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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "Flaker,

I think you are mixing up Dublins "best player" with our most important player
Now, I personally think Cluxton is both the best and most important ever, I have never seen his equal. For me, Cluxton is THE Hero of the current era of Dubs football

But........
I can see why some are saying Connolly is the best. I don't think anyone is saying he has been the most important though, have they?
DC can do things no other Dublin footballer can do. He has 2 wands of feet. He is only comparable in my lifetime to Maurice Fitz and Ciaran McDonald. Curiosly, like DC, neither of those 2 lads were consistent starters for their counties in their primes either.
There seems to be something about maverick geniuses in gaelic football, that people don't trust them the same way they will trust a Johnny Crowley or an Andy Moran. Mavericks like Fitzgerald, McDonald and Connolly are very very rare and many GAA managers just don't know how to handle them.

I have seen Connolly do things with a ball that you had to be in the stadium to appreciate it. I remember a Leinster final V Tom Cribbins Westmeath a few years back, he pinged a pass with the outside of his boot fully 60 yards into Alan Brogan's chest. To watch it on tele it looked good, to see it in person, from behind with the curve...there were people from both counties around us just gasping at it.
The point he kicked V Kerry to win the game a few years back off his left, full throttle on the run from in front of the hoganstand was outrageous.
You could say Bernard has been more consistent, he has
You could say Alan contributed more, he did
You could say Paul Flynn left more out there, he did
But you could NOT say, any of them were better footballers than Connolly.......

They weren't"
Are ye trying to say Connolly is the best Dublin player ever? Or the best player ever?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 9987 - 11/09/2019 17:11:06    2234508

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "Flaker,

I think you are mixing up Dublins "best player" with our most important player
Now, I personally think Cluxton is both the best and most important ever, I have never seen his equal. For me, Cluxton is THE Hero of the current era of Dubs football

But........
I can see why some are saying Connolly is the best. I don't think anyone is saying he has been the most important though, have they?
DC can do things no other Dublin footballer can do. He has 2 wands of feet. He is only comparable in my lifetime to Maurice Fitz and Ciaran McDonald. Curiosly, like DC, neither of those 2 lads were consistent starters for their counties in their primes either.
There seems to be something about maverick geniuses in gaelic football, that people don't trust them the same way they will trust a Johnny Crowley or an Andy Moran. Mavericks like Fitzgerald, McDonald and Connolly are very very rare and many GAA managers just don't know how to handle them.

I have seen Connolly do things with a ball that you had to be in the stadium to appreciate it. I remember a Leinster final V Tom Cribbins Westmeath a few years back, he pinged a pass with the outside of his boot fully 60 yards into Alan Brogan's chest. To watch it on tele it looked good, to see it in person, from behind with the curve...there were people from both counties around us just gasping at it.
The point he kicked V Kerry to win the game a few years back off his left, full throttle on the run from in front of the hoganstand was outrageous.
You could say Bernard has been more consistent, he has
You could say Alan contributed more, he did
You could say Paul Flynn left more out there, he did
But you could NOT say, any of them were better footballers than Connolly.......

They weren't"
Maurice Fitzgerald started every championship match Kerry played from 1988-1999, came on as a sub in every game in 2000 and played every game in 2001, 3 from the start and 3 from the bench. Between Minor, U-21 and Senior, he played in every championship match he was eligible for from 1986-2001, started every game for the U-21s and all but one for the Minors.

Don't think you could really say he wasn't a consistent starter in his prime, he only dropped to the bench once he was past 30.

expe (UK) - Posts: 15 - 11/09/2019 17:49:27    2234516

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "I already did or perhaps you missed my comment on club and college. The criteria for Mayo players and other counties is All Ireland final day, if we are being consistent."
I see. So discount club final days, provincial championships and AI series, except the final. The new barometer for assessing players' greatness is just AI final days in your book. Bizarre. You're speaking on other counties' behalf now also I notice

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4081 - 11/09/2019 17:53:39    2234517

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Replying To Joxer:  "I see. So discount club final days, provincial championships and AI series, except the final. The new barometer for assessing players' greatness is just AI final days in your book. Bizarre. You're speaking on other counties' behalf now also I notice"
Jesus man try and read my posts again. Like missing my whole point.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6536 - 11/09/2019 18:38:02    2234528

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Replying To wfkerry:  "Kerry will play better on Sunday against 15 i love
the excuse if Dublin had 15 they would have won
Kerry forwards had 3 goal chance when Dubs had
there full team , Kerry will finish them off on Sunday"
That's a lot of injury time.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 91 - 11/09/2019 18:53:42    2234530

