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Replying To Pikeman96: "Can I butt in with a hurling question? If a player throws the ball to the ground in front of him to get past an opponent, and then strikes the ball from the ground, is that a foul? If it was a team-mate who ends up striking the ball instead, it would be seen as a throw pass rather than a handpass, and so a free would be awarded against them. But what if the player throws the ball the same way and then hits the ball himself?" It is a foul to throw the ball in any circumstances. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 06/09/2019 14:24:36 2233313 Link
Replying To Kurt_Angle: "It only appears that a player, who was in possession of the ball, may score a goal if: 1.2 Exception ii) Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by so doing However, in a Dublin v Armagh league game in 2011 (if memory serves), Bernard Brogan had possession and appeared to bounce the ball into the net. I think he had miscontrolled the ball before doing so but its not dissimilar to a player bouncing the ball, then punching it to the net as was previously questioned. I was surprised it stood at the time as it appeared to contravene the rule for scoring and didn't meet the criteria for the above exception." The crucial difference is that he miscontrolled it and therefore would not be deemed to be in possesion of the ball. It would have for the referee to decide if he was in posession of the ball when he struck it to the net Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 06/09/2019 14:40:03 2233319 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "Here is another tricky one. If a player hops the ball and, without catching it, tips it over the head of an opponent, and catches it again before it hits the ground, has the player fouled the ball? BTW, David Clifford did this v Cork in June." No foul Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 06/09/2019 14:42:05 2233320 Link
Finally, and this one is a little less tricky. A player hops the ball once, catches it and then hops it again but does not catch it. Has he commited a foul? I have seen the 3 of these issues - see above - cause a near-riot in a pub. Answers will be provided later. But let's see what posters think first. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 06/09/2019 15:50:20 2233332 Link
Isn't it about being in control/possesion of the ball as well? I remember a Leitrim county final in the 90's where a player bounced the ball, stumbled forward and flicked it into the net for a goal as it came up. He seemed to have lost control. The ref disallowed it. Very controversial and I heard an All-Star player say the goal should have stood at the time. Another one was the James McCartan 1994 versus Derry where he basketball bounced it with one hand to gain control and score a sublime point. Seen Longford play Leitrim in a league game where this happened a load of times. Each time the ref penalised both counties for the exact thing McCartan done. I felt in McCartans case he was trying to gain control of the ball and was justified. Grey_Wolf (Leitrim) - Posts: 235 - 06/09/2019 16:09:36 2233338 Link
Replying To Sindar: "Are you off your rocker? Why have you wondered about this so much? I don't know where to begin to explain how riduclous that is. About 50 restarts in a game with a minute taken to get everyone into position is enough to knock that one flat on the head!! What could it possibly add to the game?" Ime not off my rocker, as people who apparently love rugby, one of the slowest ball games I have ever witnessed, have notroiously long restart methods/rules...me excluded everyone thinks its a great game!!!..of course it wouldnt work.. Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 06/09/2019 16:11:46 2233339 Link
Replying To Bon: "Callanan got away with it a few times this year!!" And that's one of the reasons why I'm asking! :) Consider this one - https://www.gaa.ie/gaa-now/seamus-callanan-goal-x9406/ If the ball had gone another yard or so away from him, and the number 8 (is it Michael Breen?) had struck it instead, it should be given as a throw pass and a free out. So what makes it okay for a player to basically throw it to himself, when he can't throw it the same way to anybody else? Should the goal here have been allowed at all? By the way, am not having a dig at Callanan, and have no gripe about this match in particular. Am just using it to illustrate a point. Saw something similar in a club match recently, except the "throw" was a good five yards, instead of the one or two that Callanan did here. But yer man didn't score in the club game....it happened well out the field....so there was no big hullaballoo about it. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2245 - 06/09/2019 16:15:00 2233340 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "Finally, and this one is a little less tricky. A player hops the ball once, catches it and then hops it again but does not catch it. Has he commited a foul? I have seen the 3 of these issues - see above - cause a near-riot in a pub. Answers will be provided later. But let's see what posters think first." Jaysus - I'm not surprised. There's no room for a game of football inside a pub. Somebody's drink is bound to get spilled. lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 06/09/2019 16:17:32 2233341 Link
