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Replying To TheRock2121:  "Donegal will win if the teams meet again in the championship with the likes of Mc Menamin, Mc Brearty, Jason Mc Gee, Gallan etc to come back into the starting 15. Saying that Galway are a really good side and can see them beating anyone on their day."
You do realise we had 8 newcomers in that team yesterday...

Galwaymaster9 (Galway) - Posts: 151 - 10/02/2020 12:17:44    2266761

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You are wrong there, McGee got a yellow!! It was either a red or nothing, it was an off the ball high challenge and taking into consideration the players checkered history McQ should have known he did something cowardly, sneaky and illegal. And after this Donegal still got the line ball and in the next play the penalty came. The mind boggles! McQ tried unsuccessfully to level the game with two very dubious "frees" but gladly justice prevailed. By the way it was Campbell who was involved in the mark debacle.

hashtag2017 (Galway) - Posts: 35 - 10/02/2020 12:40:09    2266764

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Only thing for certain is Meath won't be in Div 1 in a few weeks time. Only 1 forward who seems to know where the posts are. Kerry C team will probably beat us the next day out.
From what I saw yesterday, Mayo will have difficulty stayin up as well, very few scoring forwards.
All in all, for all the huff and puff there were 2 poor teams on display.

moylagh (Meath) - Posts: 455 - 10/02/2020 13:21:59    2266775

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Replying To hashtag2017:  "You are wrong there, McGee got a yellow!! It was either a red or nothing, it was an off the ball high challenge and taking into consideration the players checkered history McQ should have known he did something cowardly, sneaky and illegal. And after this Donegal still got the line ball and in the next play the penalty came. The mind boggles! McQ tried unsuccessfully to level the game with two very dubious "frees" but gladly justice prevailed. By the way it was Campbell who was involved in the mark debacle."
From the look of it on TV McGee hit him a shoulder and the Galway player dropped to the ground like he'd be shot.

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 276 - 10/02/2020 13:28:11    2266779

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Replying To greatpoint:  "From the look of it on TV McGee hit him a shoulder and the Galway player dropped to the ground like he'd be shot."
He definitely hit whether it was a shoulder on shoulder or not (looked high to me). The ball was well gone. Now to be fair to all involved generally if Mcgee hits u, u stay hit........so it is a bit crazy to be blaming the Galway players reaction in this instance.

Re Dalys red, i think the ref bottled it. I though it was a straight red rather than 2 yellows. maybe there was a lack of force involved, couldn't be sure but it didn't look great.

Mark issue was ridiculous......

First half was like watching paint dry, second half entertaining. I'd say both teams will be a little concerned about the goal chances they gave up.

Lots of players to come back to both teams but I am very happy with result and aspects of the performance.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1123 - 10/02/2020 14:31:07    2266803

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Replying To hashtag2017:  "You are wrong there, McGee got a yellow!! It was either a red or nothing, it was an off the ball high challenge and taking into consideration the players checkered history McQ should have known he did something cowardly, sneaky and illegal. And after this Donegal still got the line ball and in the next play the penalty came. The mind boggles! McQ tried unsuccessfully to level the game with two very dubious "frees" but gladly justice prevailed. By the way it was Campbell who was involved in the mark debacle."
Settle down man. Ye were blessed to get the win, but good luck to Galway, great to see them firing again. The officials were poor enough for both teams I thought, the umpires in particular.

himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 225 - 10/02/2020 14:32:52    2266804

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Replying To Mayonman:  "He definitely hit whether it was a shoulder on shoulder or not (looked high to me). The ball was well gone. Now to be fair to all involved generally if Mcgee hits u, u stay hit........so it is a bit crazy to be blaming the Galway players reaction in this instance.

Re Dalys red, i think the ref bottled it. I though it was a straight red rather than 2 yellows. maybe there was a lack of force involved, couldn't be sure but it didn't look great.

Mark issue was ridiculous......

First half was like watching paint dry, second half entertaining. I'd say both teams will be a little concerned about the goal chances they gave up.

Lots of players to come back to both teams but I am very happy with result and aspects of the performance."
I'm not blaming his reaction at all, it was certainly off the ball but I think there were worse incidents in the game. Which Galway player was it that caught Ban Gallagher late around the neck near the end of the match? He seemed to know he was in trouble when he stayed on the ground afterwards, but he was substituted and there was nothing done about the incident.

