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I think it would be battle, cat and mouse, Jack can take risks and thats when the sweeper kicks in and whether they could contain the Kerry full forward line is debatable if we were caught or a turnover was forced. But i suppose you dont track Jack at your peril and run the risk of the flood. Dublin will surely be aiming to put pressure of in the perceived weakness of Kerry through the middle and if we can get a body up there either with Jamsey or Jack we can flood and overwhelm and maybe test discipline etc. I think we could see them cancel each other out early doors, i expect Kerry to be ahead and need to be at half time by how much i would think about 5, if they can get 1-5 i think we are in real trouble, certainly capable. Dublin will absorb for the first 20 mins and Kerry will be ahead, then a game plan will develop once they've eyed Kerry. After the first 20 minutes the match ups will be looser and space will develop based on momentum and who needs to what. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 16/08/2019 11:49:57 2226339 Link 2 |
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Do you mean the likes of this nonsense from Hermit over on the Kerry County forum??? "The GAA will do everything to ensure Dublin do their 5. And watch this space, the O'Brien thing will drag on for the next 3 weeks just to try and distract Kerry more from their preparations. D-GAA is alive and well :(" You have to laugh at the paranoia of certain Kerry posters. They like to call themselves the Aristocrats - maybe they were but now that they've known disappointment they have proven to be All-Ireland Champion Whingers. Not very noble or aristocratic. We've had Goughgate - then we had an attempt via social media to smear Tyrone over laxatives being put in water bottles. Not a word about that now. Sick of them at this stage. I hope we knock 7 shades of crap out of them and send them home packing. avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 16/08/2019 12:06:43 2226350 Link 3 |
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Classy.
GreenAndGold74 (Kerry) - Posts: 194 - 16/08/2019 12:19:19 2226362 Link 4 |
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There are some interesting battles around the pitch. The game may not pan out as we expect. I have been reading a lot that Dublin will pull away in the last 15 minutes as we have come to expect from them but I'm not so sure about that. If it's nip and tuck coming down the straight Kerry have hit a new level of fitness and have been able to introduce effective substitutes throughout the championship. I think that particular Dublin advantage has been eroded a bit. Of course it's equally possible that Dublin get four goals and it's over with twenty to go but I have to try to convince myself we can win. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 16/08/2019 12:41:15 2226371 Link 5 |
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Truth hurts.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 16/08/2019 12:43:18 2226372 Link 1 |
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Will James O Donoghue future in the final I wonder now he's back in training? It doesn't fill me with the same fear as a few years ago as injuries have taken there toll but still a good man to bring on? Tommy Walsh is a huge weapon for Kerry we don't have a big man to mark him now that Philly is not in the first 15 , bringing James McCarthy back takes an awful lot away from our attacking game plan. It's going to very interesting to see what Keane does. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 16/08/2019 13:25:55 2226393 Link 0 |
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Certainly are Gerry, who will TOS mark, match ups with Con, Kilkenny, Mannion. Who will take Clifford, SOS, Geany, what way will the midfield battle go, will Barry be called in to do a job Fenton, can we flood the centre with Howard and Jamsey. Whether it will even go that way, man to man, sweepers or blanket. Donnie Buckley has been known to come up with a defensive structure to stifle Dublin, but hasnt beaten them yet. Then what to do with the running of the benches, Cormac, Macker, Connolly, JOD, Walsh etc. Kick outs as well will be fascinating, i think we will try to crack Ryan, no doubt Kerry will try and Cluxton as well. I dont mean this personally, but i think the Dublin being fitter coming down the straight thing is a bit of a myth and trap many counties fall into. We certainly dont lack anything on S/C. But there are many variables, to that. Dublin sometimes dont start with their best team they start with a team that will match physicality and entusiasim they know teams will go hard in the first 20 against them, they often finish with their best most skillful team when the space open up, its so logically simple but i guess we have the panel to do it. What Dublin know is teams come roaring out of the traps against them full of endevour and enthusiasm, often we start to contain and match the physicality and intensity, teams often stay with us or are ahead at half time, as that wains and tanks are emptier, we try and make our quality tell as space open up, as the game goes on we target things and then eventually change things and bring on additional quality. The quality of replacements is the thing, we have quality players coming in to do a focused a job after a priod of analysing the game from the sideline. Micky Whealan used to say there are no substitutes, there are impact players, you are being brought on to make a focused impact. If im being totally frank Gavin has been playing a bit with managers in the last 15, he knows that teams are keeping their bench with last 15 in mind, you look at Dublin this year, they have targeted different quarters before the last 15, to put the game to bed, before the opposition can run their bench, Andy Moran for exapmle was sprung when the game was over last week, then we run ours to sweep up and see the game out. Gavin has been using the last 15 narrative in our favor. I suppose what im saying is the coming down the straight thing, is a bit of a red hearing, if its still a game after the third quarter Kerry will be very confident. If i was Kerry i would be looking at physicality rather then fitness and seeing out the 70 to be honest thats a given and would expect no less, i think were we have a bit of an advantage in terms of power. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 16/08/2019 13:37:26 2226399 Link 3 |
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Yes certainly the advantage is with Dublin, there is no doubt about that. Don't underestimate Peter Keanes game planning though. I have been massively impressed with the way he has played his hand to date and I don't think Jim Gavin is going to spring anything that Keane won't have planned for. The test will be whether he has the personnel just yet to pull off a surprise. The occasion could get to some of the less experienced guys playing in their first final too. I do believe we have a better chance than most are giving us though. On the kickouts I think Dublin will try to shake Ryan and he is still very inexperienced. That factor could be huge. Kerry will probably give Cluxton his kickouts for the most part and focus on meeting Dublin in the middle. Pressing Cluxton was very effective some years ago but virtually everything has been thrown at him by now. I don't think it's worth the energy of chasing down his kickouts as he will just kick it over the press at this stage and you are then running the risk of Fenton or Kilkenny winning it when all of your players are pushed up. They may try it a few times after set plays but I don't expect him to be too troubled outside of that. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 16/08/2019 13:54:51 2226405 Link 6 |
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I think we have to worry more about Jack Barry. He has proven more than a match for Brian Fenton in the past. If Barry gets motoring and clicks with Moran click we could be in for a long afternoon. Also, who will track Stephen O'Brien's runs. We need a really good tackler on him because he can be turned over. Paul Mannion to track back and pick up his runs?
