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Kilkenny and Tipp Give Us A Traditional All Ireland Hurling Final

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Replying To tiobraid: "One thing I'm getting sick of hearing is that kk have psychologically the upper hand on tipp in recent times. Kk have beaten tipp in the last 10 years on the occasions they probably had the better hurlers. Tipp couldve won in 2014 had the right man took that free. Since 2009 in all Ireland's it's kk 3, tipp 2 and 1 draw. Came quite close to being in tipps favour. In the 3 finals kk won , tipp were close in 2 and played poorly in the other one and lost by 4. In general I think Tipp play their best games in finals. Kk haven't beaten tipp in cship hurling since a replayed all Ireland 5/6 seasons ago so the media and the general public could do with give us some good decent analysis instead of spouting rubbish! Rant over !!" Tipp do play well in Finals.The stats down the years absolutely bear that out.If Kilkenny win on Sunday,it'll be because they play very well and not because of a Tipp no show.I'd never bet against Cody and Kilkenny but I expect Tipp to win.! endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2183 - 16/08/2019 17:27:33 2226512 Link
Replying To Tipptipp: "No it's 2019" No arguing with that. festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 16/08/2019 21:49:56 2226613 Link
Kk team named tonight. E Murphy p Murphy Lawler, Holden, Fogarty, Walsh, Deegan, Browne, Buckley, Donnelly, TJ, Walter, Mullen, Fennelly, Hogan. As strong a team as he could name. Leahy better off the bench than starting. Wonder if Buckley is fully fit. We have to turn the game into a dogfight to win. The 2014 final was a shootout and we just about came out on top because we had enough weapons (JJ and Jackie in defence with Power and Larkin in attack). We tried to do the same thing in 16 and got our arses spanked. If we try to turn this match into a shootout we'll lose like we did in 2016 and I'll be disgusted. The only way we can win is to put Tipp into the mincer and see what comes out the other side. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 17/08/2019 00:30:07 2226658 Link
Replying To endgame: "Tipp do play well in Finals.The stats down the years absolutely bear that out.If Kilkenny win on Sunday,it'll be because they play very well and not because of a Tipp no show.I'd never bet against Cody and Kilkenny but I expect Tipp to win.!" Ditto. Tipp's record in finals bears this. On average approx 2 final wins for every 3 appearances. Some record. To be honest too much made of the Cody factor. Sheedy has plenty of nous as well. Kilkenny of course like Kerry in football can never be written off as they both have won all Ireland's in all types of situations over the decades but if I am to call it Tipp as more seasoned team overall. kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1947 - 17/08/2019 09:02:04 2226673 Link
Love this!! All this talk of mincing sets things up nicely. Roll on Sunday .... Ballydalane wrote: The only way we can win is to put Tipp into the mincer and see what comes out the other side slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 17/08/2019 09:29:52 2226685 Link
What are the chances of getting a ticket at the ground tomorrow? Never been to a hurling final and this looks like a good one for the neutrals. If it was sold out i wouldnt like to deny a hurling fan their space. Tipp to win by 5+ says the Cavan expert MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 17/08/2019 10:11:24 2226699 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "One thing I'm getting sick of hearing is that kk have psychologically the upper hand on tipp in recent times. Kk have beaten tipp in the last 10 years on the occasions they probably had the better hurlers. Tipp couldve won in 2014 had the right man took that free. Since 2009 in all Ireland's it's kk 3, tipp 2 and 1 draw. Came quite close to being in tipps favour. In the 3 finals kk won , tipp were close in 2 and played poorly in the other one and lost by 4. In general I think Tipp play their best games in finals. Kk haven't beaten tipp in cship hurling since a replayed all Ireland 5/6 seasons ago so the media and the general public could do with give us some good decent analysis instead of spouting rubbish! Rant over !!" How bad that the media are saying so. Wen you throw in the 2013 qualifier and semi finals Kilkenny's recent record against us is very dominant. I think that lifts it up to 7 championship wins during the Cody era. What I am trying to figure out is who has the better bench. Kilkenny definitely have the more experienced bench. Tipp might need a bit of a lead going into the last 20 mins. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 17/08/2019 10:20:48 2226705 Link
Replying To slayer: "Love this!! All this talk of mincing sets things up nicely. Roll on Sunday .... Ballydalane wrote: The only way we can win is to put Tipp into the mincer and see what comes out the other side" Metaphorically speaking of course! We can't let them play or we're dead, simple as. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 17/08/2019 10:44:20 2226713 Link
