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Replying To lambofgod:  "At the beginning of this year I would have wanted anyone to beat Dublin just to stop the drive for 5.

But this current Kerry team are very hard to like and yesterday just reinforced my view of that.

Cynical exploits, off the ball fouling, slowing the game down, dragging men down, complaining constantly to the referee.

Also I don't think they are that good and honestly I can see Dublin beating them by as much as they want."
Sure if we haven't a chance and we're going to get hammered then what's the problem? Just sit back and enjoy the final.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 9691 - 12/08/2019 14:24:16    2224659

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Replying To DonegalAtlantic:  "Unfortunately you believe wrongly again. But I note you don't deny the mischief. It was not before the match but rather in the last few crucial minutes. Same classy guy got black carded again at the weekend - did anyone see it?

I still await the advantages though. I suspect I will be waiting quite a while, maybe an eternity, as there simply are none."
Well talking of classy guys... it's a wonder you weren't advising Mayo to go out and try and break opposition players' fingers. Isn't that your own county's speciality after all?
I've discussed and argued these perceived advantages endlessly here. But I won't discuss them with people who are so obviously anti-Dublin and who have such a limited grasp of basic English.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1208 - 12/08/2019 14:36:24    2224667

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Replying To DonegalAtlantic:  "You're delusional. All and Every advantage is with Dublin. Home crowd, dedicated sections now it would appear, total and utter familiarity with the pitch and Croke Park itself, no need to travel, stay in non familiar locations etc. Won't get into the funding discussion as it's as some people can't understand certain things. And when Kerry played in Croke Park they had to earn their way to play there as opposed to it being the home ground."
Yerra go on outta tha supposed Donegal poster.
Home crowd? I'd say it was almost 50/50 yesterday.
Dedicated sections? You know not of what you speak. Dublin and Mayo season ticket holders in lower Cusack yesterday in separate sections 302-308 mostly. It all goes out the window on Sept 1st as season tkt holders are plonked around the back of the lower tier to make way for the sponsors and others who get the better seats.
Familiarity with the pitch? How many times has the like of O'Brien, C O'Brien, Geaney, O'Sullivan....played in Croke Park? It's hardly Ruislip now is it?
Stay in non-familiar locations?? Now you are joking.

Yerra gwan outta tha and just be happy that your team are in a final. 15v15.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4023 - 12/08/2019 14:44:49    2224673

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Replying To Joxer:  "Yerra go on outta tha supposed Donegal poster.
Home crowd? I'd say it was almost 50/50 yesterday.
Dedicated sections? You know not of what you speak. Dublin and Mayo season ticket holders in lower Cusack yesterday in separate sections 302-308 mostly. It all goes out the window on Sept 1st as season tkt holders are plonked around the back of the lower tier to make way for the sponsors and others who get the better seats.
Familiarity with the pitch? How many times has the like of O'Brien, C O'Brien, Geaney, O'Sullivan....played in Croke Park? It's hardly Ruislip now is it?
Stay in non-familiar locations?? Now you are joking.

Yerra gwan outta tha and just be happy that your team are in a final. 15v15."
Simple rule of thumb. U want to check whether a user is authentic go to their county page and check to see if they have posted there. Aliases rarely do this.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3703 - 12/08/2019 14:50:22    2224675

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Replying To avonali:  "Well talking of classy guys... it's a wonder you weren't advising Mayo to go out and try and break opposition players' fingers. Isn't that your own county's speciality after all?
I've discussed and argued these perceived advantages endlessly here. But I won't discuss them with people who are so obviously anti-Dublin and who have such a limited grasp of basic English."
We can all pick out individual players with nasty incidents over the years, calling it our "speciality" is a bit rich - I hardly say gouging is Dublin's speciality because of one incident from a player who outside of that has been a stellar role model in my opinion.

