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Just wondering if a player was to hand pass the ball in either football or hurling in the direction of the ground, hitting the ground before crossing the goal line, would the goal stand? TheDigger (USA) - Posts: 84 - 06/09/2019 03:39:41 2233190 Link
Replying To TheDigger: "Just wondering if a player was to hand pass the ball in either football or hurling in the direction of the ground, hitting the ground before crossing the goal line, would the goal stand?" No midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 542 - 06/09/2019 09:03:01 2233212 Link
No hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 377 - 06/09/2019 09:25:10 2233220 Link
Got me thinking about a somewhat related scenario.... If a player executes a hand pass point attempt, but the ball rebounds from the crossbar back to him, Can he then palm it into the goal (as if passed to him from another player)? TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 193 - 06/09/2019 10:06:17 2233234 Link
Replying To TearsIn85: "Got me thinking about a somewhat related scenario.... If a player executes a hand pass point attempt, but the ball rebounds from the crossbar back to him, Can he then palm it into the goal (as if passed to him from another player)?" these "palmed" goals should be dissalowed, they are a scandalous looking score..I must admit I have seen the odd palmed goal that looked somewhat a "good" score, but in the main they are blanket attackers drawing defenders and to palm the ball into the empty net looks shocking...the high ball into the square where the forward out jumps his man and flicks to the net is different and I would put up with...the handfisted point should be next in the line then to abolish, how a player (FOOTball player) can run 30/40 yards or more with a ball and then "fist"/handpass it over the bar...thirdly...once the keeper plays out the ball, either long or short resuming play after a wide or a score or a free, the defender should not be allowed play the ball back to the keeper, sometimes multiple times before progressing up the field...people will say "there is no rule saying you cant"..I know there isnt but personally, just my view, I think there should be..playing keep ball (running down clock in injury time) shoud result in restart at midfield by throwing up the ball...hard to implement maybe but worth looking at...again, only my views..dont get excited anyone:) Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 06/09/2019 10:53:25 2233246 Link
Replying To Fairplayalways: "these "palmed" goals should be dissalowed, they are a scandalous looking score..I must admit I have seen the odd palmed goal that looked somewhat a "good" score, but in the main they are blanket attackers drawing defenders and to palm the ball into the empty net looks shocking...the high ball into the square where the forward out jumps his man and flicks to the net is different and I would put up with...the handfisted point should be next in the line then to abolish, how a player (FOOTball player) can run 30/40 yards or more with a ball and then "fist"/handpass it over the bar...thirdly...once the keeper plays out the ball, either long or short resuming play after a wide or a score or a free, the defender should not be allowed play the ball back to the keeper, sometimes multiple times before progressing up the field...people will say "there is no rule saying you cant"..I know there isnt but personally, just my view, I think there should be..playing keep ball (running down clock in injury time) shoud result in restart at midfield by throwing up the ball...hard to implement maybe but worth looking at...again, only my views..dont get excited anyone:)" A big yes to banning the pass back to the goalkeeper in football. It's terrible to watch, and should be punished with a 20 metre free in front of the posts. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 06/09/2019 11:25:57 2233254 Link
Teams should not be allowed to score goals against Cavan. It's terrible to see and I cringe everytime it happens. The rules should be tweaked. Also there's no sweeter sight in the game as a Cavan man burying a goal, should be encouraged more. I say a Cavan goal should be six points, maybe even nine. Worth considering. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12118 - 06/09/2019 11:34:14 2233256 Link
Replying To Breffni39: "Teams should not be allowed to score goals against Cavan. It's terrible to see and I cringe everytime it happens. The rules should be tweaked. Also there's no sweeter sight in the game as a Cavan man burying a goal, should be encouraged more. I say a Cavan goal should be six points, maybe even nine. Worth considering." I'll back you on that motion. Once it is also applied to Meath :) royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 06/09/2019 11:44:43 2233258 Link
If a player hops the ball, but instead of catching it punches it to the net should the goal be allowed? Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 06/09/2019 12:01:32 2233261 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "If a player hops the ball, but instead of catching it punches it to the net should the goal be allowed?" No, I would suggest. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 06/09/2019 12:13:51 2233262 Link
Replying To realdub: "No, I would suggest." I often wondered if a game should be restarted fully in the middle of the field after a score or a wide, for example the attacking team have got a score, secondly the ball is still in the half where the score occurred, so the advantage technically is still with the team that scored..restarting fully from midfield with a throw in will also do away with short kick outs, keep ball in defence, and the team who has conceded, have an equal opportunity to win back posession same as at start of game, giving a kick out where it is going to take nearly 2 minutes if they are lucky to work the ball out the field is no advantage, as for fear of loosing posession, the kicking out team will slow down play with "keep ball" tactics....time limit on taking a free should also be introduced (Dean Rock) again no rule against it doesnt mean its right/correct...finally this time, awarding a free to a forward in one spot, the free kick taker opts to take it from the hands and stands where the free occurred but takes two steps back, loops around in a ring, and runs about 6 more paces over infront of the goal before kicking (Colm Cooper)... Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 06/09/2019 12:51:53 2233274 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "I'll back you on that motion. Once it is also applied to Meath :)" Count me in too. Same rule applies to Offaly. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 06/09/2019 13:08:09 2233284 Link
