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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "No i dont think the top brass can volunteer their time but I also don't think they should be getting €76,000 or over, not a hope, never."
What do you think would be suitable salary for them then?
Considering how many members the GAA has, the assets it manages, contracts it oversees etc etc

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 968 - 20/07/2020 16:06:27    2284644

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Replying To zinny:  "So you think the people in HQ do the same work as the volunteers in clubs? that they could have other jobs and volunteer to do the work that they are doing right now as well? some people need to get a grip on reality but that seems in short supply down your way."
Can't imagine there's too many from HQ filling water bottles in spilling rain on a dark January night.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 901 - 20/07/2020 18:46:21    2284662

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Replying To KillingFields:  "What do you think would be suitable salary for them then?
Considering how many members the GAA has, the assets it manages, contracts it oversees etc etc"
€40,000 a year maybe €50,000 with a bit of over time.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11005 - 20/07/2020 18:46:53    2284663

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An accountant with a few years experience can earn 40,000.

You want the gaa to find someone to be finance director
of a huge organisation for similar money?

Not possible.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1103 - 20/07/2020 19:37:07    2284667

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "€40,000 a year maybe €50,000 with a bit of over time."
A Luas driver gets paid more than that. And fair play to her or him for getting it.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5716 - 20/07/2020 19:53:18    2284668

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "€40,000 a year maybe €50,000 with a bit of over time."
Then you wont have a well run organisation. That's around the average industrial wage and not near enough for someone who would be managing as large an organisation as the gaa

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 968 - 20/07/2020 20:07:14    2284671

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Replying To Bon:  "Can't imagine there's too many from HQ filling water bottles in spilling rain on a dark January night."
As soon as Padraic Duffy left his job he became a selector with Scotstown, he was on the line when they made the Ulster final. Tom Ryan has the main job now and is treasurer of his own club. Tomas Meehan has another of the big jobs in Croke Park, don't know if he fills water bottles but I don't think anyone can question his commitment to the GAA over the years.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2409 - 20/07/2020 20:35:44    2284675

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Replying To carlovia:  "An accountant with a few years experience can earn 40,000.

You want the gaa to find someone to be finance director
of a huge organisation for similar money?

Not possible."
A report last year said the average salary for a chartered accountant in Leinster is over €100,000. I am fairly certain Tom Ryan is qualified as a chartered accountant.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2409 - 20/07/2020 20:39:47    2284676

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its like buying a shirt , u get what u pay for

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 1831 - 20/07/2020 21:12:09    2284683

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "A Luas driver gets paid more than that. And fair play to her or him for getting it."
40-50 thousand is massive money, the teaoseach gets around 180,000 and he/she would have to run a country.

The average industrial wage is around 35,000 so 40-50,000 is loads considering the majority of the association work for nothing.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11005 - 20/07/2020 21:27:35    2284686

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "40-50 thousand is massive money, the teaoseach gets around 180,000 and he/she would have to run a country.

The average industrial wage is around 35,000 so 40-50,000 is loads considering the majority of the association work for nothing."
It isnt loads considering what the role comprises of.
40 to 50000 isnt at all a lot when you do that
Yes lots in the association are volunteers and do their work for nothing but that is irrelevant to saying the head of the organisation should only be getting 40k
You have sliding scale from director general down and if they're only getting 40k do you really expect all other jobs to have greatly reduced wages as well?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 968 - 20/07/2020 21:31:18    2284687

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Replying To Soma:  "As soon as Padraic Duffy left his job he became a selector with Scotstown, he was on the line when they made the Ulster final. Tom Ryan has the main job now and is treasurer of his own club. Tomas Meehan has another of the big jobs in Croke Park, don't know if he fills water bottles but I don't think anyone can question his commitment to the GAA over the years."
Please don't upset the "HQ is corrupt and evil" brigade by bringing in facts please

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 911 - 20/07/2020 21:46:10    2284688

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "40-50 thousand is massive money, the teaoseach gets around 180,000 and he/she would have to run a country.

The average industrial wage is around 35,000 so 40-50,000 is loads considering the majority of the association work for nothing."
Try rearing 2 or 3 children, paying for a mortgage, a car, maybe two, home insurance, car tax, property tax, car insurance, broadband, TV connection streaming service, gas, electricity, food, drink, house maintenance, childminders, bins, food, drink, holidays, I'm sure I've forgotten other expenses there, on 40 to 50K gross in 2020. You'd be doing very well to manage that and keep the wolf from the door even in a cheap place to live. Mightn't be too bad if you were single.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5716 - 20/07/2020 22:50:59    2284692

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Replying To Breezy:  "Please don't upset the "HQ is corrupt and evil" brigade by bringing in facts please"
I will defend the need to have a professional organization at the top that looks after the running of the association but I find it strange that the president is elected to a role and paid that may not have the qualifications to do the job. If you look at Horans performance during this crisis I believe it has been terrible. The presidents role is odd, its full time but a max of three year term, the last year of which is a bit of I don't want to rock the boat before the other guy gets in. I understand the need for members to believe they have power and voting for the president is one way of doing that but is the current setup delivering value for money. Anyway that won't change so not really worth discussing it.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 803 - 21/07/2020 08:50:26    2284703

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Anyone who considers €40K a realistic salary for running an organisation as big as the GAA is deluded.
Just because it's the GAA doesn't mean the running of it should be seen as some sort of voluntary endeavor. It's a hugely complex and challenging job and it's only right and proper that it is remunerated accordingly. Suggestions otherwise are pie in the sky stuff.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 6867 - 21/07/2020 09:20:23    2284704