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 276 - 10/02/2020 14:42:48    2266808

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Replying To greatpoint:  "I'm not blaming his reaction at all, it was certainly off the ball but I think there were worse incidents in the game. Which Galway player was it that caught Ban Gallagher late around the neck near the end of the match? He seemed to know he was in trouble when he stayed on the ground afterwards, but he was substituted and there was nothing done about the incident."
That was actually a clash of heads. I can assure you he didn't stay down on purpose. He definitely ran into Eoin Bán and took him out, but part of it was momentum.
On the square ball, we'll never know as we have no wide angle to see where Murphy was when the ball was kicked. However, the green flag umpire did point for a square ball immediately in fairness to him. The other umpire waved the white flag.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 656 - 10/02/2020 15:37:43    2266830

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Replying To moylagh:  "Only thing for certain is Meath won't be in Div 1 in a few weeks time. Only 1 forward who seems to know where the posts are. Kerry C team will probably beat us the next day out.
From what I saw yesterday, Mayo will have difficulty stayin up as well, very few scoring forwards.
All in all, for all the huff and puff there were 2 poor teams on display."
To be fair, it isn't looking good for yous.

The 3 opening games would have looked relatively winnable when the fixtures came out.

2 of Div One's more erratic teams at home and a trip to Omagh where Tyrone don't actually have the absolute most formidable record. To get 0 points from those 3 games spells trouble.

It's a funny old league but it's hard to see Meath winning any of their games on the road and they'll need at least one, if not 2, wins to have a chance of staying up. Still Div 1 football could still bring them on a bit.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12867 - 10/02/2020 19:56:53    2266879

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It was great entertainment in Letterkenny. We even had a clown!!! He was wearing a peaked hat and a Maor Foirne bib with a Galway crest!!

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1569 - 10/02/2020 20:17:43    2266883

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "That was actually a clash of heads. I can assure you he didn't stay down on purpose. He definitely ran into Eoin Bán and took him out, but part of it was momentum.
On the square ball, we'll never know as we have no wide angle to see where Murphy was when the ball was kicked. However, the green flag umpire did point for a square ball immediately in fairness to him. The other umpire waved the white flag."
I would say it was unlikely that Murphy was in the square when the ball was being kicked. What advantage would it be to him? Much more likely that the umpires - and even the ref - do not know the relevant rule. Ignorance of the rules is widespread.

For example, the ref in Kerry/Tyrone seemed to give Clifford a yellow for 'remonstrating with an official'. It should have been a black.

And Tomás O Sé, assistant commentator in the Dublin/Monaghan, showed he was not familiar with the cynical behaviour rules.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 169 - 10/02/2020 20:28:20    2266888

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Replying To Aibrean:  "I would say it was unlikely that Murphy was in the square when the ball was being kicked. What advantage would it be to him? Much more likely that the umpires - and even the ref - do not know the relevant rule. Ignorance of the rules is widespread.

For example, the ref in Kerry/Tyrone seemed to give Clifford a yellow for 'remonstrating with an official'. It should have been a black.

And Tomás O Sé, assistant commentator in the Dublin/Monaghan, showed he was not familiar with the cynical behaviour rules."
To remonstrate with an official is a yellow card offence. One of the hardest part of the referees jobs is dealing with people who don't understand the rules.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2348 - 10/02/2020 21:00:04    2266901

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Replying To Soma:  "To remonstrate with an official is a yellow card offence. One of the hardest part of the referees jobs is dealing with people who don't understand the rules."
5.13 To remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a
Match Official..
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order the offender off by showing him a
Black Card.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 169 - 10/02/2020 21:48:03    2266912

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Replying To Aibrean:  "5.13 To remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a
Match Official..
PENALTY FOR THE ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Order the offender off by showing him a
Black Card."
You didn't mention he was aggressive, and clearly the referee didn't think he was aggressive either. Rule 6.1 says if a player challenges the authority of a referee, linesman or umpire then he should be given a yellow card. It's amazing how many people think they know the rules better than experienced referees who are examined on these things every year.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2348 - 10/02/2020 23:09:33    2266944

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Replying To Aibrean:  "I would say it was unlikely that Murphy was in the square when the ball was being kicked. What advantage would it be to him? Much more likely that the umpires - and even the ref - do not know the relevant rule. Ignorance of the rules is widespread.

