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Replying To Ashrules:  "Mayo's bit of a problem showing how they account for money could be a sign of what is in store for all GAA units county ,Provincial,and national. The trend with funders and donors is that they want to see what is done with money and expect good quality control and Governance.

A lot of Dublin players resent the way the funding imbalance between Counties seems to take some gloss off their massive achievements. They are right in that their involvement is on the field and they are not responsible for accounting.

The disparity between Dublin schools coach funding and the rest of the Country should be highlighted as what it is. i.e a ridiculous example of how no control is exercised over how very large amounts are dispersed."
Every county should publish audited accounts really, in this day an age and when we are talking about multi million organisations its crazy that they dont. at least i cant find audited accounts for every county really.

The fundraising element is fascinating, Mayo have been outspending Dublin in many areas of Senior team prep over some years, Kerry, Donegal as well do really well from fundraising.

Somehow this fundraising is accepted as doing it of your bat and ok, but there are some counties who have a natural advantage over other counties in this regard with a big diasporea, i suppose if you talk about equity you have to point that out too.

This fundraising has become so professional, 3000 Euro plate dinners in top hotels in New York for Mayo and Kerry, ministers dropping by as they just happen to be in the area, sums of 100k's being donated there really needs to be transparency and regulation around the whole area of fundraising in my opinion. Its another financial arm, like GDF, Commercial and sponsorship revenue and their are halves and have nots.

A good start would be every county having to publish audited accounts, im sure every county audits accounts every year.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 27/09/2019 10:50:18    2239586

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I totally agree let's have it all out in the open every penny that comes in and every penny that goes out. The main thing has to be where it came from and who be it individuals or Gaa HQ or sports councils funded by Central government. And then where and who it is paid to. But we must also look under the table and the Dublin table has very short legs. At last you are talking some sence

traleegerry (Kerry) - Posts: 738 - 27/09/2019 12:04:24    2239607

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I can see how the concept of a neutral venue might confuse you really.

I'd also be interested to hear what good memories you had in Thurles? It must have been with yer hurlers coz it wasn't with yer footballers :-0

Also Cork may well beat us as they're at home again and we will undoubtedly be bringing in more young players."
Is it getting better, or do you feel the same ?
Will it make it easier on you now you got someone to blame?

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 27/09/2019 12:48:16    2239616

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How much does a GAA football manager get paid ? What are the current rates ?
I have been coaching GAA for years I think it's time to earn a few bob for my volunteering ?
Last time I was involved in paying a manager it was 100 a week.
Any suggestions ?

IssacBall (Derry) - Posts: 51 - 29/09/2019 06:30:02    2239935

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Replying To IssacBall:  "How much does a GAA football manager get paid ? What are the current rates ?
I have been coaching GAA for years I think it's time to earn a few bob for my volunteering ?
Last time I was involved in paying a manager it was 100 a week.
Any suggestions ?"
You won't find that info very easily as most payments are under the table.

At intercounty, a strength and conditioning coach's salary would typically be published by each county. Find out what that is, and add a bit on for a first team coach who takes training, etc. A lot more then for the manager.

According to various salary surveys, your average strength and conditioning coach makes €30k per annum. Obviously this will be much higher for the top counties. Dublin for example managed to prize Brian Cullen away from Leinster Rugby! So you can imagine the package that would've taken.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 29/09/2019 09:44:22    2239960

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Replying To IssacBall:  "How much does a GAA football manager get paid ? What are the current rates ?
I have been coaching GAA for years I think it's time to earn a few bob for my volunteering ?
Last time I was involved in paying a manager it was 100 a week.
Any suggestions ?"
I don't know legend, there is only one way to find out

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 29/09/2019 12:38:09    2240005

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A neighbouring club is paying €150 a night for a hurling coach - and has had a succession of these outside coaches for the past five or six years. There's serious money on offer for a group of lads "on the circuit" who seem to move from club to club on a yearly basis. It is any wonder that three and four training sessions a week has become the norm?