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Are ye trying to say Connolly is the best Dublin player ever? Or the best player ever?"
At what point did it occur to you to ask that question ?
Was it when he said DC was the best player ever or when he said he was the best Dublin player ever ?
I take it you wouldn't be a great lad at extracting information by reading.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1053 - 11/09/2019 19:13:45    2234537

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Replying To wfkerry:  "Kerry will play better on Sunday against 15 i love
the excuse if Dublin had 15 they would have won
Kerry forwards had 3 goal chance when Dubs had
there full team , Kerry will finish them off on Sunday"
Don't see anyone making excuses for having a man less. Anyway is there any reason to make an excuse for a drawn match?

Any fan would consider it a valid comment that having a man less impacted greatly on their team's performance (it's sort of more difficult if you are missing a player - thought that was fairly obvious).

Dinosbar&grill (Dublin) - Posts: 23 - 11/09/2019 19:29:12    2234546

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Jesus man try and read my posts again. Like missing my whole point."
Eh no. Not missing your point at all. I simply asked if you thought that you were better placed to judge Connolly's ability than Dublin fans who have been witnessing him in the flesh at all levels for over a decade. It was a simple yes or no question I thought to which you replied something about club and college football, although not mentioning county strangely. You then followed this up with your barometer for greatness, AI final displays only. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I got from it. Look you're from Mayo, I get that you wouldn't be DC's biggest fan, I get that you think that Keegan outplayed him in AI finals and you're probably judging DC on that alone and I even get that you may feel aggrieved because Keegan had to haul DC to the ground a couple of times and got the line for that. But you can't judge a decade long vet of the game based on his performance in 2 or 3 AI final games against your own county. Even if he did score 1-2 in those games and that goal was the difference between the teams in that game. He is widely recognised as one of the greats and there wouldn't many in front of him for the GOAT title.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4081 - 11/09/2019 19:44:21    2234551

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Replying To Joxer:  "Eh no. Not missing your point at all. I simply asked if you thought that you were better placed to judge Connolly's ability than Dublin fans who have been witnessing him in the flesh at all levels for over a decade. It was a simple yes or no question I thought to which you replied something about club and college football, although not mentioning county strangely. You then followed this up with your barometer for greatness, AI final displays only. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I got from it. Look you're from Mayo, I get that you wouldn't be DC's biggest fan, I get that you think that Keegan outplayed him in AI finals and you're probably judging DC on that alone and I even get that you may feel aggrieved because Keegan had to haul DC to the ground a couple of times and got the line for that. But you can't judge a decade long vet of the game based on his performance in 2 or 3 AI final games against your own county. Even if he did score 1-2 in those games and that goal was the difference between the teams in that game. He is widely recognised as one of the greats and there wouldn't many in front of him for the GOAT title."
And there we go, the last line just proves my point. Absolutely pointless debating it with you. I didnt even start this nonsense. I was trying to speak on the merits of 2019.

Anyway best of luck. And no I don't judge him on a few games against Keegan. Lots of lols for that one. As for the scoring thing? A penalty yeah? He got outscored heavily by his half back opponent overall in those games by the way.( you brought up the scores) .

And despite his brilliance he is nowhere near the GOAT as some claim. I might be corrected but I think he has scored 0-3 from play in total in all the finals he has started? Plus a further point as a sub in 17. Seeing as you started on about the scoring.

Connolly wouldn't be in my top 6 forwards since the millennium never mind of all time. But I guess you are as blinded from your side as I am by my Mayo heritage!

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6536 - 11/09/2019 20:02:07    2234556

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "And there we go, the last line just proves my point. Absolutely pointless debating it with you. I didnt even start this nonsense. I was trying to speak on the merits of 2019.

Anyway best of luck. And no I don't judge him on a few games against Keegan. Lots of lols for that one. As for the scoring thing? A penalty yeah? He got outscored heavily by his half back opponent overall in those games by the way.( you brought up the scores) .

And despite his brilliance he is nowhere near the GOAT as some claim. I might be corrected but I think he has scored 0-3 from play in total in all the finals he has started? Plus a further point as a sub in 17. Seeing as you started on about the scoring.

Connolly wouldn't be in my top 6 forwards since the millennium never mind of all time. But I guess you are as blinded from your side as I am by my Mayo heritage!"
The auld nerves go jingle jangle... all along the banks holding all the money pumped into Dublin by the GAA!

plike (Kerry) - Posts: 541 - 11/09/2019 20:22:48    2234562

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "And there we go, the last line just proves my point. Absolutely pointless debating it with you. I didnt even start this nonsense. I was trying to speak on the merits of 2019.

