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What's with this man's agenda. His quip about the counties who prefer a more traditional approach to hurling being influenced by British culture seemed a thinly veiled dig at Kilkenny in particular. Who, whether they do or not, would be seen to play a traditional game. The old 'what did they do during the War of Independence' attitude is under the surface it seems. Tipp would be seen as a traditional hurling county too, but you can't really have a dig at them for inactivity 100 years ago.
Also it's a very narrow view of the struggle for Irish Independence over many years. Wexford had 1798. Kilkenny and Laois were the 2 most active counties in fighting against the collection of oppressive tithes to fund the Church of Ireland in the 1830s Tithe War. By the early 1900s counties like Laois and Kilkenny had successfully acquired land, for a large proportion of the population, under the various land acts and were relatively contented. Also these counties were full of RIC barracks, and small garrisoned towns in close proximity and so on. No large tracts of wild, mountainy, hilly land like West Cork. Also there was plenty of ambushes, road digging, rail destruction, telephone wire cutting etc in midland counties. Maybe not the spectacular ambushes and Tan killings like Kilmichael, Crossbarry etc.
Also Cork city was known as 'Royal Cork' at the turn of the 1900s. The city gave a tremendous welcome to Queen Victoria when she visited in 1900, red, white and blue and Union Jacks everywhere. The big change came about post 1916, conscription crisis, 1918 general election etc, as that change came about nationally. West Cork was always Fenian country. But no county can afford to have a cut off another with regards to 'Irishness'. Each has their own story to tell.
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You've completely missed his point, as bizarrely made as it was.
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Replying To BliainanÁir: "What's with this man's agenda. His quip about the counties who prefer a more traditional approach to hurling being influenced by British culture seemed a thinly veiled dig at Kilkenny in particular. Who, whether they do or not, would be seen to play a traditional game. The old 'what did they do during the War of Independence' attitude is under the surface it seems. Tipp would be seen as a traditional hurling county too, but you can't really have a dig at them for inactivity 100 years ago.
Also it's a very narrow view of the struggle for Irish Independence over many years. Wexford had 1798. Kilkenny and Laois were the 2 most active counties in fighting against the collection of oppressive tithes to fund the Church of Ireland in the 1830s Tithe War. By the early 1900s counties like Laois and Kilkenny had successfully acquired land, for a large proportion of the population, under the various land acts and were relatively contented. Also these counties were full of RIC barracks, and small garrisoned towns in close proximity and so on. No large tracts of wild, mountainy, hilly land like West Cork. Also there was plenty of ambushes, road digging, rail destruction, telephone wire cutting etc in midland counties. Maybe not the spectacular ambushes and Tan killings like Kilmichael, Crossbarry etc.
Also Cork city was known as 'Royal Cork' at the turn of the 1900s. The city gave a tremendous welcome to Queen Victoria when she visited in 1900, red, white and blue and Union Jacks everywhere. The big change came about post 1916, conscription crisis, 1918 general election etc, as that change came about nationally. West Cork was always Fenian country. But no county can afford to have a cut off another with regards to 'Irishness'. Each has their own story to tell." He was just talking through his rear end simple as that
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I was making a lovely toasted ham, cheese & cheese/onion post Heineken sandwich as the debate unfolded.
I just kept thinking 'let Brendan Cummins talk'!!
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Replying To joeteor: "You've completely missed his point, as bizarrely made as it was." Well what was it?
BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 31/07/2019 16:38:50
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Replying To BliainanÁir: "What's with this man's agenda. His quip about the counties who prefer a more traditional approach to hurling being influenced by British culture seemed a thinly veiled dig at Kilkenny in particular. Who, whether they do or not, would be seen to play a traditional game. The old 'what did they do during the War of Independence' attitude is under the surface it seems. Tipp would be seen as a traditional hurling county too, but you can't really have a dig at them for inactivity 100 years ago.
