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Replying To LovelyHurling94: "To say that I'm not a massive fan of Donal Og would be putting it mildly but I think this was more a dig at Sunday game pundits and people in the media who criticised his tactics when he was involved with Clare rather than a dig at Kilkenny. He has taken plenty of digs at Kilkenny over the years so he's certainly not above it but I didn't take this as a case of one personally. Not that I think what he said was nothing other than pure tripe. "The last remenants of British culture on these islands" Christ give me strength, the man seems to forget that we all speak English, play and watch soccer, rugby etc and watch British TV. I don't think Ireland will ever not have a certain amount of British culture. This was a massive case of self indulgence on his part. There was hardly any analysis of some of the important moment from the weekend. The imo dodgy penalty for Lim, the red card Buckley should have gotten, the disallowed goals for Tipp etc which were all critical moments in their respective matches and very little about the fantastic performances from the likes of Padraig Walsh TJ, the Mahers Noels Mcgrath etc which is what they should have been talking about. Twas honestly the worst Sunday game I can remember watching" Exactly.
I'm so used to him taking digs at KK i thought it was one as he was sickened KK and Tipp were in the all ireland. I felt he just didn't want to analyse the games.
But fair point.
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Replying To catch22: "Bit of publicity and now he's interested in the Cork job." IMO they should give it to him. One of two things will happen he's a success or he'll fail. If it's the latter we might not have to put up with him again in the media etc So really it's a win win
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Far better pundits out there. I'd nearly rather see Ger, Cyril and Tomas Mulcahy back then see him on it again.
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Replying To perfect10: "Far better pundits out there. I'd nearly rather see Ger, Cyril and Tomas Mulcahy back then see him on it again.
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ah now steady on,the game has moved on from breaking a hurl across someone being good manly play....." Regardless. You always got a laugh out of them and they didn't take themselves too seriously. And they could analyse well enough.
The panels are humourless these days with a token female thrown in at live games and the night shows often too.
BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 01/08/2019 22:26:32
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Replying To LovelyHurling94: "To say that I'm not a massive fan of Donal Og would be putting it mildly but I think this was more a dig at Sunday game pundits and people in the media who criticised his tactics when he was involved with Clare rather than a dig at Kilkenny. He has taken plenty of digs at Kilkenny over the years so he's certainly not above it but I didn't take this as a case of one personally. Not that I think what he said was nothing other than pure tripe. "The last remenants of British culture on these islands" Christ give me strength, the man seems to forget that we all speak English, play and watch soccer, rugby etc and watch British TV. I don't think Ireland will ever not have a certain amount of British culture. This was a massive case of self indulgence on his part. There was hardly any analysis of some of the important moment from the weekend. The imo dodgy penalty for Lim, the red card Buckley should have gotten, the disallowed goals for Tipp etc which were all critical moments in their respective matches and very little about the fantastic performances from the likes of Padraig Walsh TJ, the Mahers Noels Mcgrath etc which is what they should have been talking about. Twas honestly the worst Sunday game I can remember watching" Agreed, LovelyHurling94. Little or no attempt was made on the Sunday Game to discuss two superb games of hurling. Most people, I think, would have wanted them to highlight in particular some brilliant passages of play by all four teams, and It is insulting to imply that all we wanted to hear was criticism of refereeing decisions.Instead we had Cusack (and McGrath) abusing their positions to get a load of personal stuff off their chests, with a lot of help from Des Cahill. Cusack's subsequent attempt to justify his rant serves only to emphasise his arrogance, something which makes him totally unsuitable as an analyst. Maybe we should all lobby the Cork County Board and persuade them to appoint Cusack as their next manager. We would then see how good he is at implementing his ideas, and at least it would get him off the Sunday Game.
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Replying To BliainanÁir: " Replying To perfect10: "Far better pundits out there. I'd nearly rather see Ger, Cyril and Tomas Mulcahy back then see him on it again.
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ah now steady on,the game has moved on from breaking a hurl across someone being good manly play....." Regardless. You always got a laugh out of them and they didn't take themselves too seriously. And they could analyse well enough. The panels are humourless these days with a token female thrown in at live games and the night shows often too."
Can't stand Cusack, the lad's got more axes to grind than Paul Bunyon.
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 01/08/2019 23:28:32
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Boards.ie is far better for GAA analysis than this site from a lot of viewpoints. Much more civil and fun.
BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 01/08/2019 23:47:59
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I thought Donal Og's view was very simple and a lot of the negative comments were more out of dislike to him than his comments.
I think the point he was trying to make is that English international soccer and rugby teams haven't evolved as much as their global contemporaries and that GAA teams have been very slow to change too. I think he was trying to say it is a legacy of being under British rule that we are stuck in a similar mindset.