Anyway best of luck. And no I don't judge him on a few games against Keegan. Lots of lols for that one. As for the scoring thing? A penalty yeah? He got outscored heavily by his half back opponent overall in those games by the way.( you brought up the scores) .

And despite his brilliance he is nowhere near the GOAT as some claim. I might be corrected but I think he has scored 0-3 from play in total in all the finals he has started? Plus a further point as a sub in 17. Seeing as you started on about the scoring.

Connolly wouldn't be in my top 6 forwards since the millennium never mind of all time. But I guess you are as blinded from your side as I am by my Mayo heritage!"
Yes and I guess your last couple of lines gives a good indication of where you are coming from and confirms my suspicions. You have a problem with Connolly, we get it. I would too if he was instrumental in my team not managing to win two AI finals that they should have.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4081 - 11/09/2019 20:47:59    2234568

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Kerry to win the replay and with a bit to spare. Dublin have been a legendary tieam, that's undisputed but the cracks have been showing. This happens to every great team eventually. They're only unbeatable until their beaten and the aura of invincibility is lifted. When that happens, the media and forums like this will start to highlight the weaknesses that apparently existed all along! (without anyone ever having mentioned them).

That's my humble prediction but don't go betting your house on it. I couldn't make the drawn game but will be there for this one. A AI Final on the third weekend of September. Should be a cracker. Can't wait.

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 267 - 11/09/2019 20:58:26    2234573

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Replying To Joxer:  "Yes and I guess your last couple of lines gives a good indication of where you are coming from and confirms my suspicions. You have a problem with Connolly, we get it. I would too if he was instrumental in my team not managing to win two AI finals that they should have."
The last couple of lines were sarcasm based on your assumption that because I am from
Mayo I can't see the brilliance of Connolly. Have said he is a brilliant footballer and athlete many times. I just said he isn't the GOAT as more than one person has claimed. And I don't believe he should be starting at the weekend. If he lights it up i will be back to say I was wrong.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6536 - 11/09/2019 21:14:26    2234578

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Replying To Joxer:  "Yes and I guess your last couple of lines gives a good indication of where you are coming from and confirms my suspicions. You have a problem with Connolly, we get it. I would too if he was instrumental in my team not managing to win two AI finals that they should have."
Nah Joxer , his problem in my opinion is Dublin and Connolly is part of that . " ducks for cover " -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 1889 - 11/09/2019 21:27:05    2234580

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Ring a-ring a-Rosie, as the light declines,

I'll remember Diarmuid Connolly in the Rare Auld Times. ;)

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3082 - 11/09/2019 21:41:23    2234583

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Haven't been on here in a wee while and realise I haven't missed too much.
Anyway hoping for a cracker on Saturday.
Felt very much a neutral for the last game but having read through many of the posts here, there is only one thing for it ....
Now Deep Breath ......
COME ON THE KINGDOM !!

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 678 - 11/09/2019 21:57:43    2234592

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Replying To greysoil:  "Haven't been on here in a wee while and realise I haven't missed too much.
Anyway hoping for a cracker on Saturday.
Felt very much a neutral for the last game but having read through many of the posts here, there is only one thing for it ....
Now Deep Breath ......
COME ON THE KINGDOM !!"
Eh weren't you caught out a while ago as being from Kerry. Be odd if you weren't supporting them.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 379 - 12/09/2019 09:08:28    2234642

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I think DC is one of the most gifted and talented footballers of this generation or all time. Not many footballers can play full forward, center forward, midfield and center back to a high level. Devastating in full flow. I think mostly due to his tendency to see red on the field in his younger years the Dublin team never went through him the same way it did with the brogans etc and it is possibly why he wont be remembered as the GOAT.

As a meathman I know the impact off the field incidents will impact how your on the field is remembered, see Geraghty. Cant argue that in full flow DC is almost as perfect a footballer as I have seen live

Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 407 - 12/09/2019 09:29:36    2234649

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Any word on any injuries for Dublin, is there doubts over Cian O'Sullivan and Small?

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 5135 - 12/09/2019 09:35:55    2234651

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Any word on any injuries for Dublin, is there doubts over Cian O'Sullivan and Small?"
Apparently Small has a bad hand injury that will rule him out for Sunday. O'Sullivan is carry other injuries. Doubt he'll feature either.
Dublin light at the back now. Small is underestimated- he is a very solid natural defender.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1230 - 12/09/2019 10:12:08    2234660

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