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It's difficult for the Meathteam, management and the fans but the gap between Di and D2 is much bigger than people realise. We see teams like Meath, Cavan, Roscommon and Kildare struggle to survive, having earned promotion from D2, It is suggested that playing against stronger teams will bring them on but often it seems their experiences in D1 demoralises them rather than encourages them. I don't know how teams can overcome these transition problems but one sure thing is that unless the promoted team has strength in dept they don't have a hope.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 02/02/2020 19:17:57 2264591 Link 3 |
Even the most optimistic Meath supporter would struggle to find any positives in todays abysmal showing. Playing with a very strong wind in our backs we showed no ambition. every possession had to be funnelled backways/sideways giving Donegal all the time in the world to get their defence set. We are back to our playing style of two/three years ago, coupled with the same lack of confidence and fear of making mistakes. seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2128 - 02/02/2020 19:33:04 2264602 Link 6 |
very true
meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 02/02/2020 19:33:49 2264604 Link 5 |
Good wins for Kerry, Donegal, Dublin and especially Monaghan. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13692 - 02/02/2020 19:35:11 2264605 Link 5 |
Not excusing Meaths performance today but the team is down 7-8 core of last years team. It's the league and all teams are down but Meath are down their 3 free takers (Newman, Lenihan, Walsh); 2 corner backs (Lavin and Gallagher); centre half back (Harnan); Mentons midfield partner for 2019 (Shane McEntee) and as published extensively - goalkeeper. It is a major factor in how Meath are performing. I do think we are still off the pace. But losing the amount of central players has made a difficult task impossible. Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 757 - 02/02/2020 19:38:47 2264608 Link 1 |
Good win today early days and Tyrone will be a different animal come the summer but happy enough with the displays so far particularly given the fact mcmanus has been quiet. The bit of grit the team has shown over the years seems to have come back after the lacklustre 2019 which is good to see as no matter what the football is like thats been usually our calling card. seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1790 - 02/02/2020 19:44:54 2264610 Link 0 |
Was just about to post the exact same thing. I think Meath are in that Roscommon/Kildare/Cavan bracket. On their day, with a full team they're well capable of giving any Div 1 a bloody nose (bar Dublin). Squad depth is a huge thing at Div 1 level though. If a team like Meath is down a few players who ordinarily would be starters, it makes things very difficult and a couple of early league defeats can quickly demoralise and worse disillusion. I don't mean to sound condescending because it wasn't all that long ago we were in the same boat. In today's game I felt you badly needed to bake hay with that wind in the first half, then defend like beavers in the second. But our two goals put paid to that. Once we got the early second half goal it was curtains and I thought we played within ourselves. A great result for us but Galway will be a big step up next Sunday. PJ has them playing good football. They are a big physical team with plenty of pace and lots of quality. Even at this early stage I have them as All Ireland dark horses. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9073 - 02/02/2020 19:54:24 2264614 Link 2 |
Patronising. Thanks. Embarassing performance, I don't agree. Not good currently, yes. But we will improve, or should I say, have to improve. Yes we will most likely be relegated, something I feel most knowlegdeable Meath fans would expect (or should have expected before a ball was kicked). But can we learn? most definietly. I personally just hope we learn quickly, because some of these young players are naive, eager and most importantly inexperienced. But need guidance and confidence. As a Meathman, and loyal realistic supporter, I will keep the faith and belief. We need to believe in ourselves and learn. Yes Meath as a team/squad are probably only a top 12 team, but we need to strive to get up to the top table and then develop again. Our strength in depth is being tested now, so it's how the team and management recoup and evolve from these experiences (defeats). I do think we did some good things again today, like defending as a unit, and tenaciously. We turned Donegal over alot especially in first half. Stopped Donegal shotting from distance, but got ruthlessly punished when we made basis mistakes. Division 1 is definitely not division 2, where we got away with some of these mistakes. On the flip side, we were rudderless and very blunt upfront. Quite surprised really. Okay, the Wallace brothers are quick but ffs can they lift their head when carrying the ball. If they let the ball into Thomas O'Reilly or Cillian O'Sullivan, especially in first half, Meath may have created opportunities. Bryan McMahon seems confidence-less. And the continuing lack of a Goalkeeper, is IMO stemming the problem(s). But embarassing, I feel not. We need to learn quickly and implement these learnings. Development is progress, on a road to success! David (Meath) - Posts: 567 - 02/02/2020 21:05:12 2264659 Link 0 |