Also it's a very narrow view of the struggle for Irish Independence over many years. Wexford had 1798. Kilkenny and Laois were the 2 most active counties in fighting against the collection of oppressive tithes to fund the Church of Ireland in the 1830s Tithe War. By the early 1900s counties like Laois and Kilkenny had successfully acquired land, for a large proportion of the population, under the various land acts and were relatively contented. Also these counties were full of RIC barracks, and small garrisoned towns in close proximity and so on. No large tracts of wild, mountainy, hilly land like West Cork. Also there was plenty of ambushes, road digging, rail destruction, telephone wire cutting etc in midland counties. Maybe not the spectacular ambushes and Tan killings like Kilmichael, Crossbarry etc.
Also Cork city was known as 'Royal Cork' at the turn of the 1900s. The city gave a tremendous welcome to Queen Victoria when she visited in 1900, red, white and blue and Union Jacks everywhere. The big change came about post 1916, conscription crisis, 1918 general election etc, as that change came about nationally. West Cork was always Fenian country. But no county can afford to have a cut off another with regards to 'Irishness'. Each has their own story to tell." What are you talking about? Óg Cusack was not aiming any criticism at Kilkenny. Nor Tipp, however Tipp have successfully implemented a sweeper for years so don't get that point.
I don't know why he felt the need to say what he did. It just struck me as pure babble.
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As yous would say it yourselves down in hurling country... Unbeeleeevable...
Dessie_Cross (Armagh) - Posts: 142 - 31/07/2019 17:01:03
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I just thought it was a weird thing to say.
lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 31/07/2019 17:07:20
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Replying To BaldyBadger: "What are you talking about? Óg Cusack was not aiming any criticism at Kilkenny. Nor Tipp, however Tipp have successfully implemented a sweeper for years so don't get that point.
I don't know why he felt the need to say what he did. It just struck me as pure babble." He's clipping at Kilkenny for years. Stepford Wives, wouldn't help during strikes, use of spare arm.
In 2006 he rang Brian Corcoran for 3mts after the all ireland, everyday, wondering how they lost to an inferior side.
BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 31/07/2019 17:34:14
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Replying To joeteor: "You've completely missed his point, as bizarrely made as it was." Come on, what was his point?? Easy throw one line down.
Because his point definitely went beyond hurling and was describing some counties as being more 'West Brit' than others.
BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 31/07/2019 17:36:06
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If it's not the format or the presenters it's the panel members talking aul manure. Sure just give The Who thing to Sky and then it'll be grand. Jaysus , just another thing to whinge about.
What next , the outfits some of them wear are dodgy mind.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 31/07/2019 18:12:34
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It was a weird thing to say.
I think his point was that a fear of progress/deference to tradition was a legacy the British have passed on to Ireland
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 31/07/2019 18:32:17
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The key is to not listen to any analysts, just make up your own mind as to why the teams lost.
Donal Og was right though about criticism of Davy and Derek McGrath, the rest of it was waffle.
He might just have talked himself out of the Cork job!
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1733 - 31/07/2019 18:35:48
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He tries to come across as one of the deeper thinking analysts when in reality he is anything but. He comes across as very bitter individual with a number of axes to grind, for me his analysis is very poor, tries to be something that he is not capable of being. There are far better analysts of the game who can get to the point in a far more simpler & articulate way. He of all people should know about labelling people !
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 31/07/2019 19:00:51
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Donal Og must have changed his mind on his "Team Ulster" idea so then!
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Replying To BliainanÁir: "Come on, what was his point?? Easy throw one line down.
Because his point definitely went beyond hurling and was describing some counties as being more 'West Brit' than others." Thst's your interpretation of it . Others don't agree .
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 31/07/2019 19:23:32
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Replying To Whammo86: "It was a weird thing to say.
I think his point was that a fear of progress/deference to tradition was a legacy the British have passed on to Ireland" Exactly. But who are the people with such fears?
