including myself in detail. It's not bullying. Everyone on here is anonymous, it's not a personal attack. How do you not understand this ?"
Age has nothing to do with it. It's a matter of 'innovation v inertia.'

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 15/07/2020 01:58:00    2284096

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Replying To Breezy:  "I am a rugby fan but have no problem admitting that most fans that have come in since Munster and Ireland started winning don't have a clue about the rules of the game.
It happens in all sports but is very clear in a complicated one like rugby"
Is this a rule or a fan problem - just asking ? As I am not keeping up with the rules of my own beloved sport, it has to be someone else's fault.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2614 - 15/07/2020 02:07:44    2284097

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It is bullying. Its trolling. Its wumming.
I know that to be true.
Do you need it to be explained over and over. If you deliberately call someone over and over by a name they find disrespectful and offensive then its bullying.
Yes people are anonymous using pseudonyms but of course there can be personal attacks. And abusive attacks. you are very naive if you think that isnt the case"
No place at all for bullying - you are right.

I move we stick to calling you KillingThreads from now on.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 15/07/2020 08:08:41    2284098

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