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From 2014, Peter Canavan picks the best players he has played with or against, excluding Tyrone players."
Interesting video from 2015, cluxtin not even Peters 3rd choice goalie says a lot. It proves for 14 of his 19 year career the cluck was only an average goalie, good kicker but not a great goalie."
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MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12925 - 24/05/2020 19:49:44    2279142

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From 2014, Peter Canavan picks the best players he has played with or against, excluding Tyrone players."
Interesting video from 2015, cluxtin not even Peters 3rd choice goalie says a lot. It proves for 14 of his 19 year career the cluck was only an average goalie, good kicker but not a great goalie."
Yip, one player's opinion 'proves' Cluxton was not a great goalie.

It was 2014. A lot happened since then."]Greenandred you posted the video so you must think Peters opinion was worth listening to and Peter the great is someone I'd listen to when it comes to talking football.

When you consider Pete couldn't pick paschal McConnell or John Devine from his own county he'd actually be further down the pecking order.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10740 - 24/05/2020 20:48:14    2279146

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "No Cork players either?

In the last 40 years Kerry won 11 allirelands dublin 9 meath 4 Cork 3 Tyrone 3 Galway 2, Donegal 2 Down 2 offaly 1 Derry 1 Armagh 1.

I think Mayo played in 9 of those 39 finals so great players there as well."
No Cork players. I would consider A few out of Canty, Cahalane, Steven O Brien, Shea Fahy and Larry Tompkins. From Down, Mickey Linden and Benny Coulter. Con O Callaghan and Bernard Brogan are also omitted. Anthony Tohill, Jack O Shea and Brian Mullins we're best midfielders in last 40 years

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 502 - 24/05/2020 21:52:01    2279150

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From 2014, Peter Canavan picks the best players he has played with or against, excluding Tyrone players."
Interesting video from 2015, cluxtin not even Peters 3rd choice goalie says a lot. It proves for 14 of his 19 year career the cluck was only an average goalie, good kicker but not a great goalie."
What would Canavan know about keepers? Come on. One mans opinions is wait for it, listen very carefully, just one mans opinion. As my lad would say "who is Canaan?"

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4301 - 24/05/2020 21:58:24    2279151

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Replying To Rockies:  "No Cork players. I would consider A few out of Canty, Cahalane, Steven O Brien, Shea Fahy and Larry Tompkins. From Down, Mickey Linden and Benny Coulter. Con O Callaghan and Bernard Brogan are also omitted. Anthony Tohill, Jack O Shea and Brian Mullins we're best midfielders in last 40 years"
I agree there should be a few Cork lads on that team.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10740 - 25/05/2020 07:53:04    2279161

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I agree there should be a few Cork lads on that team."
The problem with saying such and such should be included is they have to replace someone else, who most agree should be on the team as well.
All of those players mentioned were fantastic footballers. That's the problem with picking a team like this, there can only be 15.
You could easily pick another team that would be just as good.
The hurling version is a classic example. People are having to pick 2 wing-backs from Padraic Maher, Brian Whelehan and Tommy Walsh. Leaving one of them out seems ridiculous, but that's the nature of it.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 704 - 25/05/2020 16:29:10    2279180

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Replying To arock:  "
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From 2014, Peter Canavan picks the best players he has played with or against, excluding Tyrone players."
Interesting video from 2015, cluxtin not even Peters 3rd choice goalie says a lot. It proves for 14 of his 19 year career the cluck was only an average goalie, good kicker but not a great goalie."
What would Canavan know about keepers? Come on. One mans opinions is wait for it, listen very carefully, just one mans opinion. As my lad would say "who is Canaan?""]I would take Rory Beggan over cluxton any day of the week..cluxton is a fantastic leader in a great side but still would take Beggan..

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 244 - 26/05/2020 12:55:53    2279233

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I look at this type of thing as 'Who are the players you absolutely must include?' Once you have those, the remaining 7-8 places could be argued about for eternity, as there are just so many great contenders. For me, the nailed on certainties would be:

Stephen Cluxton - the GAA's greatest goalkeeper, however you want to measure it.