Definitely not Cork who brought in the short passing game. Or counties who brought in sweepers (or perceived to have done so). So it narrows it down quite a bit who he's hinting at. Cusack is implying certain traditionalists are more under the British influence if you like. Now to meKilkenny and her apologists like Michael Duignan, who he had a spat with, spring to mind.
I don't accept this ah he made a stupid comment as many are saying. Someone as well prepared as he is, back to taking on the Cork County Board in the 2000s is very much aware of every statement he makes and there's a point to it. You don't say something randomnly like that off the top of your head.
BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 31/07/2019 20:34:30
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Replying To moc.dna: "He tries to come across as one of the deeper thinking analysts when in reality he is anything but. He comes across as very bitter individual with a number of axes to grind, for me his analysis is very poor, tries to be something that he is not capable of being. There are far better analysts of the game who can get to the point in a far more simpler & articulate way. He of all people should know about labelling people !" That's a very accurate post. He certainly has axes to grind.
BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 31/07/2019 20:35:35
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Replying To catch22: "If it's not the format or the presenters it's the panel members talking aul manure. Sure just give The Who thing to Sky and then it'll be grand. Jaysus , just another thing to whinge about.
What next , the outfits some of them wear are dodgy mind." Look this is an open GAA forum. An analyst has said certain parts of the hurling community are influenced by 'John Bull' thinking. It's a pretty novel/bizarre one.
Who decides what we debate/discuss/chat about here. Is it you? Is it me? Yes to a certain degree,but at the end of the day the moderators allow a topic to be discussed and they deemed this one fit. There have been a lot more silly ones, in my opinion, posted on here.
Why is it a whinge? Are we not allowed say we don't like being insulted and called West Brit because we play a certain style of hurling?! We're paying a licence fee for to RTE to produce these shows.
I don't think a fella should be on a national gaelic games show who thinks he's a blue blood descended from Cuchulainn and can talk rubbish about other counties.
BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 31/07/2019 20:43:37
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Replying To BliainanÁir: "What's with this man's agenda. His quip about the counties who prefer a more traditional approach to hurling being influenced by British culture seemed a thinly veiled dig at Kilkenny in particular. Who, whether they do or not, would be seen to play a traditional game. The old 'what did they do during the War of Independence' attitude is under the surface it seems. Tipp would be seen as a traditional hurling county too, but you can't really have a dig at them for inactivity 100 years ago.
Also it's a very narrow view of the struggle for Irish Independence over many years. Wexford had 1798. Kilkenny and Laois were the 2 most active counties in fighting against the collection of oppressive tithes to fund the Church of Ireland in the 1830s Tithe War. By the early 1900s counties like Laois and Kilkenny had successfully acquired land, for a large proportion of the population, under the various land acts and were relatively contented. Also these counties were full of RIC barracks, and small garrisoned towns in close proximity and so on. No large tracts of wild, mountainy, hilly land like West Cork. Also there was plenty of ambushes, road digging, rail destruction, telephone wire cutting etc in midland counties. Maybe not the spectacular ambushes and Tan killings like Kilmichael, Crossbarry etc.
Also Cork city was known as 'Royal Cork' at the turn of the 1900s. The city gave a tremendous welcome to Queen Victoria when she visited in 1900, red, white and blue and Union Jacks everywhere. The big change came about post 1916, conscription crisis, 1918 general election etc, as that change came about nationally. West Cork was always Fenian country. But no county can afford to have a cut off another with regards to 'Irishness'. Each has their own story to tell." I am a Limerick man and have no connection whatsoever with Tipperary. But please do not accuse them of inactivity 100 years. This is the county of Dan Breen, Sean Treacy, Sean Hogan, Sean Robinson and Dinny Lacy and many. This is the land of Sologhead Beg and most of the men than won the battle at the Station of Knocklong. Anyway is there not there plenty wild mountainy land up around the Slieve Blooms.
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