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Replying To Green_Gold: "I totally understand your frustration in losing your best minor player but not sure what you are suggesting. Are you thinking these lads should be tied to the club forever because they have been coached by the club? What Cathal McShane is doing is not really much different from some lad travelling abroad for work and better lifestyle. Personally I don't volunteer my time coaching kids to prevent them going on and doing other things in their life, we don't own these lads and they should be free to make their own choices.
As other posters have stated, a bigger issue is the number of top class players opting out of county football because of the demands. Even the demands on club footballers is absurd, training over Christmas and the like." I think this is all a phoney issue and it should be stopped right now. It would sicken you guts lstening to it and I for one am fed up reading about this on these forums- there are more important issues right now to be concerned about such as Brexit, collapse of talks in Stormont, upcoming elections, price of cattle and so on and so forth. NOw please end this discussion fortwith. Thank you.
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Replying To Wally: "I really don't know where to start with this one.
Being a volunteer for your GAA club is not about accepting mediocrity or aiming for more ambitious heights.
Its about being a volunteer. It's means you are there for your club and your community regardless.
Basically your attitude is that if your club has no chance of proper success then there is no point in being part of it. This goes against the entire ethos of our organisation.
Honestly I feel sorry for your club. They would be better off staying away from guys like you.
What sort of message is that to promote with the young people in your club. 'lads its looks like we are going to get relegated this year so just don't bother coming back cause changes of success are now gone. Turn the lights off on your way out'
Also it is not like you lost your best player to another club. He emigrated aboard to play a professional sport. What about the welfare of this player. Surely you would wish him success in life. What if one of your best players decided to take a step back for a few years to concentrate on their career as a barrister or teacher or doctor or engineer. Are these guys then black listed also?" Totally different thing leaving for work reasons wally, and leaving to play that badtardised game down under.
Also what about loyalty to you club and pride of place? The GAA is also built on this premis is it not.
I make no apologies for my views on this situation, or my views on the intercounty situation either.
As far as I'm concerned I'm 100% correct.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 08/01/2020 14:20:31
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Congratulations to your team on winning the intermediate championship its a great achievement to win any championship but there is a big difference between intermediate and seniors.
I have no doubt if my club played the intermediate championship we'd probably most likely win the intermediate allireland but we have higher ambitions than that.
One great player can make a big difference to any club. Why do you think the aussies pay big bucks for these lads.?" Ah here you're just on a wind up now. Is David Clifford not from a junior club?
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9116 - 08/01/2020 14:40:27
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As far as I'm concerned I'm 100% correct.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10146 - 08/01/2020 14:20:31
That should be your epitaph.
How is Australian Rules Football as "badtardised" game? You do know that as a game it's codification actually predates Gaelic Football by a few decades?
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 08/01/2020 14:47:49
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Congratulations to your team on winning the intermediate championship its a great achievement to win any championship but there is a big difference between intermediate and seniors.
I have no doubt if my club played the intermediate championship we'd probably most likely win the intermediate allireland but we have higher ambitions than that.
One great player can make a big difference to any club. Why do you think the aussies pay big bucks for these lads.?" The point is not what grade of championship you are playing, the point is if you are relying so heavily on one player you do not deserve to win a championship. Like I said, at any grade it is not a great player that wins a team a championship it's a great team that wins a championship.
There are game winners on any team Junior through to Senior. Am I right in saying Michael Murphy wasn't playing senior championship or division 1 back when Donegal won AI? Maybe that isn't completely correct I'm not too sure on that one
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Totally different thing leaving for work reasons wally, and leaving to play that badtardised game down under.
Also what about loyalty to you club and pride of place? The GAA is also built on this premis is it not.
I make no apologies for my views on this situation, or my views on the intercounty situation either.
As far as I'm concerned I'm 100% correct." Well I think this is probably the most childish reply i have ever seen.
'I am right and everyone else is wrong. I am now taking my ball and going home!'
But I will entertain your comments one last time.
First of all this is exactly like like leaving for work reasons. They are going to work in another country. That work just happens to be as a professional sports person.