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 29/09/2019 12:50:59    2240007

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Have to laugh at the Dubs arguing that money doesnt matter. Come up the country and see the difference in facilites, training and medical teams us mere mortals have to utilise to try to now beat the most professional team ever in the GAA. He won one all ireland in 20 years and then you had to even the playing fields as they say. But sure all the Dublin players are a great bunch of lads. And that makes it ok. The most amateur response to a professional problem.

HighStoolBandit (Tyrone) - Posts: 133 - 29/09/2019 13:01:07    2240011

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Replying To HighStoolBandit:  "Have to laugh at the Dubs arguing that money doesnt matter. Come up the country and see the difference in facilites, training and medical teams us mere mortals have to utilise to try to now beat the most professional team ever in the GAA. He won one all ireland in 20 years and then you had to even the playing fields as they say. But sure all the Dublin players are a great bunch of lads. And that makes it ok. The most amateur response to a professional problem."
It is quite funny to be fair. If it makes no difference why do they keep taking it every year?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 29/09/2019 14:09:16    2240027

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Replying To football first:  "A neighbouring club is paying €150 a night for a hurling coach - and has had a succession of these outside coaches for the past five or six years. There's serious money on offer for a group of lads "on the circuit" who seem to move from club to club on a yearly basis. It is any wonder that three and four training sessions a week has become the norm?"
So on average it would be 3 sessions a week, so that's €450 a week & on average it would be 35 weeks a year, so that's €15,750 for 35 weeks, no tax paid as it's all slipped under the counter & rarely declared. Massive sum of money ! That's on average €50 an hour. More than likely he is given a phone also & all gear needed for the role. Thats a whopping amount of money & when replicated across thousands of Clubs across the country, a massive loss in taxes to the exchequer. It's been hard to watch a guy who earns a six figure salary with company car come in & train a team & demand 10,000 cash plus a phone with all calls paid, training lads, some of whom have no job yet show up to play & a guy creaming it. It's soul destroying for other club coaches & fund raising volunteers, to watch this guy come in & take the hard earned cash, usually win nothing & be gone out the door to another club next year. It is a cancer within the GAA which they have avoided dealing with. One of the reasons for avoidance is that there are many high profile names, some even at the top level in Irish society. Time for Revenue to step in & sort out these pariahs, it can only be for the benefit of clubs.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 29/09/2019 16:07:29    2240047

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Replying To HighStoolBandit:  "Have to laugh at the Dubs arguing that money doesnt matter. Come up the country and see the difference in facilites, training and medical teams us mere mortals have to utilise to try to now beat the most professional team ever in the GAA. He won one all ireland in 20 years and then you had to even the playing fields as they say. But sure all the Dublin players are a great bunch of lads. And that makes it ok. The most amateur response to a professional problem."
Like Gervaghy you mean ?

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 29/09/2019 16:41:22    2240050

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There is some amount of ignorance on here in relation to the facilities and privileges that the Dublin players have. It's obvious these posters have no clue about where or how these guys train and prepare.
You're probably some of the same lads McStay referred to recently.
Ignorant , opinionated and idle.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 29/09/2019 16:49:51    2240055

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Replying To moc.dna:  "So on average it would be 3 sessions a week, so that's €450 a week & on average it would be 35 weeks a year, so that's €15,750 for 35 weeks, no tax paid as it's all slipped under the counter & rarely declared. Massive sum of money ! That's on average €50 an hour. More than likely he is given a phone also & all gear needed for the role. Thats a whopping amount of money & when replicated across thousands of Clubs across the country, a massive loss in taxes to the exchequer. It's been hard to watch a guy who earns a six figure salary with company car come in & train a team & demand 10,000 cash plus a phone with all calls paid, training lads, some of whom have no job yet show up to play & a guy creaming it. It's soul destroying for other club coaches & fund raising volunteers, to watch this guy come in & take the hard earned cash, usually win nothing & be gone out the door to another club next year. It is a cancer within the GAA which they have avoided dealing with. One of the reasons for avoidance is that there are many high profile names, some even at the top level in Irish society. Time for Revenue to step in & sort out these pariahs, it can only be for the benefit of clubs."
Absolutely! Now, imagine if clubs put that money into developing their own underage structures and educating a group if internal, volunteer coaches??