Throwing the ball in after every score would just encourage stupid soccer-style choreographed celebrations. lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 06/09/2019 16:18:56 2233342 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "Finally, and this one is a little less tricky. A player hops the ball once, catches it and then hops it again but does not catch it. Has he commited a foul? I have seen the 3 of these issues - see above - cause a near-riot in a pub. Answers will be provided later. But let's see what posters think first." My interpretation would be he has fouled the ball once he hops it the second time. Once the ball hits the ground the foul has occurred and a free given. Had he unintentionally dropped the ball he has lost possession and no foul TheDigger (USA) - Posts: 84 - 06/09/2019 16:21:04 2233343 Link
Replying To midlands: "No" So a player can pass the ball over the head of an opponent, allow it to bounce off the ground, then gather possession again. Why is the ground a break in possession in this scenario but not in a scoring scenario? TheDigger (USA) - Posts: 84 - 06/09/2019 16:23:18 2233344 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "Finally, and this one is a little less tricky. A player hops the ball once, catches it and then hops it again but does not catch it. Has he commited a foul? I have seen the 3 of these issues - see above - cause a near-riot in a pub. Answers will be provided later. But let's see what posters think first." I reckon that not only is this not a foul, but he'd actually even be allowed to dribble it basketball-style for as far as he could manage, so long as he didn't catch it a second time. Could be wrong, though. Am very much a hurling man more than a football one..... Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2245 - 06/09/2019 16:27:17 2233345 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "Finally, and this one is a little less tricky. A player hops the ball once, catches it and then hops it again but does not catch it. Has he commited a foul? I have seen the 3 of these issues - see above - cause a near-riot in a pub. Answers will be provided later. But let's see what posters think first." What did the player do with the ball when he bounced it the second time? achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 562 - 06/09/2019 16:44:05 2233347 Link
Replying To achara: "What did the player do with the ball when he bounced it the second time?" Nothing. He did not touch it in any way. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 06/09/2019 16:54:41 2233351 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "If a player hops the ball, but instead of catching it punches it to the net should the goal be allowed?" I'd imagine if he didn't catch the hop and just belted it with his fist as it bounced up it would be a score?. The_Fonz (Westmeath) - Posts: 213 - 07/09/2019 01:08:26 2233402 Link
Replying To TheDigger: "So a player can pass the ball over the head of an opponent, allow it to bounce off the ground, then gather possession again. Why is the ground a break in possession in this scenario but not in a scoring scenario?" No, he does not "allow it to bounce off the ground". He catches it in the air. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 07/09/2019 11:03:33 2233421 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "Finally, and this one is a little less tricky. A player hops the ball once, catches it and then hops it again but does not catch it. Has he commited a foul? I have seen the 3 of these issues - see above - cause a near-riot in a pub. Answers will be provided later. But let's see what posters think first." A player can legally hop the ball several times once he doesn't catch it. John Galvin of Limerick used to do this regularly and very effectively. Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 943 - 10/09/2019 20:22:44 2234190 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "Finally, and this one is a little less tricky. A player hops the ball once, catches it and then hops it again but does not catch it. Has he commited a foul? I have seen the 3 of these issues - see above - cause a near-riot in a pub. Answers will be provided later. But let's see what posters think first." No foul. Consider the rulebook definition of a hop or 'bounce' as it's called in the rulebook. 1. BOUNCE For a player who has caught the ball to play the ball against the ground with his hand(s) and to catch it on return to his hand(s) again. [/I] So, if he does not catch the ball again he has not completed a second hop/bounce and has not fouled the ball. He can, of course, now fist or kick the ball. I have seen referees blow for this; they are wrong. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 11/09/2019 05:44:43 2234274 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "If a player hops the ball, but instead of catching it punches it to the net should the goal be allowed?" The goal would be a legitimate goal. A hop/bounce is only completed when the player catches the ball. This is in accordance with the definition of a hop/bounce: For a player who has caught the ball to play the ball against the ground with his hand(s) and to catch it on return to his hand(s) again. Accordingly, the player is NOT 'deemed to be in possession of the ball' unless he catches it and is free to punch or kick it away - even into the net. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 11/09/2019 05:56:39 2234275 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "Here is another tricky one. If a player hops the ball and, without catching it, tips it over the head of an opponent, and catches it again before it hits the ground, has the player fouled the ball? BTW, David Clifford did this v Cork in June." No foul. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 11/09/2019 05:59:46 2234276 Link