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Cork V Roscommon

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Not a lot being said hear on this...

After Cork's fantastic U20 win today it's safe to the say that there could be an upturn coming in their fortunes at senior level. A win tomorrow against a genuine top 10 side, would round off a good weekend. Roscommon will too want to win. There may be a bit of bite about this one yet.

CornAghais91 (Dublin) - Posts: 126 - 03/08/2019 23:23:46    2220367

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Replying To CornAghais91:  "Not a lot being said hear on this...

After Cork's fantastic U20 win today it's safe to the say that there could be an upturn coming in their fortunes at senior level. A win tomorrow against a genuine top 10 side, would round off a good weekend. Roscommon will too want to win. There may be a bit of bite about this one yet."
I think it's natural that this game has not been talked about given the dead rubber. I think whichever team is motivated most to win this dead rubber will do so. I think Cork need it more. Roscommon have already had a good year no matter what happens today. The players have a Connacht winners medal and will feel in good shape and well motivated once league starts to go again, as they know they can compete at the top.
Cork on the other hand have nothing to show for the year and a win will at least give the players something to build from next year.

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 04/08/2019 10:34:08    2220458

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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "I think it's natural that this game has not been talked about given the dead rubber. I think whichever team is motivated most to win this dead rubber will do so. I think Cork need it more. Roscommon have already had a good year no matter what happens today. The players have a Connacht winners medal and will feel in good shape and well motivated once league starts to go again, as they know they can compete at the top.
Cork on the other hand have nothing to show for the year and a win will at least give the players something to build from next year."
Unfortunately, the real Cork appeared today, prepared to play a challenge match. Roscommon came to win and that is why they won. Cork footballers will get the support when they deserve it. Today they showed nothing to deserve it.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 643 - 04/08/2019 20:28:06    2220829

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Handy win, ref kept it interesting
He should not be involved at this level
Cork 1 -02 to no score up after 3 minutes but were very ordinary after that.

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1764 - 04/08/2019 21:41:14    2220882

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Brilliant Roscommon support there today, just like the day Roscommon destroyed out score difference and sent us down into division 2. Pity the weather was so terrible this time.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 643 - 04/08/2019 23:38:31    2220943

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Cork, Roscommon and Meath are nowhere near the level required for the Super 8s and were cannon fodder. The Super 8s should be disbanded and brought back to the old quarter final format. Roscommon haven't won a straight knockout match in the All Ireland series since 1980. Not much point exposing them to hammerings year in year out. They are clearly not at this level as they yo yo up and down the divisions every year

kingdomfan (Kerry) - Posts: 393 - 05/08/2019 07:38:26    2220971

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Replying To kingdomfan:  "Cork, Roscommon and Meath are nowhere near the level required for the Super 8s and were cannon fodder. The Super 8s should be disbanded and brought back to the old quarter final format. Roscommon haven't won a straight knockout match in the All Ireland series since 1980. Not much point exposing them to hammerings year in year out. They are clearly not at this level as they yo yo up and down the divisions every year"
That's a bit harsh on Roscommon.The only hammering we got in 6 championship games this year was against Dublin when we were down to 14 men for a lot of the game.We'll see how Mayo do against the Dubs next Saturday.Roscommon have a young team and Anthony Cunningham ,in his first year as Manager,has acknowledged that Ros need to move up to a higher level to be competitive against Dublin in Croke Park.I wouldn't be so dismissive of Cork and Meath either.When some of those U20s come through for Cork,the rebels will seriously threaten Kerry in Munster.The arrogance of some Kerry posters here is breathtaking at times.Dublin are about to do what Kerry never did-5 in a row.Enjoy and don't be so dismissive of other counties' hopes and ambitions.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2164 - 05/08/2019 10:43:07    2221014

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Replying To kingdomfan:  "Cork, Roscommon and Meath are nowhere near the level required for the Super 8s and were cannon fodder. The Super 8s should be disbanded and brought back to the old quarter final format. Roscommon haven't won a straight knockout match in the All Ireland series since 1980. Not much point exposing them to hammerings year in year out. They are clearly not at this level as they yo yo up and down the divisions every year"
2 all ireland finalists in our group again
Ull see proper hammerings this weekend with both ur teams on end of them.
Mayo and kerry not good enough to be in last 4

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1764 - 05/08/2019 11:54:37    2221051

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Replying To endgame:  "That's a bit harsh on Roscommon.The only hammering we got in 6 championship games this year was against Dublin when we were down to 14 men for a lot of the game.We'll see how Mayo do against the Dubs next Saturday.Roscommon have a young team and Anthony Cunningham ,in his first year as Manager,has acknowledged that Ros need to move up to a higher level to be competitive against Dublin in Croke Park.I wouldn't be so dismissive of Cork and Meath either.When some of those U20s come through for Cork,the rebels will seriously threaten Kerry in Munster.The arrogance of some Kerry posters here is breathtaking at times.Dublin are about to do what Kerry never did-5 in a row.Enjoy and don't be so dismissive of other counties' hopes and ambitions."
I'd have to agree with what you are saying here and maybe add some too.