I can see where he is coming from. Our national soccer teams has mainly played caveman football for the last 30 years. Our rugby team has been mainly conservative in its style of play too up to about 10 years ago. English international soccer and rugby teams aren't know for their attractive or innovative style of play.
Before Tyrone and Micky Harte came on Feb scene in 2002, McGuinness in 2011, Davy Fitz and Derek McGrath more recently, hurling and football teams have more or less lined up with six backs, two midfielders, and six forwards for as long as I can remember. Revolutionary tactics back in the day was dropping a forward into midfield in football or a forward back as a 7th back in hurling ( Alan Markham for Clare during Dalo's time as manager).
Whether conservative, traditional tactics is a legacy of British rule or not, it has definitely been the status quo for the most part in hurling and Gaelic football.
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Replying To BliainanÁir: "Boards.ie is far better for GAA analysis than this site from a lot of viewpoints. Much more civil and fun." Do the posters there trade in stereotypes like yourself? If you prefer boards.ie why don't you go there and save yourself the irritation.
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Seems to be lots of scores being settled amongst the hurling fraternity, Loughnane has entered the ring in his daily star column. Great fun in the absence of meaningful hurling in the high season for it.
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Replying To Killarney.87: "I thought Donal Og's view was very simple and a lot of the negative comments were more out of dislike to him than his comments.
I think the point he was trying to make is that English international soccer and rugby teams haven't evolved as much as their global contemporaries and that GAA teams have been very slow to change too. I think he was trying to say it is a legacy of being under British rule that we are stuck in a similar mindset.
I can see where he is coming from. Our national soccer teams has mainly played caveman football for the last 30 years. Our rugby team has been mainly conservative in its style of play too up to about 10 years ago. English international soccer and rugby teams aren't know for their attractive or innovative style of play.
Before Tyrone and Micky Harte came on Feb scene in 2002, McGuinness in 2011, Davy Fitz and Derek McGrath more recently, hurling and football teams have more or less lined up with six backs, two midfielders, and six forwards for as long as I can remember. Revolutionary tactics back in the day was dropping a forward into midfield in football or a forward back as a 7th back in hurling ( Alan Markham for Clare during Dalo's time as manager).
Whether conservative, traditional tactics is a legacy of British rule or not, it has definitely been the status quo for the most part in hurling and Gaelic football." Yes I got all that from him, but he was praising the teams with systems, the teams who have not succeeded with it. In fact he is berating hurling conservatives when they are the teams with the choke hold on success. In fact if he wasn't so full of himself he might have listened to "boring" Cummins explain how Tipp and KK circumvented and defeated the innovators etc etc. If Donal wants to be a sporting intellectual he should take up speed chess. Some people waffle, over complicate and ultimately fail, because shock horror teams with best players and best teams usually win.
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Replying To ballydalane: " Replying To BliainanÁir: "[quote=perfect10: "Far better pundits out there. I'd nearly rather see Ger, Cyril and Tomas Mulcahy back then see him on it again.
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ah now steady on,the game has moved on from breaking a hurl across someone being good manly play....." Regardless. You always got a laugh out of them and they didn't take themselves too seriously. And they could analyse well enough. The panels are humourless these days with a token female thrown in at live games and the night shows often too."
Can't stand Cusack, the lad's got more axes to grind than Paul Bunyon."]And more chips against the world than Super Macs.
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Replying To Killarney.87: "I thought Donal Og's view was very simple and a lot of the negative comments were more out of dislike to him than his comments.
I think the point he was trying to make is that English international soccer and rugby teams haven't evolved as much as their global contemporaries and that GAA teams have been very slow to change too. I think he was trying to say it is a legacy of being under British rule that we are stuck in a similar mindset.
I can see where he is coming from. Our national soccer teams has mainly played caveman football for the last 30 years. Our rugby team has been mainly conservative in its style of play too up to about 10 years ago. English international soccer and rugby teams aren't know for their attractive or innovative style of play.
Before Tyrone and Micky Harte came on Feb scene in 2002, McGuinness in 2011, Davy Fitz and Derek McGrath more recently, hurling and football teams have more or less lined up with six backs, two midfielders, and six forwards for as long as I can remember. Revolutionary tactics back in the day was dropping a forward into midfield in football or a forward back as a 7th back in hurling ( Alan Markham for Clare during Dalo's time as manager).
Whether conservative, traditional tactics is a legacy of British rule or not, it has definitely been the status quo for the most part in hurling and Gaelic football." Normally I find you a sensible poster. But if you can see where Donal Og is coming from with his "remnants of British culture" comment I think, like him, you are on a different planet to most of us! It would have made as much sense had he blamed the Catholic Church for the conservatism of hurling (it would have been less of an imaginative leap actually!!) It's a wonder he didn't, come to think of it!
