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Certainly would have been for a Meath man alright. Painful as well I should imagine.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 11/08/2019 21:43:24 2224310 Link 10 |
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I gave McGuinness' record with a lesser squad and county setup as a reason why I think he'd win with Dublin. Yes, I think Harte would. As well as winning 3 in the 00s. . . . he's gotten Tyrone to a final this decade and plenty of semi finals, all without a top class forward in the county. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 11/08/2019 22:08:24 2224319 Link 0 |
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It would be painful if it was a county like Kildare doing what you are doing. They are on a pretty equal footing to us across different metrics. Nobody in Meath is feeling too down about a province with 7 times our population, 30 times our funding this century and far more registered players dominating. Not to mention far bigger sponsorship money, better facilities and resources available. It's like a Wolves fan feeling down because Man City are winning the league. Keep convincing yourself that we are though. Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 12/08/2019 01:22:01 2224408 Link 10 |
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Yeah it would be like Meath beating Carlow I suppose. You just don't see Carlow people on here incessantly whinging about Meath's advantages over them though. Funny you didn't have a problem with your mismatched fixture against Carlow, almost triple scores I think in the end.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 12/08/2019 22:09:44 2224933 Link 13 |
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If it's all down to population why isn't China winning the World Cup? Massive amounts of money has gone into promoting soccer in China but they may never win the ultimate prize. How come New Zealand population of 4.7 million can compete with and defeat France, with a population of 67 million? Answers on a postcard please. avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 12/08/2019 22:20:48 2224939 Link 10 |
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Poor Meath. 4 points in a Leinster final. Anyway, I'm not seeing a lot of talk about the weakest counties. Sligo, Wicklow, and Antrim. London as well. Since the topic of reform is so popular right now. We should start with the League. Reduce the number of divisions down to three and spread the games out over the year. The players for Div 3 and 4 counties are proud of their League titles so the GAA should give them the respect they deserve by having dedicated coverage for all divisions. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 12/08/2019 22:57:54 2224948 Link 0 |
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Carlow were missing key players they couldn't afford to be without. Also had their best player sent off for a moment of madness. We beat Ofally by 2 points 2 weeks previous and in reality should have lost. Carlow also drew with us a few years ago and beat Kildare recently. The reality is the championship would be very exciting without the province which competes under the guise of a county. I've seen AFL matches in the flesh down under and I'd argue your lot are ahead of them in all but wages.
Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 12/08/2019 23:11:29 2224956 Link 8 |
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I think we all appreciate a once in a generation team - Kerry in the 80's, Meath in the 90's' Kerry / Tyrone / Armagh in the noughties, but all of these teams had their 4-5 years and then had to rebuild. There is no sign of this with Dublin they are stronger now than in 2015, the 2015 starting line up has lost Brogan*2, O carrol, Connolly, Bastick, Flynn - buckets of all stars between them but are now stronger. ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 12/08/2019 23:59:00 2224973 Link 0 |
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*In Rugby.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 13/08/2019 00:43:54 2224978 Link 7 |
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Maybe because soccer isn't their main sport? The Chinese Super League only started in 2004 They're one of the higgest winners of Olympic medals. So whats your point? New Zeland the country where Rugby is the national sport? Where is has top class coaching etc for its players from a young age? So again your point? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 13/08/2019 08:52:14 2225009 Link 1 |
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Gaa isn't the main sport in Dublin
hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 13/08/2019 09:10:04 2225014 Link 3 |
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There are 395 , 000 registered Rugby players in France; there are 160,00 registered in New Zealand. Soccer is gaining huge popularity in China. This is taken from an article in Forbes. The World Cup this summer proved that as well: Chinese bought 40,000 tickets, according to FIFA, soccer's governing body-8,000 more tickets than the English. That number of sales to Chinese was the second biggest turnout from a non-qualifying team, only behind the USA. For TV viewership, China was No. 1 with 250 million people, or 20% of the country's population. (Compared to 150 million for Brazil, or 80% of the population, and 100 million for the USA, or 40% of the population). QED avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 13/08/2019 10:15:05 2225035 Link 7 |
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Dublin is a soccer city always was always will.be although the recent success of dub gaa has kids gravitating towards gaelic but this population stuff donesnt hold up ...I'm first to suggest that dub gaa has embarrassment of riches and advantages to population no really one of them here's why in dublin north side there are now officially more foreign nationals than local dubs who tend usually not play gaa bother north and south side soccer take huge proportion of players rugby basketball tennis u name it it's played there and they take from gaa ....fact is dub gaa community is quite small relative to population on top of that young players sometimes find it hard to break onto senior clubs because of a lot of migrant intercounty standard players taking their place .....now if u live in Kilkenny the population is quite small in comparison but kids there with few exceptions want to play hurling and hurling only or kerry for football and I belive that's a much bigger advantage when you have one county the whole county pulling in the one direction for one sport and the roll of honour reflects this point .......but hey dubs that not s free pass ye still got great advantages it's time people starting accepting that too Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 13/08/2019 10:46:07 2225051 Link 2 |