I think Roscommon deserves great credit for how 2019 has gone for them. When you consider; the late appointment of (the excellent) Anthony Cunningham, robbing them some valuable pre season planning time; the fact that the panel was vastly overhauled and that the 2019 model is a lot different to the 2018 model; unlucky to be relegated this year; Connacht champions beating Mayo and Galway; ran Tyrone a perennial top 4 side in recent years to 4 points.

The defeat to Dublin is not a blemish. Indeed the manager acknowledges the gap there and has identified factors like conditioning as part of the difference and he knows that the work to be done cannot be done overnight. Roscommon are in my opinion a genuine top 6 side. There is work to be done, but why can't they improve and aim higher?

The Kerry arrogance, I agree with you. If there was backdoors and super 8s 20 odd years ago Kerry would of being regularly losing Super 8 games, if indeed they got there. Tyrone, Down, Galway, Mayo, Cork, Meath, Dublin, Kildare, Offaly where all better or as good as Kerry then. Kerry didn't win an AI knockout game from 1986 to 1997. Yes there are traditionally stronger counties, but all these are cyclical. This Dublin team too, it won't last forever. They are a special, uniquely talented bunch, dedicated, hardworking, humble good guys. This grates hugely with a section of the Kerry faithful and they throw a lot of mud at Dublin, just like this poster has done with Roscommon.

I hope and expect to see Roscommon bounce back up to Div 1 next year and by whatever means they arrive in the Super 8 I fully expect that they will be creditably challenging for one of those last four spots.

CornAghais91 (Dublin) - Posts: 126 - 05/08/2019 12:31:11    2221075

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Replying To kingdomfan:  "Cork, Roscommon and Meath are nowhere near the level required for the Super 8s and were cannon fodder. The Super 8s should be disbanded and brought back to the old quarter final format. Roscommon haven't won a straight knockout match in the All Ireland series since 1980. Not much point exposing them to hammerings year in year out. They are clearly not at this level as they yo yo up and down the divisions every year"
Gotta love these trolls on here seeking attention.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3755 - 05/08/2019 13:47:32    2221111

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Replying To CornAghais91:  "I'd have to agree with what you are saying here and maybe add some too.

I think Roscommon deserves great credit for how 2019 has gone for them. When you consider; the late appointment of (the excellent) Anthony Cunningham, robbing them some valuable pre season planning time; the fact that the panel was vastly overhauled and that the 2019 model is a lot different to the 2018 model; unlucky to be relegated this year; Connacht champions beating Mayo and Galway; ran Tyrone a perennial top 4 side in recent years to 4 points.

The defeat to Dublin is not a blemish. Indeed the manager acknowledges the gap there and has identified factors like conditioning as part of the difference and he knows that the work to be done cannot be done overnight. Roscommon are in my opinion a genuine top 6 side. There is work to be done, but why can't they improve and aim higher?

The Kerry arrogance, I agree with you. If there was backdoors and super 8s 20 odd years ago Kerry would of being regularly losing Super 8 games, if indeed they got there. Tyrone, Down, Galway, Mayo, Cork, Meath, Dublin, Kildare, Offaly where all better or as good as Kerry then. Kerry didn't win an AI knockout game from 1986 to 1997. Yes there are traditionally stronger counties, but all these are cyclical. This Dublin team too, it won't last forever. They are a special, uniquely talented bunch, dedicated, hardworking, humble good guys. This grates hugely with a section of the Kerry faithful and they throw a lot of mud at Dublin, just like this poster has done with Roscommon.

I hope and expect to see Roscommon bounce back up to Div 1 next year and by whatever means they arrive in the Super 8 I fully expect that they will be creditably challenging for one of those last four spots."
Through a lot of the muck posting on here you can still find some gems. Well done CornAghais91 one of the best and most accurate posts I have seen written about us.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3755 - 05/08/2019 13:53:43    2221113

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Replying To OhtobeARossie:  "2 all ireland finalists in our group again
Ull see proper hammerings this weekend with both ur teams on end of them.
Mayo and kerry not good enough to be in last 4"
Having a go at Mayo is behaving in the same manner as Kingdom.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 05/08/2019 19:20:32    2221275

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Roscommon should (statistically) beat Cork maybe once in every 20 games. The population of Cork is nearly 8 and a half times that of Roscommon. It was great to see Corks U20s win at the weekend as I think football needs a strong Cork, but there should still be room there for minnows like Roscommon who play a lovely brand of football. Counties like Cavan, Roscommon, Armagh, Sligo, Offaly, Kildare etc. haven't tasted success for a long time at National level but still commit themselves year in year out in trying to win Sam. And why not, yes, its going to be more difficult than in the 60's, 70's,80's and 90's but there will be minnows winning AIs in the future so why not Roscommon. Cork are simply too lazy, as Tommy Tiernan said "I'm from Cork, I'm great..." that kind of arrogance has resulted in Cork under-performing in both Football and Hurling for the last 15 years. Cork used to be perennial semi-finalists, finalists in football, now they are the whipping boys, even lowly Roscommon can travel to Cork and feel confident of beating them. Maybe they need to learn a bit of humility and accept that just because they are from Cork that they are not necessarily great....

