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Replying To TheHermit: "The past week has been dominated by one main narrative - which team has learned the most and who has most to improve on.
The prevailing "wisdom" is that a young Kerry side had a Dublin team that didn't perform (and were a man down) on the ropes and let them off the hook. Hence they blew their chance and Dublin won't be as bad again.
But, given the idiosyncrasies of Gaelic games it's probably easier to recall a match where a team with 14 men actually lost a game than one their opponents won. For whatever reason being a man up rarely if ever translates to victory.
I'd be hopeful that last Sunday witnessed the turning of the tide, Dublin impressively refused to be beaten but could that be the last sting of a dying September wasp?
Despite the huge amount of self-confidence and self-belief every Kerry player is brought up to possess, in the back of their minds these young lads must have wondered if the media and experts were right - if this Dublin side was truly unbeatable in Croke Park. Last Sunday proved to them that they are every bit as good as Dublin, it shows the League game hinted at the real balance between both sides. Once they've got over the disappointment of the draw they will surely be hugely confident they can now finish the job.
Remember in 5 previous meetings now the tally stands at Kerry 2W 2Draws 1Defeat
People are saying key Dublin players didn't perform - yes but isn't it more the case they weren't let perform?
On the other hand three of Kerry's main forwards left their scoring boots behind them.
So who really has most capacity for improvement - for me it's Kerry.
The way some people are going on about Dublin being down to 14 men, it's as if Cooper's sending off was some miscarriage of justice. He couldn't handle Clifford and fouled him enough to be shown the line and what evidence is there he will be able to next Saturday?
Dublin are in big trouble at the back, Gavin doesn't trust his bench options for there and if the Kerry forwards play to their potential they could be ripped to shreds.
In saying all the above, finals take on a life of their own and Dublin are still justifiably favorites. But I think a lot more Kerry people are coming up next Saturday in belief rather than hope as opposed to last weekend.
And for us Kerry posters it will be funny to sit back and watch this forum go into meltdown if Kerry manage to pull off Mission Impossible II. Nothing seems to enrage the WUMs and Trolls more than the Kingdom winning matches :D" There'll be no meltdown, only congratulations on what would a huge achievement, even if you are Kerry, and that's all you need to know about Dublin's position in today's game.
They'll still go down as greats one way or the other.
I'm genuinely worried about Saturday. I think Kerry will bring it again, I'm just hoping that we've been astute students and studied hard to see where we can be better.
But on an encouraging note, they'll not give up, I think that's clear for all to see.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 08/09/2019 22:15:11
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Replying To TheHermit: "The past week has been dominated by one main narrative - which team has learned the most and who has most to improve on.
The prevailing "wisdom" is that a young Kerry side had a Dublin team that didn't perform (and were a man down) on the ropes and let them off the hook. Hence they blew their chance and Dublin won't be as bad again.
But, given the idiosyncrasies of Gaelic games it's probably easier to recall a match where a team with 14 men actually lost a game than one their opponents won. For whatever reason being a man up rarely if ever translates to victory.
I'd be hopeful that last Sunday witnessed the turning of the tide, Dublin impressively refused to be beaten but could that be the last sting of a dying September wasp?
Despite the huge amount of self-confidence and self-belief every Kerry player is brought up to possess, in the back of their minds these young lads must have wondered if the media and experts were right - if this Dublin side was truly unbeatable in Croke Park. Last Sunday proved to them that they are every bit as good as Dublin, it shows the League game hinted at the real balance between both sides. Once they've got over the disappointment of the draw they will surely be hugely confident they can now finish the job.
Remember in 5 previous meetings now the tally stands at Kerry 2W 2Draws 1Defeat
People are saying key Dublin players didn't perform - yes but isn't it more the case they weren't let perform?
On the other hand three of Kerry's main forwards left their scoring boots behind them.
So who really has most capacity for improvement - for me it's Kerry.