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 16/08/2019 13:56:02 2226406 Link 0 |
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There is no match for Fenton. None.
westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 16/08/2019 14:12:30 2226410 Link 3 |
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Watch the games back the Barry marking Fenton out of it is a myth. Fenton owns the ball down in Tralee.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 16/08/2019 14:21:58 2226415 Link 4 |
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I dont disagree, but its a concerning tag none the less. We are learning why guys like to play down your chances often. ;) Ive been critical of Keane this year, on reflection, i didn't think he was a good appointment and if im being honest i dont like how he goes about things playing the gom and think he tries to copy Gavin a bit certainly in the projection of persona. But id acknowledge our own manager is a bit the same and im sure no one in Kerry will worry a bit whether their manager annoys a Dub, by his going ons, in fact they would probably prefer it. I also rated Fitzmaurice as a manager and didnt really like how it ended for him, more the abuse then the decision itself, i though he was a good GAA man. so maybe im biased. I still have mixed emotions about the job he is doing, i do think its a bit of a team effort down in Kerry and why not, they are entitled to put together the best team they can. Continuity is important and he has that with many of these lads from underage. What raised my esteem of him was the reaction at half time last week, he got it really spot on. Whether that was purposeful, certainly Kerry looked a different team in the second. I thought Tyrone were out on their feet the second half and whether that was intentional or coincidental only Keane will know, id have an opinion on the ref, but best not given the climate. :) He has that unknown factor too which is why i haven't probably really made my mind up on him yet. You guys will know best and no doubt be pleased. You cant fault what he has done so far, two national title finals. He has the county mobilized again. What i would say Kerry need a performance in two halves, i wouldn't have seen as much of them as yourself, but strike me as the performance in different half's and different phases can vary hugely. You would expect that in a developing team. No one can have any complaints on his take home this year as well and hes not done yet. I think Kerry have a great chance especially if they can have the game on tier terms, if they can force a shoot out and swashbuckling stuff they will and if that happens its anyone's game. Im confident because we are good, but taking zero for granted and the game is in the melting pot. Id bite your hand off for the win right now. Write Kerry off at your peril and the tools are there to beat us, in the most dramatic fashion. Also agree we will push up on Ryan and try and flood Moran and Spillane or Barry, we will do this zonally i would say, the dirty ball will be key we were very poor on this Vs Mayo, so Kerry could make hay there, they have been very tenacious here swarming. I think Kerry would be foolish not to try the high press, maybe in phases and keep Dublin guessing, every keeper is prone to an error. Another would be to concede the short one, and push up on the defenders then and make Dublin work the progression. But its all a bit of craic is speculation at the moment master Keane will know best. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 16/08/2019 14:32:22 2226420 Link 3 |
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Jack has been struggling with different injuries and I'm not sure he will be in any shape to run with Brian Fenton really. Fenton is by far the better player but Jack has shown that he can stick with him and minimise his impact in the past. Their playing careers have gone in different directions since then though and I think it would be a big ask for Jack to do that now having played no meaningful football for nearly two months. They will more likely ask Spillane or Sherwood to track him and give jack 15-20 mins at the end. Stephen O'Brien is going to be a handful hopefully and you'll probably have to deal with Tommy Walsh at some stage too, the way Kerry used him on the 40 last weekend was brilliant because it brought everyone around him in to the game. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 16/08/2019 14:44:17 2226432 Link 5 |
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League Final 2017 he didn't.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 16/08/2019 14:46:03 2226433 Link 0 |
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Jesus my posts on the Kerry forum have become fierce popular over here! Maybe I should collect my thoughts and publish them as a book to sale via Hoganstand? Yeah I'm probably a tad paranoid these days, what's gone on the last decade surrounding Dublin and the GAA would make anyone from Kerry a little of that if you looked at so many things in the cold light of day. Only a pure idiot could look at Dublin,the money, home advantages etc etc and not say they've been given preferential treatment by the organisation that controls the sport. And sure if these are just the wild ramblings of a conspiracy theorist why do they upset you and other Dublin posters so much, surely it's not a case that deep down you know there's truth to all this?!!!! It's becoming fairly obvious to me that a lot of Dublin posters seem very unsettled that it's Kerry they are facing. I'm used to the Kerry bashing on here, its frequently indulged in - but in the last few days its gone into overdrive. Surely this can't be stemming from some fear these teenagers in green and gold could cause an upset against the greatest greatest team in the history of the world ;D P.S. as regards Tyrone, firstly the stuff I and anyone else I know was getting was being sent on from lads from other counties. Secondly are you saying the story's fabricated and a lie? What proof do you have of that? Perhaps your personally inspected the water bottle or else its just something more to feed your Kerry bashing... TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 16/08/2019 14:49:39 2226434 Link 2 |
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A shame his (Fenton's) dad left Kerry. But on reflection a blessing that John O Leary (FF) RIP engineered the return of David Clifford' s dad to Fossa otherwise we could have David joining Cian O Sullivan and the sons of Mrs Brogan as FBKs (foreign born Kerrymen ) But nice to see Kerry blood pumping the heartbeat of the Pale in the drive for five . Hope Jim Gavins satnav points towards the Reeks .