Tipp have been impressive all year except for the Munster final. For Kilkenny it has been a mixed enough year, remember there was a thread on here to the effect that Kilkenny were 4th in Leinster! They overcame Dublin, helped no doubt by the Galway comedian, intercepting a free that would have resulted in a free out had the ball gone to hand. Drew with Wexford and lost at home to Galway. They got to the Leinster final on score difference where they lost to the efficiency of Wexford. They blitzed Limerick early on yet just survived. When assessing form I tend to go with the more recent. Kilkenny could not beat Wexford twice in championship hurling and Tipperary while not getting the run of the green did beat Wexford. Yet Tipperary lost when silverware was at stake. I still feel that Tipperary had more of the measure of Wexford than Kilkenny had of Limerick in that Kilkenny were praying for the long whistle while Tipp were comfortable in the final minutes in their semifinal. That form line suggests a Tipperary win but with Kilkenny and Cody there is nearly always a twist in the tail. Sunday? If Tipp can keep their half backs in place they will win. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1066 - 17/08/2019 12:09:01 2226736 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "One thing I'm getting sick of hearing is that kk have psychologically the upper hand on tipp in recent times. Kk have beaten tipp in the last 10 years on the occasions they probably had the better hurlers. Tipp couldve won in 2014 had the right man took that free. Since 2009 in all Ireland's it's kk 3, tipp 2 and 1 draw. Came quite close to being in tipps favour. In the 3 finals kk won , tipp were close in 2 and played poorly in the other one and lost by 4. In general I think Tipp play their best games in finals. Kk haven't beaten tipp in cship hurling since a replayed all Ireland 5/6 seasons ago so the media and the general public could do with give us some good decent analysis instead of spouting rubbish! Rant over !!" I don't know who you're listening to or reading but in the Irish Independent this morning, 7 of the 8 analysts predict Tipp only have to turn up to win. So whatever "psychological advantage" they think Kilkenny have, it certainly doesn't manifest itself in predicting a Kilkenny win. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 17/08/2019 12:30:09 2226740 Link
Replying To Killarney.87: "How bad that the media are saying so. Wen you throw in the 2013 qualifier and semi finals Kilkenny's recent record against us is very dominant. I think that lifts it up to 7 championship wins during the Cody era. What I am trying to figure out is who has the better bench. Kilkenny definitely have the more experienced bench. Tipp might need a bit of a lead going into the last 20 mins." I don't think the Kilkenny bench is particularly strong. Richie Leahy is a talented lad, he's one of those players who plays well coming off the bench but never plays well when he starts. He'll probably come on midfield if Browne and Buckley are struggling. On his day, Ger Aylward is a good corner forward, I think he's won an All Star if not mistaken, but he's a bit of a head-the-ball, don't know what you're going to get from him. He's named on the bench so hopefully he's chomping at the bit to come on because he can be dangerous, but he's been out of favour with Cody since the Leinster final and it's very difficult to get back into that man's good books again. I'm not hugely hopeful of the impact of the two Billys (Ryan and Sheahan) and Liam Blanchfield. The 3 of them came on against Limerick to offer fresh legs, but they had zero scoring threat. Ryan and Sheahan might improve but Blanchfield has had enough chances and he's never looked like a top intercounty standard forward. Big and awkward and a handful but his shooting is awful. Richie Hogan will probably be taken off after 45-50 minutes but I would honestly prefer to have Richie on the field in the last ten minutes than the 3 lads I've mentioned, especially if we need a goal. He's a little like DJ back in the day, even if he's quiet or not playing well, he could still conjure up one piece of magic out of nowhere. The other 3 could be playing til midnight and I don't think they'd score a goal. If Cody thinks that Hogan can't last 70 minutes (and it's obvious that's the case), I'd like to see him bring on Richie for the last ten minutes if we need him, a bit like what Tyrone did with Canavan that time (and it worked for them if I recall correctly). James Maher might feature at some point too. Decent hurler, not as naturally talented as Leahy in my opinion. Scored an important coming on against Limerick which might work in his favour. But then again, I don't know how any of the above mentioned have been going in training which is what Cody values first and foremost. Put it this way, I don't think there's anyone on that bench that would have Tipp fans quaking in their boots were they to come on. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 17/08/2019 14:07:37 2226757 Link
I was just reading an article about Noel McGrath and came across this stat: "the only occasion he started a championship tie and didn't score was the 2010 first round versus Cork". That is an unbelievable stat for someone in their tenth season. As I said here before he doesnt get the credit he deserves. In my biased opinion, I'd have player of the year between him and Brendan and Ronan Maher. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 17/08/2019 14:36:55 2226763 Link