Replying To Fairplayalways: "I often wondered if a game should be restarted fully in the middle of the field after a score or a wide, for example the attacking team have got a score, secondly the ball is still in the half where the score occurred, so the advantage technically is still with the team that scored..restarting fully from midfield with a throw in will also do away with short kick outs, keep ball in defence, and the team who has conceded, have an equal opportunity to win back posession same as at start of game, giving a kick out where it is going to take nearly 2 minutes if they are lucky to work the ball out the field is no advantage, as for fear of loosing posession, the kicking out team will slow down play with "keep ball" tactics....time limit on taking a free should also be introduced (Dean Rock) again no rule against it doesnt mean its right/correct...finally this time, awarding a free to a forward in one spot, the free kick taker opts to take it from the hands and stands where the free occurred but takes two steps back, loops around in a ring, and runs about 6 more paces over infront of the goal before kicking (Colm Cooper)..." Are you off your rocker? Why have you wondered about this so much? I don't know where to begin to explain how riduclous that is. About 50 restarts in a game with a minute taken to get everyone into position is enough to knock that one flat on the head!! What could it possibly add to the game? Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 06/09/2019 13:11:51 2233285 Link
Replying To Fairplayalways: "I often wondered if a game should be restarted fully in the middle of the field after a score or a wide, for example the attacking team have got a score, secondly the ball is still in the half where the score occurred, so the advantage technically is still with the team that scored..restarting fully from midfield with a throw in will also do away with short kick outs, keep ball in defence, and the team who has conceded, have an equal opportunity to win back posession same as at start of game, giving a kick out where it is going to take nearly 2 minutes if they are lucky to work the ball out the field is no advantage, as for fear of loosing posession, the kicking out team will slow down play with "keep ball" tactics....time limit on taking a free should also be introduced (Dean Rock) again no rule against it doesnt mean its right/correct...finally this time, awarding a free to a forward in one spot, the free kick taker opts to take it from the hands and stands where the free occurred but takes two steps back, loops around in a ring, and runs about 6 more paces over infront of the goal before kicking (Colm Cooper)..." Throwing the ball in after every score would take an absolute age. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 06/09/2019 13:13:51 2233287 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "If a player hops the ball, but instead of catching it punches it to the net should the goal be allowed?" "should" or "would"? Should is an opinion. I can tell you that the goal would not be allowed because the player is deemed to be in possession of the ball even when hoping it and you cannot score a goal with the hand when in possession. Rule 3.1 if you want to look it up Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 06/09/2019 13:17:44 2233290 Link
Replying To Sindar: ""should" or "would"? Should is an opinion. I can tell you that the goal would not be allowed because the player is deemed to be in possession of the ball even when hoping it and you cannot score a goal with the hand when in possession. Rule 3.1 if you want to look it up" It only appears that a player, who was in possession of the ball, may score a goal if: 1.2 Exception ii) Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by so doing However, in a Dublin v Armagh league game in 2011 (if memory serves), Bernard Brogan had possession and appeared to bounce the ball into the net. I think he had miscontrolled the ball before doing so but its not dissimilar to a player bouncing the ball, then punching it to the net as was previously questioned. I was surprised it stood at the time as it appeared to contravene the rule for scoring and didn't meet the criteria for the above exception. Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 06/09/2019 13:52:50 2233298 Link
Can I butt in with a hurling question? If a player throws the ball to the ground in front of him to get past an opponent, and then strikes the ball from the ground, is that a foul? If it was a team-mate who ends up striking the ball instead, it would be seen as a throw pass rather than a handpass, and so a free would be awarded against them. But what if the player throws the ball the same way and then hits the ball himself? Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2245 - 06/09/2019 14:08:51 2233303 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "Throwing the ball in after every score would take an absolute age." it shouldnt necessarily, everyone gets back in position, (like being offside in soccer from kick off even after a score for example) I know there are more scores in football so it would be more frequent...it would revert football to more of man on man 15 V15 as opposed to the 13 men behind the ball etc..everyone must revert back to a 3-3-2-3-3...your right though, it wouldnt work... Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 06/09/2019 14:09:51 2233304 Link
Here is another tricky one. If a player hops the ball and, without catching it, tips it over the head of an opponent, and catches it again before it hits the ground, has the player fouled the ball? BTW, David Clifford did this v Cork in June. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 06/09/2019 14:20:20 2233311 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "Can I butt in with a hurling question? If a player throws the ball to the ground in front of him to get past an opponent, and then strikes the ball from the ground, is that a foul? If it was a team-mate who ends up striking the ball instead, it would be seen as a throw pass rather than a handpass, and so a free would be awarded against them. But what if the player throws the ball the same way and then hits the ball himself?" Callanan got away with it a few times this year!! Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1908 - 06/09/2019 14:20:55 2233312 Link