Niall kane and Dara Campion are injured also. Kane if fit would be pushing hard to start in the defence, after Campions excellent performance v kerry last year, he would starting or very close to starting. Its not an excuse, we are not good enough at the moment, simple as, and all teams are missing player. But the forwards look blunt, the same way they did v Dublin . If you had forward line of 10 Cillian Sullivan 11 Thomas Reilly 12 Dara Campion 13 Donal Lenihan 14 Shane Walsh 15 Mickey Newman. Its a completely different forward line, its not as blunt as today, all those players can win ball and score. We have pacey small skilful player who can run with ball and create space, but not great at scoring from play, But if you add Campion, Lenihan, Newman and Walsh to the mix up front, its much more dynamic and less blunt, more options upfront. Maybe this year will be a washout league and championship. But having Walsh and Newman back for Galway game hopefully and couple more , it lessens the headache and concern with injuries. Its not an excuse, We are not good enough. If we lose v Mayo, we are on the verge of relegation.Its all about experience and even 1 victory this level with help us later on in the year. Our league could be finished next week in terms of staying in the div. But the year is not . 4 months til championship. 4 months is long time in football. If we go down, we need to use this time as experience a massive learning process. But so far div 1 has being a very tough experience for Meath and with Dublin and kerry away and Monaghan in Clones, a rejuvenated Galway under Joyce and Mayo who need points in Navan, its going get even tougher. At the moment it doesnt look like Meath can break the div 2 team hoodoo, it does look at the moment we are a yo yo team. As someone said above, there is a serious gap between div 2 and div 1. Even though div 2 is a brillant div and the most exciting. Already this year its really being very competitive. But to try and go from 9th or 10th or 11 th best team in the country into the 6 or 7, is a massive task and Meath are failing miserably at the moment at achieving that.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 02/02/2020 21:05:28 2264660 Link 6 |
I think that summed everything really well. A good piece of anaylsis. Just to list the players missing, its not an excuse, we are good enough, simple as, many teams are missing players. But for a div 2 teams thats trying to establish themselves in division 1 its a massive headache and not the ideal situation taking on the best teams and best player in the country. The elite in any sport will hurt you if show any sign of weakenss. Ten Players injured today for Meath Niall kane Dara Campion Seamus Lavin Shane Gallagher Padraig Harnan Mickey Newman Shane Walsh Donal Lenihan Andy Colgan Shane McEntee Thats our goalkeeper, our two corner backs. our centre back, Menton midfield partner last year and our three best forwards and 3 best freetakers and couple of more players also. But we just not good enough. Donegal had players missing they dealt with. Overall so far div 1 has being a very tough experience for Meath and with Dublin and kerry away and Monaghan in Clones, a rejuvenated Galway under Joyce and Mayo who need points in Navan, its going get even tougher. At the moment it doesnt look like Meath can break the div 2 team hoodoo, it does look at the moment we are a yo yo team. There is a serious gap between div 2 and div 1. Even though div 2 is a brillant div and the most exciting. Already this year its really being very competitive. But to try and go from div 2 team into the div 1 team, is a massive task and Meath are failing miserably at the moment at achieving that. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 02/02/2020 21:31:47 2264671 Link 7 |
All teams are missing players, Galway missing Power, Silke, Burke, Molloy, Kerin, Conroy last night, Donegal missing McGrath, McMenamin Gillespie, McGee, McNeilis and McBrearty today, Mayo missing Clarke, Barrett, Keegan, Seamus O'Shea and Cillian O'Connor last night and Dublin missing Cluxton, Fitzsimons, Con O'Callaghan, Cillian O'Sullivan.....
