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Replying To carlovia: "Not wishing to get involved in a Munster row but my memory is different.
I remember the other 4 counties threatening to boycott the railway cup if the seeding continued.
Why would Limerick , Clare and Tipp want Kerry and Cork on opposite sides of the draw.
If Kerry and Cork are on the same side this allows the other counties a chance to get to a final." You are correct on this and at a time when Limerick had a very good football team adn the Limerick players did boycott the railway cup.The rule was later changed to give the finalists a bi to the semis but first the rule said Kerry and Cork no matter what happened and the rule passed I think because some traditional hurling counties in Muster did also vote for it too.
And sorry to the Hermit for talking about Kerry but many on here can guess at the moves and motives of the other 5 Munster counties so why cant I try interperate Kerry CB moves?
I wish the best for Kerry next year and would love to see them win JoeMcD
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 28/02/2020 00:07:23
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Replying To bloodyban: "Its Munster and a rest of Ireland at this Stage and I think Leinster are abit sore about the loss of prestige. The Munster Championship is on a different level. And that's not a slight on Leinster. It's just not Hollywood, the way Munster is. Kerry are better off in Leinster where they'd be at a similar level to more teams." i presume you were in ballinspittle in 1985 also?
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 28/02/2020 12:20:45
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Replying To TheHermit: "Those counties voted to have bye's for the semi final based on the final pairings the previous year, they felt there should be a reward for a team making the final, esp if it was one of the other 4.
It's not about keeping Cork and Kerry apart, they can still be drawn against each other in a semi-final as has happened this year when both will meet in the Munster semi final on 24 June.
Again that system was voted in by the other counties as a way of ensuring that a county does not have the prospect of having to play both Kerry and Cork to get to a potential final.
It's a very fair system.
To be honest I always thought it was stupid that the likes of the Ulster championship did not have some reward for the provincial champions or finalists.
It seems daft that Tyrone and Donegal, for example, could contest a final one year and yet be drawn in the preliminary round the next." Yet another topic on hurling turns into a row about football. Isn't there enough topics about football on this forum for you to carry on your rantings.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2446 - 28/02/2020 13:43:53
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Replying To Breezy: "Someone had a good 6+5 system a while back where Kerry would go into a 6 team Munster if they won JoeMcD" I remember poster 'legendzxix' (not on hete for a while ?) with something like this '6+5' -
McD Champ up to increase '5-team Prov' / 6th-team down.
This way, top 5 in each Prov stays up / 11th team drops down / '6-team Prov' alternates between the Provs from one year to the next.
Here, Kerry or Westmeath could play in either Prov, when they go up.
I like it.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 28/02/2020 16:58:19
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Yet another topic on hurling turns into a row about football. Isn't there enough topics about football on this forum for you to carry on your rantings." I'm just responding to ridiculous criticism being thrown at Kerry GAA lad
I'm also not the one who brought up the Kerry's footballers into this debate.
And as someone from a hurling background I've given my two cents on the issue that the thread is centered on.
If Kilkenny were constantly being attacked by posters around here like the Kerry GAA is I wonder would you feel different.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 28/02/2020 18:48:09
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Replying To omahant: "I remember poster 'legendzxix' (not on hete for a while ?) with something like this '6+5' -
McD Champ up to increase '5-team Prov' / 6th-team down.
This way, top 5 in each Prov stays up / 11th team drops down / '6-team Prov' alternates between the Provs from one year to the next.
Here, Kerry or Westmeath could play in either Prov, when they go up.
I like it." Why make it so complicated. Put Kerry in the Munster provincial championship where they belong and 6 teams in 'leinster'. Simple and everyone is happy
Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 28/02/2020 20:26:55
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Replying To TheHermit: "I'm just responding to ridiculous criticism being thrown at Kerry GAA lad
I'm also not the one who brought up the Kerry's footballers into this debate.
And as someone from a hurling background I've given my two cents on the issue that the thread is centered on.
If Kilkenny were constantly being attacked by posters around here like the Kerry GAA is I wonder would you feel different." OK. Point taken. I didn't mean it as a complaint against you personally, it was meant generally.
I'd say about 7 out of 10 topics raised on here are about football; and most of them, from what I've seen, end up in a slagging match between Kerry and the Dubs. It just seems when a hurling topic is raised, it starts out fine, then someone makes a comment about football in passing; and the next thing you know, the topic has been taken over by football.
With regards to Kilkenny being attacked, I have no problem with that (I can hold my own). as long as it stays on topic.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2446 - 28/02/2020 21:01:54
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Replying To TheHermit: "To quote the great Buzz Lightyear, you are a sad strange little man, and you have my pity..." Ya figures you watch buzz lightyear, you whinge just like a child, but then again even kids stop crying after a while.
lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 28/02/2020 21:19:37
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Replying To Ej: "Why make it so complicated. Put Kerry in the Munster provincial championship where they belong and 6 teams in 'leinster'. Simple and everyone is happy" OK, but I suppose the argument goes, how many other teams should join the 'top 9' in SHC Provs ?