Secondly they are not going to play a bastardised game. This is a stand alone sport in it's own right. It has it's own rules and procedures. You are confusing the AFL with the international rules series.
Thirdly you have the nerve to talk about loyalty to your club and pride of place when you had only earlier today stated that you only volunteer to achieve success. What about your loyalty to your club? Also are you really saying that young fellas should turn down hundreds of thousands of pounds so that they can stay at home and show pride of place lol!
You are wrong on all counts my friend. I have proved that on numerous occasions. A bigger man would have admitted that and moved on.
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Replying To boman11: "The point is not what grade of championship you are playing, the point is if you are relying so heavily on one player you do not deserve to win a championship. Like I said, at any grade it is not a great player that wins a team a championship it's a great team that wins a championship.
There are game winners on any team Junior through to Senior. Am I right in saying Michael Murphy wasn't playing senior championship or division 1 back when Donegal won AI? Maybe that isn't completely correct I'm not too sure on that one" Glenswilly were a junior/intermediate club for years until Murphy, big Neil and a few others emerged. They definitely were senior by 2012 though, in fact I think they won the senior in 2011 for the first time if memory serves me correctly.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9116 - 08/01/2020 15:52:46
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Off the top of my head, the GAA loses more players to the following than AFL:
-Emigration;
-Internal migration to urban centres;
-Burnout;
-Frustration over long delays to games/ endless training;
-Popular rival sports such as soccer, rugby;
-Women, drink and fags;
-Studies/ work commitments;
-Injuries.
It's a shame for Tyrone to lose a top player like McShane, but there's ultimately very little that can be done to prevent him going, short of the GAA going professional, which a lot of people would rightly object to. I'd say the same of Matthew Ruane if indeed the speculation about him going to Oz is true.
A lot of people from my home town emigrated to Oz during the recession years, and it has left an indelible mark there. Whereas Christmases were always busy affairs before, in recent years they have been very quiet, because people based down under generally come back maybe for Christmas maybe once every three or four years. An entire age group has been stripped out of the social fabric of the area.
It's very sad, but Australia offers them a better standard of living than Ireland does, and none of them are top footballers. They have taken an opportunity and the best of luck to them.
Same goes for McShane and the rest of our GAA players. As before, a very small percentage will be offered a contract and a still smaller percentage will make it in AFL long-term.
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Replying To Wally: "Well I think this is probably the most childish reply i have ever seen.
'I am right and everyone else is wrong. I am now taking my ball and going home!'
But I will entertain your comments one last time.
First of all this is exactly like like leaving for work reasons. They are going to work in another country. That work just happens to be as a professional sports person.
Secondly they are not going to play a bastardised game. This is a stand alone sport in it's own right. It has it's own rules and procedures. You are confusing the AFL with the international rules series.
Thirdly you have the nerve to talk about loyalty to your club and pride of place when you had only earlier today stated that you only volunteer to achieve success. What about your loyalty to your club? Also are you really saying that young fellas should turn down hundreds of thousands of pounds so that they can stay at home and show pride of place lol!
You are wrong on all counts my friend. I have proved that on numerous occasions. A bigger man would have admitted that and moved on." I'm not taking my ball and going anywhere wally as far as I'm concerned I'm correct in my views.
Also I'm still volunteering with my club and will continue to do so. I want success for my club and that's a good thing.
I think you're being very naive if you think everyone at every club doesn't want to win a County or allireland championship. How do you think allirelands are won? Do you think we go out having fun and the allireland just falls into your lap coz it doesn't.
Players should put their club first, there is no one starving for want of a few €€€.
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Replying To boman11: "The point is not what grade of championship you are playing, the point is if you are relying so heavily on one player you do not deserve to win a championship. Like I said, at any grade it is not a great player that wins a team a championship it's a great team that wins a championship.
There are game winners on any team Junior through to Senior. Am I right in saying Michael Murphy wasn't playing senior championship or division 1 back when Donegal won AI? Maybe that isn't completely correct I'm not too sure on that one" Would Donegal have won an allireland without Murphy?
Or a better 1, would Derry have won the 93 allireland without Tohill?