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Replying To zinny:  "I will defend the need to have a professional organization at the top that looks after the running of the association but I find it strange that the president is elected to a role and paid that may not have the qualifications to do the job. If you look at Horans performance during this crisis I believe it has been terrible. The presidents role is odd, its full time but a max of three year term, the last year of which is a bit of I don't want to rock the boat before the other guy gets in. I understand the need for members to believe they have power and voting for the president is one way of doing that but is the current setup delivering value for money. Anyway that won't change so not really worth discussing it."
Excellent post and I posted something very semilar last night but my post didn't make the cut I see, ah well.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11005 - 21/07/2020 10:18:17    2284714

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Replying To zinny:  "I will defend the need to have a professional organization at the top that looks after the running of the association but I find it strange that the president is elected to a role and paid that may not have the qualifications to do the job. If you look at Horans performance during this crisis I believe it has been terrible. The presidents role is odd, its full time but a max of three year term, the last year of which is a bit of I don't want to rock the boat before the other guy gets in. I understand the need for members to believe they have power and voting for the president is one way of doing that but is the current setup delivering value for money. Anyway that won't change so not really worth discussing it."
You claim that Horans performance during the crisis has been terrible but what exactly do you object to?

I feel that the gaa have done a great job so I'm curious to see what you wanted to happen instead.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1103 - 21/07/2020 12:41:57    2284745

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Try rearing 2 or 3 children, paying for a mortgage, a car, maybe two, home insurance, car tax, property tax, car insurance, broadband, TV connection streaming service, gas, electricity, food, drink, house maintenance, childminders, bins, food, drink, holidays, I'm sure I've forgotten other expenses there, on 40 to 50K gross in 2020. You'd be doing very well to manage that and keep the wolf from the door even in a cheap place to live. Mightn't be too bad if you were single."
It would be tough enough allright green and red but you'd have to cut your cloth according to your measure,

No1, youd only be able to have 1 child

No2 you'd have to send herself out to work at least part time I'd think.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11005 - 21/07/2020 13:29:22    2284755

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Replying To carlovia:  "You claim that Horans performance during the crisis has been terrible but what exactly do you object to?

I feel that the gaa have done a great job so I'm curious to see what you wanted to happen instead."
Spot on. They have to listen to the advice of health officials. When they were slow to let people back into club grounds even just for walks people complained. Now that clubs are training and playing there are a few COVID cases and people complain. Between the health officials and the GAA the good and bad decisions are made but unfortunately we have social media now where anything is likely to be criticised.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5716 - 22/07/2020 07:06:58    2284822

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Replying To carlovia:  "You claim that Horans performance during the crisis has been terrible but what exactly do you object to?

I feel that the gaa have done a great job so I'm curious to see what you wanted to happen instead."
The GAA announced a suspension of all activities after the government had said that all indoor events greater than 100 and outdoor greater than 500 be cancelled. This was in my view the best thing that they did. However the cynic in me would say it was the only thing they could do as there was no way that they could ensure that this happened at a 500 limit, in addition there were some big inter-county league games coming up and they would lose all the gate.
After that everything went into a lockdown and nothing really happened until Leo went on the Late Late and said he could see the inter country championship being played in July but behind closed doors. Rather than read the signals from the government on the potential easing of the lockdown and focus on a return to play, Horan doubled down and said he couldn't see how games could be played with social distancing in place and all GAA grounds and activities would remain closed until July 20th.
This was also the start of the club v county debate as the press release said counties were asked in the interest of players to suspend training until further notice. This ended up in a complete debacle, was it a rule or not? if it was it was a rule without any sanction and who asked for it anyway. Suddenly club games would start before inter county regardless of if that made sense (in my view it didn't) or would work with government guidelines - having inter county games behind closed doors is very different to thousands of club games.
Yet while the government had released a timeline of the opening of the country the GAA were fixed with a date of July 20 well beyond what the guidelines were and the reason for this - they were being very cautious and putting health and safety first. In the same press release they announced a Covid Advisory group that did not contain one person that was an expert on infectious diseases.
Could it be that while the lockdown was on the GAA actually did no planning for return to play and Horans statements were the confirmation of this? So much for a professional setup - their initial advisory group was made up of GPs and specialists in sports medicine, just because you are a doctor it doesn't mean you understand this virus.
Then we enter into the phases of the GAA where it should be described as, lets pretend we never said that, lets make this all about the club vs county and we will be on the side of the club so that we can distract from the fact we were caught with out trousers down on return to play. Not once has the GAA ever explained its stance other than to say we have to be more conservative then the government. They tried to get the health authorities to say if playing GAA was casual or close contact, despite Horan saying all along it was close contact.
Which brings us to last weekend, (which everyone should be reminded that in the revised phase 3 there would always have been a 200 limit) where Horan goes on the national airwaves to say that the government should give the GAA a blanket approval for 500 per game. Did he forget that the GAA had shut things down completely when it was 500 a game? Was the GAA not the organization that said that they would not open up in the same timeframe as the government allowed, as they were being more conservative and thinking of everyone's safety. The GAA could have went with proposals like Wexford CB did and seek to work with the government on how they could get more than 200 into the bigger stadiums but no, lets hit the airwaves and demand that we have 500 for all games. A sure chance of success.
I don't blame the GAA for being unprepared for the epidemic, what I do blame them for was not working with the government to understand what the end game was and not reacting and creating a coherent return to play plan. As the paid head of the GAA, Horan has to take responsibility for that.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 803 - 22/07/2020 18:05:32    2284890

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