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Onto the game, a shootout and Dublin not being clinical is really the only way I see Kerry winning this. They are not good enough defensively to hold the Dubs so they really need to he hitting 1-20 or 2-20 to win. They are capable of that and I think they would do well to focus on how they make the middle 8 of Dublin worry about going the other way. O'Brien on McCaffrey if he gets cleared is an obvious one.

I think Ryan is much better with kickouts than Hennelly but will he be able to keep a cool head when the blitz comes? They need to be drilling into eachother for the next 3 weeks - the Dubs will get a goal, how do we react? Star mentioned on Sky in passing something I think will happen if the Dubs get on a roll, you'll see lads starting a row, boys rolling around the place and the hope will be it'll slow it down.

It's cynical and some folks act holier than thou about it but it's all about winning at the end of the day.

Tommy Walsh is an interesting one too. He's obviously a big aerial threat so the defence would sit a bit deeper in fear of that, but he's fantastic at getting out in front too as shown against Tyrone. In fact was there any high ball into him the last day? I think he will start and I think Kerry will look to build up a big lead if they can.

They can do it but an awful lot of things have to go their way. Hoping we see a great contest.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 942 - 12/08/2019 14:53:25    2224679

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Replying To DonegalAtlantic:  "Unfortunately you believe wrongly again. But I note you don't deny the mischief. It was not before the match but rather in the last few crucial minutes. Same classy guy got black carded again at the weekend - did anyone see it?

I still await the advantages though. I suspect I will be waiting quite a while, maybe an eternity, as there simply are none."
Just remembered the 2014 semi-final when a few Donegal minors made off with Cluxton's kicking tee.
Check it out.
Also, I doubt you're from Donegal. You seem have forgotten BJK kicking away Durcan's tee. Hmm, very strange indeed.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1208 - 12/08/2019 15:00:41    2224684

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Replying To avonali:  "Just remembered the 2014 semi-final when a few Donegal minors made off with Cluxton's kicking tee.
Check it out.
Also, I doubt you're from Donegal. You seem have forgotten BJK kicking away Durcan's tee. Hmm, very strange indeed."
Very much from Donegal and very proud to be so from our beautiful county. Is there a link to the Donegal minors doing that? I'll not hide away from it if that's the case. Don't think it made any difference to the result. Was not as close a game, just like subsequent meetings between our counties, as Mayo and Dublin in 2017. Anyway, I still await the advantages.

DonegalAtlantic (Donegal) - Posts: 76 - 12/08/2019 15:24:49    2224703

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "We can all pick out individual players with nasty incidents over the years, calling it our "speciality" is a bit rich - I hardly say gouging is Dublin's speciality because of one incident from a player who outside of that has been a stellar role model in my opinion.

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Onto the game, a shootout and Dublin not being clinical is really the only way I see Kerry winning this. They are not good enough defensively to hold the Dubs so they really need to he hitting 1-20 or 2-20 to win. They are capable of that and I think they would do well to focus on how they make the middle 8 of Dublin worry about going the other way. O'Brien on McCaffrey if he gets cleared is an obvious one.

I think Ryan is much better with kickouts than Hennelly but will he be able to keep a cool head when the blitz comes? They need to be drilling into eachother for the next 3 weeks - the Dubs will get a goal, how do we react? Star mentioned on Sky in passing something I think will happen if the Dubs get on a roll, you'll see lads starting a row, boys rolling around the place and the hope will be it'll slow it down.

It's cynical and some folks act holier than thou about it but it's all about winning at the end of the day.

Tommy Walsh is an interesting one too. He's obviously a big aerial threat so the defence would sit a bit deeper in fear of that, but he's fantastic at getting out in front too as shown against Tyrone. In fact was there any high ball into him the last day? I think he will start and I think Kerry will look to build up a big lead if they can.