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Would Donegal have won an allireland without Murphy?
Or a better 1, would Derry have won the 93 allireland without Tohill?" Exactly that's it. It's great saying we only lose 0.0 whatever percent of players but the players we are losing are the players in the top 1 percent of players in the country and the top 5 percent of inter county. It changes things drastically. If a club who are close to winning a county championship lose their best player then they are much less likely to win the championship, same with county teams.
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Would Donegal have won an allireland without Murphy?
Or a better 1, would Derry have won the 93 allireland without Tohill?" We will never know fella, maybe its a yes maybe its a no. But you know as well as i do that we can never know.. which makes this reply irrelevant
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Replying To Kerry15: "Exactly that's it. It's great saying we only lose 0.0 whatever percent of players but the players we are losing are the players in the top 1 percent of players in the country and the top 5 percent of inter county. It changes things drastically. If a club who are close to winning a county championship lose their best player then they are much less likely to win the championship, same with county teams." 100% and that number will multiply 10 fold over the coming years.
Most rural teams depend heavily on 1 or 2 top players, Glenbeigh Glencar on darran Ó'Sullivan Duagh on Anthony Maher just 2 off the top of my head.
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Replying To boman11: "We will never know fella, maybe its a yes maybe its a no. But you know as well as i do that we can never know.. which makes this reply irrelevant" It a very high probability that they wouldn't.
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Sobering article here regarding the level of dropout from inter county panels. 63 so far for the upcoming season which is higher than I would have expected. GAA can do nothing about AFL poaching but I think they need to start looking very carefully at this.
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "Sobering article here regarding the level of dropout from inter county panels. 63 so far for the upcoming season which is higher than I would have expected. GAA can do nothing about AFL poaching but I think they need to start looking very carefully at this. link"
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As others have alluded to already winning championships is great and all. I was lucky enough to win a couple with my own club, junior and intermediate which I remember fondly obviously. But when I look back over my playing days, finished now sadly :(, it isn't the couple of medals I won that I remember best. It's the camaraderie and friendship built over the years that stands out. Not even just confined to within my own club either.
If you're pushing the agenda that winning senior medals is your raison d'etre for volunteering, then I am sorry. You most certainly are not "100% correct". That is a blinkered, insular and selfish view. The GAA is bigger than all of us. Winning and losing is a part of life. The shared sense of purpose that exists in participating in and supporting your local GAA club will stand you in good stead in life, many miles away from the playing fields.
Yes Cathal McShane will be a big loss to Tyrone. But the world will keep turning and Tyrone will continue to produce good footballers.
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You'd think Kennelly would have known the new rules, that were brought in.
Tyrone have a lot of small inside forwards, McShane gave them a different option.
McCurry, Ronan O Neill shine oi January, in Mckenna Cup, but found wanting later in the year.
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: " Replying To GeniusGerry: "Sobering article here regarding the level of dropout from inter county panels. 63 so far for the upcoming season which is higher than I would have expected. GAA can do nothing about AFL poaching but I think they need to start looking very carefully at this. link" I wonder is the number so high due to the introduction of the B championship Gerry?"
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Replying To Lockjaw: "As others have alluded to already winning championships is great and all. I was lucky enough to win a couple with my own club, junior and intermediate which I remember fondly obviously. But when I look back over my playing days, finished now sadly :(, it isn't the couple of medals I won that I remember best. It's the camaraderie and friendship built over the years that stands out. Not even just confined to within my own club either.
If you're pushing the agenda that winning senior medals is your raison d'etre for volunteering, then I am sorry. You most certainly are not "100% correct". That is a blinkered, insular and selfish view. The GAA is bigger than all of us. Winning and losing is a part of life. The shared sense of purpose that exists in participating in and supporting your local GAA club will stand you in good stead in life, many miles away from the playing fields.
Yes Cathal McShane will be a big loss to Tyrone. But the world will keep turning and Tyrone will continue to produce good footballers." If we were all the same lockjaw life would be very boring, I'm very comfortable with my views on the AFL situation and on wanting my club to win a senior county championship.
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