The way some people are going on about Dublin being down to 14 men, it's as if Cooper's sending off was some miscarriage of justice. He couldn't handle Clifford and fouled him enough to be shown the line and what evidence is there he will be able to next Saturday?
Dublin are in big trouble at the back, Gavin doesn't trust his bench options for there and if the Kerry forwards play to their potential they could be ripped to shreds.
In saying all the above, finals take on a life of their own and Dublin are still justifiably favorites. But I think a lot more Kerry people are coming up next Saturday in belief rather than hope as opposed to last weekend.
And for us Kerry posters it will be funny to sit back and watch this forum go into meltdown if Kerry manage to pull off Mission Impossible II. Nothing seems to enrage the WUMs and Trolls more than the Kingdom winning matches :D" +1. We'll winter well with sam below in the kingdom county.
kerryforsam19 (Kerry) - Posts: 95 - 09/09/2019 07:45:07
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Replying To realdub: "Bahaha g'wan outta that, Rocky V Ivan Drago :D" Hi rocky bate drago realdub ;-) he's just a man not a machine :-0
We are the plucky underdog but we can do it.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/09/2019 07:47:10
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The bookies seldom call it wrong. They give the replay to Dublin. They might easily come out on Saturday and blitz Kerry off the field. It is that fear that should fire the men in green and gold to fill the jersey even more. Nothing less will be remotely good enough. If, at any time on Saturday, we have them by the throat then we must strangle the life out of them. Easier said than done. But. If anyone can then Kerry can!
plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 09/09/2019 09:35:03
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Hi rocky bate drago realdub ;-) he's just a man not a machine :-0
We are the plucky underdog but we can do it." Sorry, you're not allowed to be underdogs, not with 37 AIs :D
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 09/09/2019 10:04:39
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Replying To MesAmis: "But, given the idiosyncrasies of Gaelic games it's probably easier to recall a match where a team with 14 men actually lost a game than one their opponents won. For whatever reason being a man up rarely if ever translates to victory.
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I'd wager that when 2 equal enough teams meet and one team goes a man down with a significant amount of time left the team with the extran nearly always wins." Well said! I can't believe how many people are discounting that Dublin played so long with only 14 men. It dictated how Dublin played for the rest of the game and still they could have won. You can be sure if it was Kerry that had the 14 men everybody would be lauding them. I hope Dublin show their worth on Saturday by cementing their place in history. Good luck!
lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 09/09/2019 10:07:48
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That it really realdub, in many ways the opposition is irrelevant, its just about how you best to set your chess pieces up. Its about maximizing yourself, playing with spirit for your community, with respect for the opposition, humility, but total focus.
If a better team beats us, there is nothing else to do but shake their had and congratulate them. Its our way.
We are good though, very, very good and i'm confident.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 09/09/2019 10:08:08
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Incase anyone is interested.. was having a look at the bookies prices for MOTM in the replay. Don't get me wrong this is incredibly tough to call but John Small caught my eye at 25/1. He could be well worth a punt at that price.
If Dublin can maintain Kerrys forwards it could well be a Dublin back that gets it, John small at half back too will be able to influence the game in an attacking manner. Very underrated player im a big fan of his. 10ers on
boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 237 - 09/09/2019 11:14:27
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Replying To realdub: "Sorry, you're not allowed to be underdogs, not with 37 AIs :D" Ah sure they were 37 lucky allirelands realdub, well according to some lads in here anyway :-)
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/09/2019 11:15:35
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Ah sure they were 37 lucky allirelands realdub, well according to some lads in here anyway :-)" soon to be 38 ;)
boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 237 - 09/09/2019 11:20:20
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Could one argue that Dublin, more than any other team, would be able to absorb the likely impact of being down to 14 for a half given 1) their game plan is above all to retain possession 2) there huge reserve of experience and 3) the fact Cooper's sending off came just before half-time, giving Gavin the time to deal with it and plan accordingly.