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Terrible examples used there. China have never been a soccer powerhouse and probably never will be. Soccer is the most popular sport in the world (not China) and all the best players play in the best leagues in Europe. Pretty sure there isn't too many Chinese players playing in Europe's top leagues. The best players in China are not even Chinese as the clubs there spend a fortune on average foreign players in order to try and improve the league and create more interest. On the other hand GAA is the most popular sport in Ireland and Dublin have always been a powerhouse in football. There is more money pumped into the growth of GAA than any other sport in Ireland and as we all know a large bulk of that ends up in Dublin. With this extra funding Dublin can tap into their massive population in order to increase their playing numbers. They put into action a great plan on how to increase their numbers in 2005 and have reaped the rewards in the last decade. I think using Kilkenny hurlers is a better comparison with New Zealand rugby. Hurling is a religion in Kilkenny as rugby in New Zealand. Playing participation % to the population of those places are through the roof compared to other counties or countries. French rugby have also diluted their game by having as many foreigners playing in the super 14 as French qualified players. I think a lot of people forget the base line of where Dublin football has come from. It wasn't low, they were always there or there abouts and this was without any proper games development plan in place. Since 2005 with the assistance of the large amounts of financial funding and excellence strategic planning they have used the advantage of their population to great effect and increased the playing pool massively. Increasing the playing pool in an already traditionally strong footballing county is obviously going to have a positive effect on the senior county team. The hurling team will also continue to improve but is coming from a much lower base. People can say this is temporary all they want and point to Cork beating Dublin in the under 20's a few weeks ago etc. Dublin will still get a few players from that team and are less likely to lose their younger talent than other counties because of college and work commitments etc. but Dublin aren't going anywhere and we will be relying on freakish teams from other counties to come through to challenge them and maybe beat them once in a while in order to keep the intercounty game alive. Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 13/08/2019 11:48:45 2225073 Link 2 |
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ALL-IRELAND FOOTBALL FINAL REFEREE CHESELDORMAY (Longford) - Posts: 31 - 13/08/2019 12:30:55 2225090 Link 0 |
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If you look back at the post I was responding to you'll see that I was making the point that it is not all about population size. That was simply my point. Gaelic football is not the biggest sport in Dublin, especially on the Southside of the city.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 13/08/2019 12:48:56 2225096 Link 7 |
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He is right though, There is no way David Gough should be refereeing Dublin in an all Ireland final. There is already enough scrutiny on referees before a game, especially the biggest one of all, without the added pressure of living in one of the counties involved and everything that comes with that I would disagree with EF in that I actually don't think DG is very good, but he is clearly in the running and is likely to get the gig. Its totally unfair on Gough, he is in a no win situation. Give Dublin a few handy frees and youll get the Dublin Dave nonsense forever and ever, IF he gave Kerry a few handy ones youd have Dubs saying he is giving Kerry handy ones so that no one can blame him of Dublin bias. Ridiculous situation truth be told. If he was living In Meath, it wouldn't be as big an issue - after all, Cormac Reilly from Donore, Co.Meath, refereed the 2013 semi final between Dublin and Kerry - Don't remember a huge fuss back then, fast forward to 2015 and there was a huge talking point about Coldrick (from Meath, living in Dublin like DG) FWIW - I don't believe referees will go out with anything other than having a good game and I believe whoever gets the job of any game will be completely impartial (maybe im naïve) - but its unbelievable that the refereeing body will throw fuel onto the fire by pressing ahead with these kind of appointments. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 13/08/2019 12:55:22 2225099 Link 8 |
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Fitzmaurice's comments are way out of order. Just by saying that it makes the referee's life impossible. It's absolute nonsense too. Half the bloody country works in Dublin! I work in Dublin and my colleagues are from just about every county in Ireland, including Kerry. I doubt Dublin fans would be expecting any freebies off a Meath referee of all people. HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 13/08/2019 13:00:11 2225102 Link 0 |
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Someone mentioned that Gough is living and working in Dublin? If that is correct then I think Fitzmaurice is valid in the point he makes...do you think a Cork ref who is living in Killarney for the last 10 years would be considered for the All Ireland final - not a chance. I agree with your point tho that the ref for the final should be from Connaught or Ulster.
blacknamber (Kerry) - Posts: 267 - 13/08/2019 13:06:01 2225104 Link 0 |
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You are right to an extent. It's not all about population. As you people have said here for ages, Dublin always had the population advantage. It was the investment that was the key and investment + population is proving to be a potent mix. Throw in home pitches etc and It goes to another level. I don't know enough about rugby or chinese soccer to argue your points. But I would ask you how you would explain the fact that in your own county, north county Dublin is almost a wasteland in terms of club football? I realise that the club scene is not your strong point btw. Has John Horan's blue army of volunteers not reached those areas yet or could it be down to numbers and resources, as unlikely as you seem to think that would be? Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 13/08/2019 13:11:12 2225107 Link 0 |