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Brisbane, that was epic. Fair play to you. Whether people agree or disagree with your comments, you clearly put some time and effort into that post, and it deserves recognition. Reminds me why I started reading these boards in the first place, read other views on things in an enlightening and interesting way.
Thank You.

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 346 - 08/12/2019 22:41:37    2253873

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Replying To TheImmortal:  "It just goes to show that the whole "historical Irish link with Liverpool FC" is pure myth. The growth of Liverpool FC's Irish fanbase in the 70s and 80s is an example of one of the country's earliest sporting bandwagons."
You have to remember which parts (or part) of Ireland this link originated. .

Our "capital city" allowed the British to run Ireland from the GPO, the Customs House, etc.

You can still walk into a pub in Dublin on all ireland final day and they'll be showing rugby or soccer instead of the hurling or football.

You'll find in Ireland that Manchester United are far more widely supported than Liverpool, outside of Dublin.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3711 - 09/12/2019 08:22:42    2253883

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Never gonna be a match their only pitch that could fit a G.A.A pitch are cricket stadiums, how about a league final at Lord's, lol

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 76 - 09/12/2019 11:46:47    2253911

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Jesus we better all support Everton so....I understand the historical origins of both clubs but thankfully most people don't give a crap what religion you are....clubs are international nodays with worldwide support.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 9966 - 09/12/2019 11:50:38    2253914

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I didn't think I'd ever read such intellectual fare on HS!
It's a welcome change from the usual petty personal bickering. Incidentally, I think the Administrators are far too lax in tolerating the latter stuff.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 154 - 09/12/2019 12:12:59    2253921

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Jesus we better all support Everton so....I understand the historical origins of both clubs but thankfully most people don't give a crap what religion you are....clubs are international nodays with worldwide support."
I don't think any of us on here care what religion a person is or discriminate on that basis.

The founders of LFC, however, certainly did!!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3711 - 09/12/2019 12:34:46    2253924

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Replying To cavanman47:  "You have to remember which parts (or part) of Ireland this link originated. .

Our "capital city" allowed the British to run Ireland from the GPO, the Customs House, etc.

You can still walk into a pub in Dublin on all ireland final day and they'll be showing rugby or soccer instead of the hurling or football.

You'll find in Ireland that Manchester United are far more widely supported than Liverpool, outside of Dublin."
There seems to be a suggestion in what you are saying here that it is more patriotic and appropriate for Irish people to support Manchester United rather than Liverpool. Could you elaborate on that please because it certainly is an interesting idea......Dublin as the centre of Britishness in Ireland, Liverpool more supported in "the capital city" (interesting use of quotation marks too -- do you not agree that Dublin is the capital city?) whereas Man Utd far more widely supported outside of Dublin (in what I would presume you would consider "real Ireland" ).

Please tell us more......

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1333 - 09/12/2019 13:41:04    2253933

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lol

You have to laugh at the soccer heads

"Supporting Man UTD is more Irish than supporting Liverpool FC"

FFS...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19818 - 09/12/2019 14:23:34    2253940

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Good friend of mine is a big Liverpool supporter I always give him grief when he says "we" when talking about a British city

He sent me this link and I have to admit that this was a bit of an eye opener and a very informative read, always happy to learn a thing or two

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2019/08/why-liverpool-fans-booing-the-national-anthem-is-a-legitimate-form-of-protest/

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19818 - 09/12/2019 14:33:03    2253943

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "There seems to be a suggestion in what you are saying here that it is more patriotic and appropriate for Irish people to support Manchester United rather than Liverpool. Could you elaborate on that please because it certainly is an interesting idea......Dublin as the centre of Britishness in Ireland, Liverpool more supported in "the capital city" (interesting use of quotation marks too -- do you not agree that Dublin is the capital city?) whereas Man Utd far more widely supported outside of Dublin (in what I would presume you would consider "real Ireland" ).

Please tell us more......"
Tells you all you need to know

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19818 - 09/12/2019 14:33:34    2253944

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Jesus we better all support Everton so....I understand the historical origins of both clubs but thankfully most people don't give a crap what religion you are....clubs are international nodays with worldwide support."
If that was the case loads of people here would be supporting Rangers.Maybe some do now with their beloved Stevie G at the helm.You can't just blot out history.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 606 - 09/12/2019 15:00:59    2253948

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "There seems to be a suggestion in what you are saying here that it is more patriotic and appropriate for Irish people to support Manchester United rather than Liverpool. Could you elaborate on that please because it certainly is an interesting idea......Dublin as the centre of Britishness in Ireland, Liverpool more supported in "the capital city" (interesting use of quotation marks too -- do you not agree that Dublin is the capital city?) whereas Man Utd far more widely supported outside of Dublin (in what I would presume you would consider "real Ireland" ).

Please tell us more......"
It's not more patriotic to support United, no.

Look, the real reason United and Liverpool have such large fan bases here in Ireland is, as pointed out earlier, that both have been hugely successful. They're also the 2 most supported English clubs worldwide for the same reason.

Is it more appropriate for an Irish person to support United? That's not the point I was making, but now that you ask, I would have to say yes.
Liverpool's early links to the orange order are no secret, and that would be enough of a reason for me to not want to see them be successful today. (I don't support united either btw).