All I'm saying is the dynamics of last Sunday week are such that you can't look at what happened in the black and white simplicity of Team A had 15 men therefore they should have beaten Team B because they played for so long with 14.
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 09/09/2019 11:24:40
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After Kerry's young boys became men last Sunday they should be favourites, the current Dublin squad look to be on their last legs and last Sunday also showed that Kerry's squad has more depth to it. The Kerry team, and a lot of their fans, are extremely confident of finishing the job on Saturday as they believe that Dublin are now inferior to them, from what I'm hearing coming out of the Kingdom.
dubdec99 (Dublin) - Posts: 180 - 09/09/2019 12:00:11
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Can somebody settle this for me - I know the GAA provide 26 medals for the winners and the county board then usually buy more for the unnamed subs. If dublin had won the last day and Bernard Brogan and Eoghan OGara were not on subs but were part of panel all year and received medals from county board would record books update to say Bernard had 7 all ireland medals or are the medals for players outside 26 not acknowledged.
Mfs (Mayo) - Posts: 251 - 09/09/2019 12:09:15
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Congratulations to Dublin for surpassing the previously considered greatest team of all time.. Kerry.
Dublin (with 14 men for close to 50 minutes) managed to draw their 5 in a row game and even have a kick to win it.
Kerry of course famously losing their own effort against the underdog.
Yep undoubtedly a step ahead already
Boy was my prediction almost spot on before the game. If it wasn't for a Cluxton wonder save I'd have been absolutely spot on!
What. A. Save.
Given the context of the game that moment is up there as one of the most significant pieces of individual skill ever witnessed in Croke Park
I knew Dubs would struggle off the back of the Mayo peak 2nd half performance. I said Keane would be ultimately prepared and do very well tactically, that the sight of a blue jersey would bring out a 10-15 percent improvement and they'd find a season defining performace and Dublin woukd be sort of flat.
Condidering Dublin were down a man for close to 50 minutes l was delighted to have got a draw and another chance to go again.
It still wasn't enough to beat a 14 man Dublin team. I looked at the faces leaving the ground and I was smiling.. not many Kerry supporters were
Couldn't believe the effort in the end and Kerry legs wobbled so close to the line
Turn over after turn over... couldn't have been prouder
Eye of the tiger stuff.. and once again they are now a step ahead of the greatest Kerry side of all time, all thanks to their incredible bravery and desire.
A privilege to support and with the spine of the team hailing from my boyhood club.. it doesn't get better than that as a fan of the sport.
Up The Dubs
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 09/09/2019 12:09:40
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Replying To boman11: "soon to be 38 ;)" The 38th All Ireland for Kerry will be the sweetest!
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2221 - 09/09/2019 12:15:19
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Replying To TheHermit: "Could one argue that Dublin, more than any other team, would be able to absorb the likely impact of being down to 14 for a half given 1) their game plan is above all to retain possession 2) there huge reserve of experience and 3) the fact Cooper's sending off came just before half-time, giving Gavin the time to deal with it and plan accordingly.
All I'm saying is the dynamics of last Sunday week are such that you can't look at what happened in the black and white simplicity of Team A had 15 men therefore they should have beaten Team B because they played for so long with 14." I get what you are saying but Dublin would have been a lot stronger with 15 in comparison to how they were with 14. That's inarguable.
Everyone saying that Kerry will have gained confidence from Sunday may well be right, saying that Kerry now know that they are as good as the Dubs etc. I'd agree but with a slight addition, Kerry now know that they are as good as 14 Dubs.
Kerry do have a great chance on Saturday but the biggest lingering doubt anyone should have is that they had a man advantage for 45 minutes of the game and failed to see the game through.
If they are good enough to beat Dublin with 15 this Saturday they really should have already finished the job already.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 09/09/2019 12:31:57
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Replying To jimbodub: "Congratulations to Dublin for surpassing the previously considered greatest team of all time.. Kerry.
Dublin (with 14 men for close to 50 minutes) managed to draw their 5 in a row game and even have a kick to win it.