Jack McCaffrey - still relatively young, but it's difficult to imagine there has ever been a better wing-half back.

Jack O'Shea - 4 times footballer of the year, and the star man on Kerry's golden team

Larry Tompkins - played intercounty football at the age of 16, and went on to become the best footballer in Ireland for about 5 years in the late '80s. He was a better and more dominant player than Blaney, Giles, McDonald, McGuigan, Fallon, Kilkenny etc

Pat Spillane - Chosen on the GAA Centenary team in 1984, and still added another couple of MOTM performances in All-Ireland finals after that.

Matt Connor - in an era that included Mikey Sheehy, John Egan and Colm O'Rourke, Matt Connor was regarded by almost everyone as the best inside forward in the country for about 4-5 years.

Peter Canavan - The outstanding footballer of the last 30 years. The Independent rated him as the 3rd best Gaelic footballer of all-time in their 'Top 125' list in 2009.

After these players have been included, let the rest fight it out.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1000 - 26/05/2020 13:40:22    2279238

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Replying To mick2007:  "
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From 2014, Peter Canavan picks the best players he has played with or against, excluding Tyrone players."
Interesting video from 2015, cluxtin not even Peters 3rd choice goalie says a lot. It proves for 14 of his 19 year career the cluck was only an average goalie, good kicker but not a great goalie."
What would Canavan know about keepers? Come on. One mans opinions is wait for it, listen very carefully, just one mans opinion. As my lad would say "who is Canaan?""]I would take Rory Beggan over cluxton any day of the week..cluxton is a fantastic leader in a great side but still would take Beggan.."]You're right, and like I said he's had about 6 good years out of a 19 year career, people have tended to forget all his bad years, who remembers the 5 goals he let in against Meath?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10740 - 26/05/2020 14:04:58    2279244

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "
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From 2014, Peter Canavan picks the best players he has played with or against, excluding Tyrone players."
Interesting video from 2015, cluxtin not even Peters 3rd choice goalie says a lot. It proves for 14 of his 19 year career the cluck was only an average goalie, good kicker but not a great goalie."
What would Canavan know about keepers? Come on. One mans opinions is wait for it, listen very carefully, just one mans opinion. As my lad would say "who is Canaan?""]I would take Rory Beggan over cluxton any day of the week..cluxton is a fantastic leader in a great side but still would take Beggan.."]You're right, and like I said he's had about 6 good years out of a 19 year career, people have tended to forget all his bad years, who remembers the 5 goals he let in against Meath?"]In fairness when you have the likes of blue nose Whelan and joe brolly on TV shouting from the rooftops about cluxton and leading the circus, it leads to Dublin supporters being blind sighted and hanging off every word about how he could turn water into wine!! Great keeper yes but he hasn't reinvented the game as we're lead to believe...

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 244 - 26/05/2020 15:29:49    2279260

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Replying To Thomas Clarke:  "I look at this type of thing as 'Who are the players you absolutely must include?' Once you have those, the remaining 7-8 places could be argued about for eternity, as there are just so many great contenders. For me, the nailed on certainties would be:

Stephen Cluxton - the GAA's greatest goalkeeper, however you want to measure it.

Jack McCaffrey - still relatively young, but it's difficult to imagine there has ever been a better wing-half back.

Jack O'Shea - 4 times footballer of the year, and the star man on Kerry's golden team

Larry Tompkins - played intercounty football at the age of 16, and went on to become the best footballer in Ireland for about 5 years in the late '80s. He was a better and more dominant player than Blaney, Giles, McDonald, McGuigan, Fallon, Kilkenny etc

Pat Spillane - Chosen on the GAA Centenary team in 1984, and still added another couple of MOTM performances in All-Ireland finals after that.

Matt Connor - in an era that included Mikey Sheehy, John Egan and Colm O'Rourke, Matt Connor was regarded by almost everyone as the best inside forward in the country for about 4-5 years.

Peter Canavan - The outstanding footballer of the last 30 years. The Independent rated him as the 3rd best Gaelic footballer of all-time in their 'Top 125' list in 2009.