37sowhat (Sligo) - Posts: 752 - 16/08/2019 15:16:44 2226440 Link 1 |
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I got two messages re: the bottle from Kerry cousins. The burden of proof is with the accusers Hermit and if there is any truth in the alleged attempt to sicken players on the pitch I would have thought Kerry GAA would have been all over that like a light. The rumour hardly had its origins in another county surely? I am no more unsettled or nervous before this Final than any other final. You lads seem to think you are bogey men. Far from it. If anything Mayo caused me more nervousness at this stage than Kerry. I thought the Gough affair was just another attempt to pre-empt critical decisions he may have to make on the day. You know my views on financing and I believe Kerry Gaa lacks for nothing. It was your iconic leader Mick O who first challenged the amateur ethos of our sport and in doing that he let the genie out of the bottle. As for conspiracy theories. One might argue that the ref's decision to not award a red card to Tadgh Kennelly in the first seconds of the 2009 final was a shameful dereliction off duty. As for 2014. You could argue that the GAA did all in their power to help you there. Go to 2016 semi-final. Gough missed a serious challenge on Philly Mac by AOM. Yet a mob of Kerry fans subjected him to vile abuse from the stands. It was disgusting. This was a point openly admitted on your own Kerry GAA forum. Other posters reckoned Kerry were lucky not to get 3 black cards. Go back in time to our buddy Seamus Aldridge when he pen;lised Paddy Cullen for nothing - A decision around which a match hinged and he never explained why it was a free. My point is everything is open to interpretation and I think it's Kerry folk like yourself who are deeply unsettled. The threat of the achievements of their iconic 4 in a row team could be eclipsed. You will kick and scream and smear and do anything to avert that possibility. Hence all the BS we've been getting lately. I used to believe Kerry was the most sporting county but not any more. Quite the reverse, sadly. avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 16/08/2019 15:42:28 2226455 Link 2 |
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I think Kerry will cause Dublin a lot of trouble jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 16/08/2019 16:17:54 2226470 Link 0 |
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Its wrong i think, to tar a whole county by the behavior and actions of a few, the vast majority of Kerry people are really decent knowledgeable folks, im sure many have gone down there or had the craic at matches and will attest to that. There are a few like in any county, who will do detestable things like the missiles in 2016, i saw it all and then there are a few lads on here who arent very likable, but i put that down to flaws in the fellas themselves, rather then a genrialise as a county. Equally ive seen some stuff on the hill and trains i wouldn't be proud to see from Dublin fans over the years. Loons and poor caliber lads everywhere. I tend to treat as i find. Some lads on here arent worth bothering with and you can take them out for a bit of a play and craic if the humor is on you. There are some absolute gentleman from Kerry on here to like Gerry, who you can really enjoy a bit of conversation with and part with difference of opinions without any sledging and respectfully. I enjoy i good wind up or a it of banter to a point about counties, if you give it you have to take it. I tend to think not in terms in terms of county and lump everyone together, more the behaiour and what it say of the person. Some fine Kerry folk and a pleaure to be with, certainly some of the stuff we see on here is reflective of the person and not the county. Same goes for all counites my own included. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 16/08/2019 16:33:06 2226485 Link 2 |
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Yerra sure where do I even begin with all that, I think I won't even bother. It's Friday after all and I've a train to catch. Thanks for the pop physco-anaylisis too, you'll appreciate how much I heed the opinions of a stranger on an internet forum. I'm sure my kicking, screaming and smearing, whatever that last one relates to, will heavily contribute to a Kerry victory. Don't you know the Kerry team is told to scroll through the KerryGAA boards forum and the Kerry Hoganstand forum before each game. I never knew there was so much interest in Kerry forum pages, it's almost like the rest of ye have none of them or something? TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 16/08/2019 16:37:37 2226489 Link 3 |