Kerry of course famously losing their own effort against the underdog.
Yep undoubtedly a step ahead already
Boy was my prediction almost spot on before the game. If it wasn't for a Cluxton wonder save I'd have been absolutely spot on!
What. A. Save.
Given the context of the game that moment is up there as one of the most significant pieces of individual skill ever witnessed in Croke Park
I knew Dubs would struggle off the back of the Mayo peak 2nd half performance. I said Keane would be ultimately prepared and do very well tactically, that the sight of a blue jersey would bring out a 10-15 percent improvement and they'd find a season defining performace and Dublin woukd be sort of flat.
Condidering Dublin were down a man for close to 50 minutes l was delighted to have got a draw and another chance to go again.
It still wasn't enough to beat a 14 man Dublin team. I looked at the faces leaving the ground and I was smiling.. not many Kerry supporters were
Couldn't believe the effort in the end and Kerry legs wobbled so close to the line
Turn over after turn over... couldn't have been prouder
Eye of the tiger stuff.. and once again they are now a step ahead of the greatest Kerry side of all time, all thanks to their incredible bravery and desire.
A privilege to support and with the spine of the team hailing from my boyhood club.. it doesn't get better than that as a fan of the sport.
Up The Dubs" Jimbo yer on borrowed time....get out as many of those posts as you can this week because it all ends for ye come sat. Kerry will win with plenty to spare and retire a whole raft of the great Dublin team...all credit to them they played from memory last weekend towards the end but Kerry will create the goal chances again and bury them this time. Defensively the number is up for the Dubs without Philly and Cian O S they're just not the same.
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You'd hope teachers go easy on this young team with homework on Friday now that the schools are back! ;)
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Replying To MesAmis: "I get what you are saying but Dublin would have been a lot stronger with 15 in comparison to how they were with 14. That's inarguable.
Everyone saying that Kerry will have gained confidence from Sunday may well be right, saying that Kerry now know that they are as good as the Dubs etc. I'd agree but with a slight addition, Kerry now know that they are as good as 14 Dubs.
Kerry do have a great chance on Saturday but the biggest lingering doubt anyone should have is that they had a man advantage for 45 minutes of the game and failed to see the game through.
If they are good enough to beat Dublin with 15 this Saturday they really should have already finished the job already." Conversely, if Kerry had brought their kicking boots Dublin will know they should arguably have been 7-8-9 points behind at half time.
The lingering doubt for Dublin is that there backs could barely handle a misfiring Kerry forward line last Sunday week, so how are they going to handle one if it clicks on Saturday?
Dublin will also now worry that their bench does not give them many options or much of an impact in stark contrast to what Kerry can bring on.
Finally, the momentum swung in the last five minutes and it was all Dublin and yet they couldn't kill off a young Kerry side that was out on its feet. If they were the team of old surely they would have done that.
Again Dublin will be favorites, rightly so, but the performance graph for this Kerry side keeps rising expediently as the summer has progressed. I'm hopeful we'll see them play even better again on Saturday.
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Kerry: "Hello, yerra, look, is this Mayo there"
Mayo: "Ah Kerry is that you"
Kerry: "Tis surely is, by all the goats of puck fair, how are ya?"
Mayo "Well to be honest im surprised to hear from you, it didn't end of the best of terms with all shenanigans down in Killarney and to be honest, the lads are still recovering from injuries"
Kerry: " But yerra, look, the lads are young inexperienced, and just high spirited, they might be the best team never to win anything, but yerra, look, their young".
Mayo: "Ok Kerry, sure we have to trust that Kerry wouldn't engage in skulldugary or spraying water and such, how can i help yee".
Kerry: " Yerra, look, i hear you have a few bridesmaids dresses going cheap, yerra how much? Look, the lads are young only get a bit pocket money, Yerra, look they are very young and will grow into them, we will give you a fiver, Yerra, look".
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 09/09/2019 15:06:02
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