After these players have been included, let the rest fight it out."
How good a defender is McCaffrey?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5612 - 26/05/2020 16:58:23    2279266

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "How good a defender is McCaffrey?"
McCaffrey is a great defender but not as good as lee keegan who could play in any position

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 244 - 26/05/2020 18:54:10    2279275

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Replying To mick2007:  "
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From 2014, Peter Canavan picks the best players he has played with or against, excluding Tyrone players."
Interesting video from 2015, cluxtin not even Peters 3rd choice goalie says a lot. It proves for 14 of his 19 year career the cluck was only an average goalie, good kicker but not a great goalie."
What would Canavan know about keepers? Come on. One mans opinions is wait for it, listen very carefully, just one mans opinion. As my lad would say "who is Canaan?""]I would take Rory Beggan over cluxton any day of the week..cluxton is a fantastic leader in a great side but still would take Beggan.."]You're right, and like I said he's had about 6 good years out of a 19 year career, people have tended to forget all his bad years, who remembers the 5 goals he let in against Meath?"]In fairness when you have the likes of blue nose Whelan and joe brolly on TV shouting from the rooftops about cluxton and leading the circus, it leads to Dublin supporters being blind sighted and hanging off every word about how he could turn water into wine!! Great keeper yes but he hasn't reinvented the game as we're lead to believe..."]Well I suppose Colm O'Rourke and Pat Spillane must be fully paid up members of the blue nose circus as well as they both selected Clucko as a shoe-in on their team of the decade and team of the 21st century respectively. Indeed Spillane is so obviously pro-dub that Clucko is the only Dub on his selection. Hard to understand how Rory missed out!

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 145 - 26/05/2020 20:40:07    2279283

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Replying To mick2007:  "McCaffrey is a great defender but not as good as lee keegan who could play in any position"
Is McCaffery a particularly great defender even? I think if he was playing in bygone eras he'd be a wing forward (and a very good one). His dynamic style and speed going forward is what makes him great. He is such a threat you have to plan for him.

McCaffrey would be in my team but I think there are better pure defenders around personally. I don't think you could put him in the category of 'must make this team', as a lot of people might have two out of O'Connell, O'Se, Keegan, Jordan etc.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1787 - 26/05/2020 20:43:54    2279285

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Is McCaffery a particularly great defender even? I think if he was playing in bygone eras he'd be a wing forward (and a very good one). His dynamic style and speed going forward is what makes him great. He is such a threat you have to plan for him.

McCaffrey would be in my team but I think there are better pure defenders around personally. I don't think you could put him in the category of 'must make this team', as a lot of people might have two out of O'Connell, O'Se, Keegan, Jordan etc."
When a great player like Paul galvin says that Philip Jordan was his toughest opponent that tells you how good of player Jordan was in a fantastic Tyrone team that took care of an equally great Kerry team.. regarding McCaffrey he is a quality operator with skill and pace to burn.. imagine a 1/2 back line of Jordan, Keegan and mc caffery.. pace and power rolled into one

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 244 - 26/05/2020 21:41:40    2279291

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Replying To mick2007:  "When a great player like Paul galvin says that Philip Jordan was his toughest opponent that tells you how good of player Jordan was in a fantastic Tyrone team that took care of an equally great Kerry team.. regarding McCaffrey he is a quality operator with skill and pace to burn.. imagine a 1/2 back line of Jordan, Keegan and mc caffery.. pace and power rolled into one"
Jordan was absolutely outstanding, the half back line might be the most competitive area in the entire TSG team. There are just so many wonderful players there.