EDH (Galway) - Posts: 367 - 02/02/2020 21:43:56 2264677 Link 1 |
I meant to say we are not good enough in the first line. the line should have been "I think that summed everything really well. A good piece of anaylsis. Just to list the players missing, its not an excuse, we are not good enough, simple as, many teams are missing players." Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 02/02/2020 21:50:07 2264679 Link 6 |
League taking shape now, will be a tight affair. I reckon 5 points will be needed to stay up this year minimum, bit like 2016 when Cork went down on points difference and 4 teams on 6 points mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1042 - 02/02/2020 21:50:55 2264680 Link 0 |
Interesting weekend, the officials took centre stage unfortunately. Mayo/Dublin ruined. Complete farce in Tralee not allowing Mc Daid back on for 12 minutes. Galway must lodge an official complaint. The mark is a disaster also. maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1193 - 02/02/2020 21:55:37 2264682 Link 2 |
If we can beat Galway at home next weekend we'll be in decent shape. It's in Letterkenny though & we have an inexplicably woeful record there. The complete opposite of Ballybofey. Like it's 20 minutes up the road, a large rectangle of grass with goal posts at either end but I think we've only won 2 league games there in the last 13 years. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9073 - 02/02/2020 22:22:24 2264690 Link 1 |
I'm not sure that's fair, it's too easy to say it's the refs fault. The Flynn tackle was around the head he did connect and if you want to start taking player welfare and concussion more seriously then that had to start considering that kind of foul a red. The mcdaid tackle was a black. The 12 mins I believe did include 2 mins injury time so what's the deal. Mcdaid won't do that the next time either.
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 677 - 02/02/2020 22:39:27 2264693 Link 2 |
Mayo Dublin ruined alright. By idiotic tackle by Mayo player. Bellewest (Westmeath) - Posts: 150 - 02/02/2020 22:51:46 2264697 Link 2 |
Have to be happy with a 10 point away win. I felt we had another gear too so that's also pleasing. Niall O' Donnell looks sharp for his first introduction. Some other good performances too from Mc Hugh, Brennan and Murphy. Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 02/02/2020 23:01:17 2264701 Link 1 |
Im not making an excuse. Im just saying its headache for Meath. For a div 2 team trying breaking into div 1 having well over half your first team players injured is not ideal. An proven div 1 teams with missing players have the depth and experience , talent and know how to navigate these issues. For div 2 team trying to break into div 1 football having over well half your first team injured is not ideal and the highest number of players injured in the division is a big concern. Its not an excuse Im just saying its headache , a worry concern for Meath. Lets look using your information a div 1 county player injury list in descending order. For a team coming from div 2 surely not an ideal situation to be in facing the best teans and best players in the country with these injuries. Its not excuse. We are not good enough. Simple as. Dublin 4 Injured- Cluxton, Fitzimoms, Callaghan, Sullivan. Mayo 5 injured - Clarke, Barrett, Keegan, O ' Shea, O Connor. Galway 6 injured - Power, Silke, Burke,Molloy, Kerin, Conroy. Donegal 6 injured - McGrath, McMenamin, Gillespie, McGee, McNelis, McBreaty. Meath 11 injured - Campion, Kane, Lavin, Gallagher, Harnan, Colgan, McEntee, Newman, Lenihan, Walsh, Kennelly. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 02/02/2020 23:55:53 2264711 Link 5 |
Looking at that again. Fitzimoms started for Dublin last night and keegan came off the bench. So a revised injury list would be Dublin 3 injured players, Mayo 4 injured players, Donegal 6 injured players, Galway 6 injured players, Meath 11 injured players. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 03/02/2020 00:09:29 2264713 Link 5 |