For example, the ref in Kerry/Tyrone seemed to give Clifford a yellow for 'remonstrating with an official'. It should have been a black.

And Tomás O Sé, assistant commentator in the Dublin/Monaghan, showed he was not familiar with the cynical behaviour rules."
It's impossible for us to say whether Murphy was in the square or not, as neither of us saw him when the ball was being kicked. Just saying it would be of no advantage to him doesn't point to anything. Lots of players get pulled for square balls when they could easily avoid it. Players make mistakes all the time.
The one man who did see him was the closest umpire, who signalled a square ball at the time. Unless someone has evidence otherwise, his call is the correct one.
We can easily point out mistakes that officials make with the help of replays and video evidence. Plenty of that goes on.
Questioning their decisions we have no evidence to the contrary is another matter.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 656 - 11/02/2020 10:59:10    2267005

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Replying To Soma:  "You didn't mention he was aggressive, and clearly the referee didn't think he was aggressive either. Rule 6.1 says if a player challenges the authority of a referee, linesman or umpire then he should be given a yellow card. It's amazing how many people think they know the rules better than experienced referees who are examined on these things every year."
I concede that you are right. Yellow was correct colour.

Seeing as you are knowledgeable on the rules - I don't mean that to be sarcastic - how about this one.

A player, in possession of the ball, hops the ball and then, without catching it, tips it over the head of an opponent, and then catches the ball (before it touches the ground) and plays on. Has he fouled the ball?

Incidentally, David Clifford did this last year; the ref allowed play to continue.

And, another variation on the above. A player, in possession of the ball, hops the ball and then, without catching it, taps it into the net. Is it a legitimate goal?

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 169 - 11/02/2020 12:48:11    2267041

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "That was actually a clash of heads. I can assure you he didn't stay down on purpose. He definitely ran into Eoin Bán and took him out, but part of it was momentum.
On the square ball, we'll never know as we have no wide angle to see where Murphy was when the ball was kicked. However, the green flag umpire did point for a square ball immediately in fairness to him. The other umpire waved the white flag."
You can acknowledge then that Michael Boyle should have received some form of punishment for as you say taking out Bán Gallagher? It was late and around the neck, nearly two minutes of injury time were used up as a result of it. The Galway replacement keeper should have received at least a black card for his dangerous tackle late on too.

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 276 - 11/02/2020 13:59:47    2267057

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Replying To Aibrean:  "I concede that you are right. Yellow was correct colour.

Seeing as you are knowledgeable on the rules - I don't mean that to be sarcastic - how about this one.

A player, in possession of the ball, hops the ball and then, without catching it, tips it over the head of an opponent, and then catches the ball (before it touches the ground) and plays on. Has he fouled the ball?

Incidentally, David Clifford did this last year; the ref allowed play to continue.

And, another variation on the above. A player, in possession of the ball, hops the ball and then, without catching it, taps it into the net. Is it a legitimate goal?"
The 2nd one is not a goal, if you are in possession of the ball then you can't score a goal with your hands unless playing it on the ground. Even when you bounce a ball you are considered to be in possession.
For the first one I don't know, there are referees on here who know better than me. I'd say if he intentionally flicked it over an opponents head then he should let it bounce before gathering it again.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2348 - 11/02/2020 14:22:13    2267067

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Taught the ref was harder on Galway than Donegal tbh while watching it on tv.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 326 - 11/02/2020 14:51:34    2267075

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Replying To greatpoint:  "You can acknowledge then that Michael Boyle should have received some form of punishment for as you say taking out Bán Gallagher? It was late and around the neck, nearly two minutes of injury time were used up as a result of it. The Galway replacement keeper should have received at least a black card for his dangerous tackle late on too."
Absolutely agreed on both. Ó Beoláin's tackle was much more dangerous than Gleeson's.
Mogan should also have received a sanction for his dangerous hit on McDaid, who ended up with concussion.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 656 - 11/02/2020 16:30:34    2267093

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