They can do it but an awful lot of things have to go their way. Hoping we see a great contest."
I am responding to somebody who is making all sorts of comments about Dublin players. I am just suggesting he reflect on his own county's record. Anyhow, I doubt he is a genuine Donegal supporter.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1208 - 12/08/2019 15:34:41    2224711

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Replying To avonali:  "Well talking of classy guys... it's a wonder you weren't advising Mayo to go out and try and break opposition players' fingers. Isn't that your own county's speciality after all?
I've discussed and argued these perceived advantages endlessly here. But I won't discuss them with people who are so obviously anti-Dublin and who have such a limited grasp of basic English."
Grasp of basic English. That's rich coming from you. There is a post from your good self on another thread that needs to be pieced together it's so badly written.

No, our county's speciality is not that at all. There's a greater case to be made for your own having a track record in eye tackling - one of our own players being on the receiving end of it in an away game in Croke Park during the league a few years ago not long after a Kerry forward had a similar experience. And can't ever remember us systematically pulling down opposition players all over the pitch in the closing seconds of a game akin to yourselves in the 2017 final. You've pointed out no advantages because there are none - and since you cross referenced a message I posted on another thread you should be well able to dig out where you've endlessly argued these advantages previously. I clearly wanted Mayo to win on Saturday and wish they had. I wanted Dublin to win in 2011 as I do like to see All Ireland's won by more rather than less counties, all things equal. And rest assured I am 100% from Donegal.

DonegalAtlantic (Donegal) - Posts: 76 - 12/08/2019 16:39:40    2224750

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Replying To BlueBeret:  "Only a foolish person would compare winning 5 or 6 Minor titles in a row to Senior titles. Minor teams must change on an ongoing basis due to the small rule pertaining to players being under a given age on a given date. I would very much doubt if any Minor team has ever even won 2 titles in a row. Lots of counties and clubs have won multiple titles in a row but the teams are always changing."
"I would very much doubt if any Minor team has ever even won 2 titles in a row." What? The Kerry minors won 5 in a row last year.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 524 - 12/08/2019 16:44:30    2224754

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Kerry 9/2 to beat Dublin. I wonder have we ever seen such underdogs in any match let alone a final? Odds are accurate though you would have to say giving the form of the Dublin team.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 871 - 12/08/2019 17:03:17    2224760

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Replying To KY4SAM2015:  "Kerry 9/2 to beat Dublin. I wonder have we ever seen such underdogs in any match let alone a final? Odds are accurate though you would have to say giving the form of the Dublin team."
I reckon money will go on Kerry and those odds will shorten considerably over the next few weeks.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1208 - 12/08/2019 17:38:32    2224786

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Do any of these head the balls actually believe their playing down of Kerry's chances is fooling anybody.
It's a 50/50 game and it'll come down to how the teams perform on the day. Kerry will relish the prospect of beating Dublin and have the advantage of the element of the greater hunger. It's definitely an aspect that gives them the edge going into this game.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2107 - 12/08/2019 17:43:10    2224790

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Replying To KY4SAM2015:  "Kerry 9/2 to beat Dublin. I wonder have we ever seen such underdogs in any match let alone a final? Odds are accurate though you would have to say giving the form of the Dublin team."
Yerra we'll turn up anyway and give it a lash.

It's been a privilege this year to follow this exciting young side and see the promise of golden days ahead with the likes of Clifford and Seanie O leading our line for the next decade.

What people outside Kerry might not appreciate it that we've effectively created a new team within two years.
How many of those that graced Croke Park yesterday were on the pitch for the 2017 drawn semi against Mayo?
Here's you answer: 6, that's some turnover.

Keane and Tommy coming in and getting these lads to the final in their first year on the sideline is a massive, massive achievement.

Whatever comes in 3 weeks, they've done Kerry proud.

And sure there's been quiet a few young Kerry teams who have done special things on the biggest day over the years :)

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 5046 - 12/08/2019 17:51:14    2224797

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Replying To avonali:  "I reckon money will go on Kerry and those odds will shorten considerably over the next few weeks."
Yes maybe so but will not get shorter then 7/2, 4/1 which is still the highest odds i can remember for us. In 2009 i think we were 3/1 against Dublin but im not fully sure.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 871 - 12/08/2019 18:25:17    2224819

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Yerra we'll turn up anyway and give it a lash.