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3711 - 09/12/2019 15:07:37    2253950

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Replying To gunman:  "If that was the case loads of people here would be supporting Rangers.Maybe some do now with their beloved Stevie G at the helm.You can't just blot out history."
I find it quite intesting that Liverpool are being branded by fellow Irish people as being anti Irish

Just again going to provide something that was sent to me when I have a go at my Livetpol supporting friend (from Dublin born to Clare parents who are all bonkers for Liverpool FC above any other sporting team including Dublin/Clare)

I give them stick when they say "we" but I'm happy to learn a think or two from them and again found this very informative and it opened my eyes a bit.. had never realised there was such a strong us vs them thing going on, Liverpool is an interesting place in terms of being a Northern city that voted to remain in Europe while a large section of their support boo the natioal anthem and are against the Royal family and conservative party

This is on contrast to some the suggestions being made against them on this thread by Irish soccer supporters

Interesting read below

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2019/11/liverpool-england-and-joe-gomez-the-uncomfortable-truth/

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19818 - 09/12/2019 15:18:22    2253952

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Very interesting thread, a lot of good posts here. To start out, I'm not a soccer fan. I would say that on a superficial level that I would support Liverpool in big matches, or have a passing interest due to visiting there and seeing the Irish connections first hand. The accent nearly sounds like a Dublin accent in parts, it's mad. It has the feel of an Irish town or city. Obviously I would suppport Ireland if they were playing also. I don't really buy the religion argument people, it's yesteryears news. Catholic/Protestant etc, it really isn't a big deal in Sport, or even the western world anymore. Nobody is driven by their identities in the ways they once were, and it's a positive step forward in my view that discrimination and sectarianism is confined to the laughing stocks of society. I'm saying that I'm totally respectful of history. The idea of GAA at Anfield is a harmless one in the year 2019, but it's a fairly premature idea and needs some weight behind it before decisions could be made. I'd be all for it if it had gain for the GAA. It's a growing game, and it's reach extends everywhere the Irish diaspora finds itself.

My overall point is that I'd be in favor of opening up the possibility of integration, the GAA in my view isn't best served by isolationism, although very many people think it is. I feel the obsession with backing oneself into a corner has caused a lot of water under the bridge even in recent years. The idea needs more meat behind it however and it's an interesting debate.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 214 - 09/12/2019 15:48:18    2253961

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Replying To Young_gael:  "Very interesting thread, a lot of good posts here. To start out, I'm not a soccer fan. I would say that on a superficial level that I would support Liverpool in big matches, or have a passing interest due to visiting there and seeing the Irish connections first hand. The accent nearly sounds like a Dublin accent in parts, it's mad. It has the feel of an Irish town or city. Obviously I would suppport Ireland if they were playing also. I don't really buy the religion argument people, it's yesteryears news. Catholic/Protestant etc, it really isn't a big deal in Sport, or even the western world anymore. Nobody is driven by their identities in the ways they once were, and it's a positive step forward in my view that discrimination and sectarianism is confined to the laughing stocks of society. I'm saying that I'm totally respectful of history. The idea of GAA at Anfield is a harmless one in the year 2019, but it's a fairly premature idea and needs some weight behind it before decisions could be made. I'd be all for it if it had gain for the GAA. It's a growing game, and it's reach extends everywhere the Irish diaspora finds itself.

My overall point is that I'd be in favor of opening up the possibility of integration, the GAA in my view isn't best served by isolationism, although very many people think it is. I feel the obsession with backing oneself into a corner has caused a lot of water under the bridge even in recent years. The idea needs more meat behind it however and it's an interesting debate."
I share your outlook on the insignificance of religious beliefs when engaging with our fellow man. Like you say, the vast majority of people in the western world feel the same way.

But the orange order are an organisation who are openly sectarian in their views. And the founding of Liverpool football club was entrenched in that.

I have good friends and immediate family members who support liverpool, due to their success in the 80s and also due to their lack of understanding of where the club started out from.

It's their right, and anyone else's, to support whatever club they want to, and I won't think less of them for it.

But it would prevent me from ever wanting to see Liverpool be successful. And time won't simply erase that.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3711 - 09/12/2019 16:10:25    2253966

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Replying To cavanman47:  "You have to remember which parts (or part) of Ireland this link originated. .

Our "capital city" allowed the British to run Ireland from the GPO, the Customs House, etc.

You can still walk into a pub in Dublin on all ireland final day and they'll be showing rugby or soccer instead of the hurling or football.

You'll find in Ireland that Manchester United are far more widely supported than Liverpool, outside of Dublin."
I doubt you have much evidence to back the claim that Dublin has a disproportionate number of Liverpool fans and I don't see how it matters which English team an Irish man supports but I have to say they are some of the most dedicated supporters of actual Irish soccer teams in the country

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 483 - 09/12/2019 18:51:18    2253998

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Replying To gunman:  "If that was the case loads of people here would be supporting Rangers.Maybe some do now with their beloved Stevie G at the helm.You can't just blot out history."
So your comparing Liverpool to rangers now? Lol
I suppose Celtic better cut their ties with Liverpool because the two clubs and indeed fans seem to share a bond.

Some of ye here really are ridiculous.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 9966 - 09/12/2019 18:54:17    2253999

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Replying To yew_tree:  "So your comparing Liverpool to rangers now? Lol
I suppose Celtic better cut their ties with Liverpool because the two clubs and indeed fans seem to share a bond.

Some of ye here really are ridiculous."
He is. . .how can you not see the similarity!!??

Fair enough, Liverpool (like many english clubs) turned to Ireland to boost their fanbase when money started to filter into soccer, while rangers never did. But their origins are almost identical.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3711 - 09/12/2019 20:49:51    2254018

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