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Replying To arock: "Yes I got all that from him, but he was praising the teams with systems, the teams who have not succeeded with it. In fact he is berating hurling conservatives when they are the teams with the choke hold on success. In fact if he wasn't so full of himself he might have listened to "boring" Cummins explain how Tipp and KK circumvented and defeated the innovators etc etc. If Donal wants to be a sporting intellectual he should take up speed chess. Some people waffle, over complicate and ultimately fail, because shock horror teams with best players and best teams usually win." Yeah that is the big stick that the advocates of the sweeper is being beaten with. I am guessing that is why Cusack and McGrath came out all guns blazing in defence of the sweeper. They got the public mood horribly wrong and look like idiots because of it.
Hurling is way more tactical than just sweeper systems too. The Cork team Cusack played on were masters of the short accurate passing game, moving the ball quickly through the lines.
Cody loved using someone like Larkin as a hard working wing forward cum back who was like a box to box player in soccer. Kilkenny were also brilliant at the diagonal deliveries into Sheflin and co. from Tommy Walsh. Tipp copied that with Shane McGrath/ and Corbett. K
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Replying To Killarney.87: "I thought Donal Og's view was very simple and a lot of the negative comments were more out of dislike to him than his comments.
I think the point he was trying to make is that English international soccer and rugby teams haven't evolved as much as their global contemporaries and that GAA teams have been very slow to change too. I think he was trying to say it is a legacy of being under British rule that we are stuck in a similar mindset.
I can see where he is coming from. Our national soccer teams has mainly played caveman football for the last 30 years. Our rugby team has been mainly conservative in its style of play too up to about 10 years ago. English international soccer and rugby teams aren't know for their attractive or innovative style of play.
Before Tyrone and Micky Harte came on Feb scene in 2002, McGuinness in 2011, Davy Fitz and Derek McGrath more recently, hurling and football teams have more or less lined up with six backs, two midfielders, and six forwards for as long as I can remember. Revolutionary tactics back in the day was dropping a forward into midfield in football or a forward back as a 7th back in hurling ( Alan Markham for Clare during Dalo's time as manager).
Whether conservative, traditional tactics is a legacy of British rule or not, it has definitely been the status quo for the most part in hurling and Gaelic football." I don't know why he has to bring the poor British into it; Ireland, until recently, has been a largely rural, agricultural based society (we're still agri mind you, as it continues to top our GNP table), which makes for a conservative, slow to evolve society; that's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just typical of that kind of society. Whether that has anything to do with how the Gaelic games are played is up for debate, but dragging the poor aulde British into it is just daft.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with the generalisations about English soccer and rugby either to be honest. The English world cup winning team had a reputation for playing boring rugby and depending on Johnny Wilkenson's boot to win games off penalty kicks, but you're going back nearly 20 years for that comparison, and there is nothing boring about the English rugby that has proceeded from that, or existed before. And of course, his post completely ignores Welsh rugby and it's long tradition for flair, whatever about the recent accusations aimed at Warrenball.
Donal Óg's rant was an ill-informed, ahistoric, xenophobic rant that I would expect from the town bore after a few too many pints, or a Cork hurler of a certain period blinded by his own brilliance, and too fond of the sound of his own voice.
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Normally I find you a sensible poster. But if you can see where Donal Og is coming from with his "remnants of British culture" comment I think, like him, you are on a different planet to most of us! It would have made as much sense had he blamed the Catholic Church for the conservatism of hurling (it would have been less of an imaginative leap actually!!) It's a wonder he didn't, come to think of it!" I think he didn't communicate his point properly. What you are saying is how it was literally delivered by him.
What I think he was trying to say is that English sports teams are conservative and GAA teams are similar as a legacy of British rule.
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Replying To Killarney.87: "I think he didn't communicate his point properly. What you are saying is how it was literally delivered by him.
What I think he was trying to say is that English sports teams are conservative and GAA teams are similar as a legacy of British rule." Totally ridiculous statement by Donald Og. He needs to look up the meaning of analogy.
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Replying To Killarney.87: "I think he didn't communicate his point properly. What you are saying is how it was literally delivered by him.
What I think he was trying to say is that English sports teams are conservative and GAA teams are similar as a legacy of British rule." That's exactly the point he was making.
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People easily antagoised as usual his insightful left of centre view hurt the brains of the keep it simple brigade
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Replying To Hitnhurl: "People easily antagoised as usual his insightful left of centre view hurt the brains of the keep it simple brigade" "Left of center"?? His view expressed no view that could be described as left or right leaning in any way. Xenophobia doesn't care if the speaker is quoting from Mein Kampf or Das Kapital!
But I'll agree with you on one thing: he's definitely off center.
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