James McCarthy is up there with all of them. Seamus Moynihan also played his best football there and he might be the best of the entire lot, won All Stars at right half back even though he is remembered as a full back. He was the best wing back in the country by a mile around the turn of the millennium but Kerry were so stuck for a full back that they had to put him back there where he was also outstanding. They had Tomas coming through at that time so I suppose it made the move easier.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1787 - 26/05/2020 23:03:57    2279298

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Replying To sligo joe:  "
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From 2014, Peter Canavan picks the best players he has played with or against, excluding Tyrone players."
Interesting video from 2015, cluxtin not even Peters 3rd choice goalie says a lot. It proves for 14 of his 19 year career the cluck was only an average goalie, good kicker but not a great goalie."
What would Canavan know about keepers? Come on. One mans opinions is wait for it, listen very carefully, just one mans opinion. As my lad would say "who is Canaan?""]I would take Rory Beggan over cluxton any day of the week..cluxton is a fantastic leader in a great side but still would take Beggan.."]You're right, and like I said he's had about 6 good years out of a 19 year career, people have tended to forget all his bad years, who remembers the 5 goals he let in against Meath?"]In fairness when you have the likes of blue nose Whelan and joe brolly on TV shouting from the rooftops about cluxton and leading the circus, it leads to Dublin supporters being blind sighted and hanging off every word about how he could turn water into wine!! Great keeper yes but he hasn't reinvented the game as we're lead to believe..."]Well I suppose Colm O'Rourke and Pat Spillane must be fully paid up members of the blue nose circus as well as they both selected Clucko as a shoe-in on their team of the decade and team of the 21st century respectively. Indeed Spillane is so obviously pro-dub that Clucko is the only Dub on his selection. Hard to understand how Rory missed out!"]They're working for RTÉ as is Tomás O'Sé they're not going to bite the hand that feeds them are they?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10740 - 27/05/2020 07:50:19    2279305

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Jordan was absolutely outstanding, the half back line might be the most competitive area in the entire TSG team. There are just so many wonderful players there.

James McCarthy is up there with all of them. Seamus Moynihan also played his best football there and he might be the best of the entire lot, won All Stars at right half back even though he is remembered as a full back. He was the best wing back in the country by a mile around the turn of the millennium but Kerry were so stuck for a full back that they had to put him back there where he was also outstanding. They had Tomas coming through at that time so I suppose it made the move easier."
My dream team from the last 15 years...
1. Rory beggan
2. Keith Higgins
3. Neil mc Gee
4. James mc carthy
5. Jack mc caffery
6. Lee keegan
7. Philip Jordan
8. Brian Fenton
9. Darragh o Se
10. Paul Flynn
11. Pauric Joyce
12. Sean cavanagh
13. Colm Cooper
14. Micheal Murphy
15. Conor mc manus

mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 244 - 27/05/2020 08:37:21    2279306

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Replying To mick2007:  "My dream team from the last 15 years...
1. Rory beggan
2. Keith Higgins
3. Neil mc Gee
4. James mc carthy
5. Jack mc caffery
6. Lee keegan
7. Philip Jordan
8. Brian Fenton
9. Darragh o Se
10. Paul Flynn
11. Pauric Joyce
12. Sean cavanagh
13. Colm Cooper
14. Micheal Murphy
15. Conor mc manus"
Owen Mulligan, Anthony Moyles, Oisin McConville, Colm O'Rourke, Pat Spillane, all say "Steevo" but it's Rory for you, fair dues, an independent thinker!

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 145 - 27/05/2020 20:59:53    2279356

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Replying To winatallcost:  "No disrespect to players chosen as all are decent players but some of the picks are highly questionable. I am from Meath but surely Martin O'Connell should be chosen in half backline. His record and footballing ability couldn't be questioned not to mention he was selected on team of the millennium. Three O'Se's in the backs is overkill from a Kerry point of view. Mick Lyons surely best full back while Bob O'Malley, Ricey McMenemin or Conor Gormley may deserve a corner-back slot. Ironically probably would have had Darragh O'Se, Tohill, Buckley or McDermott ahead of Fenton who I think has a bit to do. McGeeney surely at center-back ahead of Keegan. Understand the team is picked and voted for online so younger generation would have a stronger vote. Looks like Kerry folk voted in their droves."
"Kerry folk voted in their droves". I wonder.
Michael Sheehy has 8 All-Stars - that's more than 4 of the chosen forwards.
John O Keeffe has 5 All-Stars - no chosen defender has more.
Ger Power has 6 All-Stars - more than any chosen defender (albeit he won most of his All-Stars as an attacker).

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 174 - 27/05/2020 22:04:50    2279361

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