Currently, the 1 extra in Lein creates a yo-yo; with 2 extra (1 staying up), you'd have 1 in each Prov (6+5); and with 3 extra you'd have your 6+6, but with 2 extra in Lein (always) and only 1 in Muns (always).
I like the 6+5, as it only slightly dilutes the Provs - and the 'floating entry' to either Prov provides more variety.
Again - anyone, see a 'legendzxix' post lately ?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 28/02/2020 21:53:11
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Replying To lilypad: "Ya figures you watch buzz lightyear, you whinge just like a child, but then again even kids stop crying after a while." Now you made me cry :(
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 28/02/2020 22:07:08
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Kerry should definitely be accommodated in the Munster championship if they get promoted. The current framework with regard to promotion to Leinster vs promotion to Munster is ridiculous.
But just a few things. I remember when Kerry were playing in the Munster Senior championship, I was at some of those games. Kerry took themselves out of the competition themselves (after alot of heaving beatings, apart from 1993), they weren't forced out. The suggestion that the other Munster counties have formed a cozy cartel to keep Kerry out is a little wide of the mark.
Also, with regard to increasing both the Leinster and Munster championships to 6 teams: I'm not saying its necessarily a bad idea, but the impact on the Joe McDonagh should be considered first. Right now, the McDonagh cup is played at a level high enough to allow the top 2 to compete in the AI series proper, at the QF playoff stage. We saw Laois came out with a head of steam last year, and were able to compete with Top 9 teams, due to the level of competition they faced in the McDonagh cup. The competition was great last year, and I'd expect McDonagh attendances to be up this year as a result.
But if you take out the top 2 teams from that group, you dilute the strength of the McDonagh cup. That could call into question whether the McDonagh champs + runners up go on to compete in the AI series. Its a great competition, its not bound by provincial restrictions. Consider the status of that tier, before increasing the number of teams in Munster Leinster.
Also, don't stray from the reality that there are 9 teams at the top level, and a bit of a gap to the rest. Its better to be realistic about where teams are, than contrive a championship based on what should be. Senior teams improve based on what goes on at underage. Have a look at making her U20 championship more inclusive, thats how you'll improve overall competitiveness at senior level. I'd be more encouraged by the performance of Laois teams in the Tony Forrestal cup last year, than anything that happened at senior level, with regard to the counties future status.
Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 28/02/2020 22:19:30
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Replying To lilypad: "Ya figures you watch buzz lightyear, you whinge just like a child, but then again even kids stop crying after a while." It's Toy Story actually lad, and it's from 1995, do the math. Or in your case, find a calculator ;D
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 29/02/2020 00:58:50
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Replying To Ej: "Why make it so complicated. Put Kerry in the Munster provincial championship where they belong and 6 teams in 'leinster'. Simple and everyone is happy" Well Kerry would always be in the top 12 even if they aren't a top 12 team.
It's why the championship should just be organised on a national level.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4203 - 29/02/2020 06:24:14
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Replying To Marlon_JD: "Kerry should definitely be accommodated in the Munster championship if they get promoted. The current framework with regard to promotion to Leinster vs promotion to Munster is ridiculous.
But just a few things. I remember when Kerry were playing in the Munster Senior championship, I was at some of those games. Kerry took themselves out of the competition themselves (after alot of heaving beatings, apart from 1993), they weren't forced out. The suggestion that the other Munster counties have formed a cozy cartel to keep Kerry out is a little wide of the mark.
Also, with regard to increasing both the Leinster and Munster championships to 6 teams: I'm not saying its necessarily a bad idea, but the impact on the Joe McDonagh should be considered first. Right now, the McDonagh cup is played at a level high enough to allow the top 2 to compete in the AI series proper, at the QF playoff stage. We saw Laois came out with a head of steam last year, and were able to compete with Top 9 teams, due to the level of competition they faced in the McDonagh cup. The competition was great last year, and I'd expect McDonagh attendances to be up this year as a result.
But if you take out the top 2 teams from that group, you dilute the strength of the McDonagh cup. That could call into question whether the McDonagh champs + runners up go on to compete in the AI series. Its a great competition, its not bound by provincial restrictions. Consider the status of that tier, before increasing the number of teams in Munster Leinster.
Also, don't stray from the reality that there are 9 teams at the top level, and a bit of a gap to the rest. Its better to be realistic about where teams are, than contrive a championship based on what should be. Senior teams improve based on what goes on at underage. Have a look at making her U20 championship more inclusive, thats how you'll improve overall competitiveness at senior level. I'd be more encouraged by the performance of Laois teams in the Tony Forrestal cup last year, than anything that happened at senior level, with regard to the counties future status." How dare you come on here and make rational and reasoned comments. A GAA forum is no place for that kind of thing
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 29/02/2020 07:20:25
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Replying To lilypad: "Ya figures you watch buzz lightyear, you whinge just like a child, but then again even kids stop crying after a while." When are you going to stop so?
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Leinster will be 6 teams from next year.
No relegation this year and Mcdonagh winners go up.
carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 29/02/2020 17:25:53
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