Replying To ballydalane: "I don't think the Kilkenny bench is particularly strong. Richie Leahy is a talented lad, he's one of those players who plays well coming off the bench but never plays well when he starts. He'll probably come on midfield if Browne and Buckley are struggling. On his day, Ger Aylward is a good corner forward, I think he's won an All Star if not mistaken, but he's a bit of a head-the-ball, don't know what you're going to get from him. He's named on the bench so hopefully he's chomping at the bit to come on because he can be dangerous, but he's been out of favour with Cody since the Leinster final and it's very difficult to get back into that man's good books again. I'm not hugely hopeful of the impact of the two Billys (Ryan and Sheahan) and Liam Blanchfield. The 3 of them came on against Limerick to offer fresh legs, but they had zero scoring threat. Ryan and Sheahan might improve but Blanchfield has had enough chances and he's never looked like a top intercounty standard forward. Big and awkward and a handful but his shooting is awful. Richie Hogan will probably be taken off after 45-50 minutes but I would honestly prefer to have Richie on the field in the last ten minutes than the 3 lads I've mentioned, especially if we need a goal. He's a little like DJ back in the day, even if he's quiet or not playing well, he could still conjure up one piece of magic out of nowhere. The other 3 could be playing til midnight and I don't think they'd score a goal. If Cody thinks that Hogan can't last 70 minutes (and it's obvious that's the case), I'd like to see him bring on Richie for the last ten minutes if we need him, a bit like what Tyrone did with Canavan that time (and it worked for them if I recall correctly). James Maher might feature at some point too. Decent hurler, not as naturally talented as Leahy in my opinion. Scored an important coming on against Limerick which might work in his favour. But then again, I don't know how any of the above mentioned have been going in training which is what Cody values first and foremost. Put it this way, I don't think there's anyone on that bench that would have Tipp fans quaking in their boots were they to come on." Maybe not, but I'd be wary of any Kilkenny player coming on tomorrow, they mightnt be household names but you know they'll die trying. Aylward has to be the luckiest player of Brian Cody's reign, the guy got thrown an absolute lifeline. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1917 - 17/08/2019 15:04:43 2226770 Link
Even for those of us raised far from the real hurling strongholds, we know, deep down, that the small ball is the better game, by a blue mile. Good luck to one and all tomorrow. I have no preference about who wins. I just hope ye all play well. Never die wondering! plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 17/08/2019 17:22:15 2226790 Link
Replying To MadgeKing: "What are the chances of getting a ticket at the ground tomorrow? Never been to a hurling final and this looks like a good one for the neutrals. If it was sold out i wouldnt like to deny a hurling fan their space. Tipp to win by 5+ says the Cavan expert" go up to gills corner you will have a ticket in about 5 minutes perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 17/08/2019 21:37:43 2226852 Link
Replying To Bon: "Maybe not, but I'd be wary of any Kilkenny player coming on tomorrow, they mightnt be household names but you know they'll die trying. Aylward has to be the luckiest player of Brian Cody's reign, the guy got thrown an absolute lifeline." In fairness to Aylward he had a bad injury after his breakthrough season. James Maher has been very unlucky with injury too. Leahy is a strong impact sub. The Kilkenny subs did very well against Limerick. Our young lads played well against Wexford when they came on too. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 18/08/2019 02:06:18 2226897 Link
A traditional Final it is then today.Kilkenny v Tipperary -the romance and history of it.In 1937,they played in the All-Ireland Final in Killarney.Tipp by 17 points.By the Final between them of 1967,Kilkenny hadn't beaten Tipperary in the championship since the All-Ireland Final of 1922 played in 1923. Kilkenny trailed by 6 points at half tine in 1967 but won by 4.A great display in goal by Ollie Walsh-a huge victory for the Noresiders.They were back in the Final against each other in 1971 and shared 10 goals but usual service resumed with a 3 point Tipp win and Babs in his bare feet.Kilkenny and Tipperary would only meet once in an All-Ireland Final in the next 38 years(1991-Tipp by 4 ).This is the 7th Final between them since 2009 including a Draw.All great matches with the possible exception of 2011 when Tipp did something they rarely do-play poorly in a Final yet only lost by 4.The best was the Final of 2009 when a young Tipp team managed by one Liam Sheedy played out of their skins against a Kilkenny team chasing 4 in a row only to be undone late on by a sending off and a penalty and it was Kilkenny's day and title at least for another 12 months.Oh for 3.30 today.The black and Amber and the blue and gold.I'm a neutral Roscommon man and I just can't wait.Best of luck to both of these counties today. endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2183 - 18/08/2019 08:47:50 2226911 Link
Tipp 2-22 kk 2-20 Michael breen motm with 5 points from play. John Donnelly early goal. shoulders (Kilkenny) - Posts: 23 - 18/08/2019 09:37:20 2226917 Link
Hugely disappointing for young Mullen if he is going to miss the final through illness. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 18/08/2019 11:00:46 2226933 Link
Looking forward to a great final today. Safe travelling to all on the road. Hoping for KK victory but think Tipp will be too strong. avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 18/08/2019 11:05:01 2226934 Link