It's been a privilege this year to follow this exciting young side and see the promise of golden days ahead with the likes of Clifford and Seanie O leading our line for the next decade.

What people outside Kerry might not appreciate it that we've effectively created a new team within two years.
How many of those that graced Croke Park yesterday were on the pitch for the 2017 drawn semi against Mayo?
Here's you answer: 6, that's some turnover.

Keane and Tommy coming in and getting these lads to the final in their first year on the sideline is a massive, massive achievement.

Whatever comes in 3 weeks, they've done Kerry proud.

And sure there's been quiet a few young Kerry teams who have done special things on the biggest day over the years :)"
Yes the hermit its been a year where this team has exceeded expectations. We certainly have an exciting few years ahead and i dont think its the end of the young talent coming through as there is quite a few more young players we will see over the next few years.

Of course its a bit much to ask to beat Dublin this year but over the next while id expect us to challenge properly. As you said no harm in giving it a lash anyway in 3 weeks.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 871 - 12/08/2019 18:30:15    2224821

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Dubs will remain focused.

It's where they wanted to be and the team standing in front of them is irrelevant.

Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry all of a similar standard as would Mayo without the ridiculous luck with injuries.

All the rest is bluster coming from outside the setup and just side show noise.

Kerry deserve absolute respect and that's what they'll get but they have plenty of weaknesses that have already been exposed by teams below Dublin and this will be focused on in the weeks ahead.

Plenty of goals conceded by Kerry that will be reviewed.

But again, Kerry absolutely deserve to be where they are and have a good mix of old and new in their panel which they had to call on yesterday because Tyrone tactically had Kerry where they wanted and Keane was forced to make changes at HT.

The only thing that separates the two was a sloppy hand pass at the end of the day.

Interesting weeks ahead

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19589 - 12/08/2019 18:36:05    2224824

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Yerra we'll turn up anyway and give it a lash.

It's been a privilege this year to follow this exciting young side and see the promise of golden days ahead with the likes of Clifford and Seanie O leading our line for the next decade.

What people outside Kerry might not appreciate it that we've effectively created a new team within two years.
How many of those that graced Croke Park yesterday were on the pitch for the 2017 drawn semi against Mayo?
Here's you answer: 6, that's some turnover.

Keane and Tommy coming in and getting these lads to the final in their first year on the sideline is a massive, massive achievement.

Whatever comes in 3 weeks, they've done Kerry proud.

And sure there's been quiet a few young Kerry teams who have done special things on the biggest day over the years :)"
Perhaps Kerry could repeat the feats of the 1955 team. My Dad was from Kerry and he kept all the newspapers from the following Monday. Apparently Dublin were favourites but a young Kerry team defeated them. Guys like Kevin Heffernan and Snitchy Ferguson were playing for the Dubs back then.
RTE didn't start filming All-Irelands until the 1960s but there is some wonderful footage on youtube of this match.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1208 - 12/08/2019 18:38:05    2224826

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Replying To KY4SAM2015:  "Yes maybe so but will not get shorter then 7/2, 4/1 which is still the highest odds i can remember for us. In 2009 i think we were 3/1 against Dublin but im not fully sure."
The best odds in recent years was Donegal at 9\1 to defeat Dublin in 2014.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1208 - 12/08/2019 18:40:17    2224827

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I expect Dublin to come on in their usual fashion. They are favourites for a reason. They deserve respect. They already have it.

As for us, we need to be better. It's that simple. Stronger and more disciplined at the back. More assertive in the middle. Willing to attack in waves and with confidence. If they do that then we'll have a game to remember.

While I know it is virtually a religion for some on here to bad mouth the opposition and to belly ache until the cows come home, I'm not into that, thanks for asking. Our team has some future ahead of them. This Dublin team is rightly on the cusp of making history. We will do everything we can to best them- and any real Dublin fan wouldn't have it any other way, would they?!

plike (Kerry) - Posts: 541 - 12/08/2019 18:53:09    2224835

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