If I was a betting man, I would actually bet that Roscommon would win a Football All-Ireland before Cork do next. Cork is the 3rd most populous county in Ireland and Roscommon is the 27th most populous.

Cork, get your act together.

Hoofhearted (Australia) - Posts: 49 - 06/08/2019 01:05:09    2221407

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Replying To Hoofhearted:  "Roscommon should (statistically) beat Cork maybe once in every 20 games. The population of Cork is nearly 8 and a half times that of Roscommon. It was great to see Corks U20s win at the weekend as I think football needs a strong Cork, but there should still be room there for minnows like Roscommon who play a lovely brand of football. Counties like Cavan, Roscommon, Armagh, Sligo, Offaly, Kildare etc. haven't tasted success for a long time at National level but still commit themselves year in year out in trying to win Sam. And why not, yes, its going to be more difficult than in the 60's, 70's,80's and 90's but there will be minnows winning AIs in the future so why not Roscommon. Cork are simply too lazy, as Tommy Tiernan said "I'm from Cork, I'm great..." that kind of arrogance has resulted in Cork under-performing in both Football and Hurling for the last 15 years. Cork used to be perennial semi-finalists, finalists in football, now they are the whipping boys, even lowly Roscommon can travel to Cork and feel confident of beating them. Maybe they need to learn a bit of humility and accept that just because they are from Cork that they are not necessarily great....

If I was a betting man, I would actually bet that Roscommon would win a Football All-Ireland before Cork do next. Cork is the 3rd most populous county in Ireland and Roscommon is the 27th most populous.

Cork, get your act together."
Lowly Roscommon.? What do you mean.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2164 - 06/08/2019 19:31:49    2221824

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Replying To Hoofhearted:  "Roscommon should (statistically) beat Cork maybe once in every 20 games. The population of Cork is nearly 8 and a half times that of Roscommon. It was great to see Corks U20s win at the weekend as I think football needs a strong Cork, but there should still be room there for minnows like Roscommon who play a lovely brand of football. Counties like Cavan, Roscommon, Armagh, Sligo, Offaly, Kildare etc. haven't tasted success for a long time at National level but still commit themselves year in year out in trying to win Sam. And why not, yes, its going to be more difficult than in the 60's, 70's,80's and 90's but there will be minnows winning AIs in the future so why not Roscommon. Cork are simply too lazy, as Tommy Tiernan said "I'm from Cork, I'm great..." that kind of arrogance has resulted in Cork under-performing in both Football and Hurling for the last 15 years. Cork used to be perennial semi-finalists, finalists in football, now they are the whipping boys, even lowly Roscommon can travel to Cork and feel confident of beating them. Maybe they need to learn a bit of humility and accept that just because they are from Cork that they are not necessarily great....

If I was a betting man, I would actually bet that Roscommon would win a Football All-Ireland before Cork do next. Cork is the 3rd most populous county in Ireland and Roscommon is the 27th most populous.

Cork, get your act together."
silly stats......and China should beat the Netherlands in the soccer

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 06/08/2019 20:03:05    2221846

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Football in cork is about 4th atm behind hurling soccer rugby in counties like rossies you have two options play football or play football.........the fact is most of corks football elite come from west cork or (east kerry men) i call them .....cork have now the underage academies in place a new manifesto and the resources to back it up we are beginning to see fruits of that at this present time at underage and I'm sure in to the senior ranks very shortly indeed

Hitnhurl (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 06/08/2019 20:34:29    2221867

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Replying To Hitnhurl:  "Football in cork is about 4th atm behind hurling soccer rugby in counties like rossies you have two options play football or play football.........the fact is most of corks football elite come from west cork or (east kerry men) i call them .....cork have now the underage academies in place a new manifesto and the resources to back it up we are beginning to see fruits of that at this present time at underage and I'm sure in to the senior ranks very shortly indeed"
We have lost a good number of county standard players to rugby.

Underage success of this year for Cork is not something new, after all Cork won 5 of the last 7 Munster U21 titles and that was a competition you could get more out of than that current and replacement U20 level. Nurturing underage age players for the step up to senior level is key and it helps when senior team has a good management team in place to make underage talent become established senior footballers.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3755 - 06/08/2019 21:09:51    2221897

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