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 29/09/2019 17:59:53    2240070

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "There is some amount of ignorance on here in relation to the facilities and privileges that the Dublin players have. It's obvious these posters have no clue about where or how these guys train and prepare.
You're probably some of the same lads McStay referred to recently.
Ignorant , opinionated and idle."
Doubt there is to be honest, just the usual trolls with a few different accounts to use when they get ignored.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 29/09/2019 19:08:48    2240080

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Doubt there is to be honest, just the usual trolls with a few different accounts to use when they get ignored."
I'm sure that's the case alright.
I would wonder however just where else these individuals are also posting rubbish and purely for the purpose of having something to say without actually having any knowledge.
Mostly mindless gobsh1tes.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 29/09/2019 21:08:16    2240123

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Like Gervaghy you mean ?"
So the GAA give Tyrone £1.6 million after decades of under development for whatever reasons. The people of Tyrone raised £3.75 million to get Garvaghey off the ground. Your point being?

HighStoolBandit (Tyrone) - Posts: 133 - 29/09/2019 22:40:05    2240166

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Replying To Donegalman:  "Meath were financially very well looked after in the 90s."
Yeah apparently they got 25 million from the GAA and Bertie Ahern. And a few steaks from Kepak too!

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1316 - 29/09/2019 22:41:52    2240167

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Replying To HighStoolBandit:  "So the GAA give Tyrone £1.6 million after decades of under development for whatever reasons. The people of Tyrone raised £3.75 million to get Garvaghey off the ground. Your point being?"
The point is, and I would have thought it was fairly obvious, is that you complain about facilities while you have one of the best in the country.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 30/09/2019 10:11:09    2240215

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Every county should publish audited accounts really, in this day an age and when we are talking about multi million organisations its crazy that they dont. at least i cant find audited accounts for every county really.

The fundraising element is fascinating, Mayo have been outspending Dublin in many areas of Senior team prep over some years, Kerry, Donegal as well do really well from fundraising.

Somehow this fundraising is accepted as doing it of your bat and ok, but there are some counties who have a natural advantage over other counties in this regard with a big diasporea, i suppose if you talk about equity you have to point that out too.

This fundraising has become so professional, 3000 Euro plate dinners in top hotels in New York for Mayo and Kerry, ministers dropping by as they just happen to be in the area, sums of 100k's being donated there really needs to be transparency and regulation around the whole area of fundraising in my opinion. Its another financial arm, like GDF, Commercial and sponsorship revenue and their are halves and have nots.

A good start would be every county having to publish audited accounts, im sure every county audits accounts every year."
Mayo spent 500,000 on catering and 600,000 on mileage out of 1.4m spent in 2016.

Dubs don't have to pay mileage and their catering is sponsored.

Then they're given extra money on top of it all.

Absolutely fascinating isn't it.

jonjon (Mayo) - Posts: 99 - 30/09/2019 10:52:51    2240235

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Replying To jonjon:  "Mayo spent 500,000 on catering and 600,000 on mileage out of 1.4m spent in 2016.

Dubs don't have to pay mileage and their catering is sponsored.

Then they're given extra money on top of it all.

Absolutely fascinating isn't it."
What do you make of the Mayo players training and night out in New York that cost approx 67k jonjon?
$52k paid by the Mayo fundraising foundation for their training camp in Rocklands with a further $15k towards a team meal and a night out!!!
Must have been some night.

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 30/09/2019 11:42:10    2240254

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